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Nov 15, 2014 04:34:31   #
Coupdecu
 
Supreme Court gives Obamacare opponents second bite at apple
By Michael Dorstewitz on November 8, 2014



In what Richard Wolf, writing for USA Today, described as “a setback for the [Obama] administration and proponents of Obamacare,” the U.S. Supreme Court agreed Friday to hear what looks to be a significant challenge to the Affordable Care Act.

The first bite of the apple proved to be a bitter one for conservatives when, in June of 2012, Chief Justice John Roberts cast the deciding vote in a 5-4 decision to uphold the law’s individual mandate–the heart of Obamacare.

The current controversy centers on whether low and mid-income residents of those states that have not set up health care insurance exchanges are entitled to receive premium subsidies. A clear reading of the act indicates they may not. The IRS attempted to remedy the situation with a rule change rather than going through Congress to change the law itself.

Given that almost three-fourths of the states–36 in all–have opted not to set up their own exchanges and rely instead on the federal exchange at healthcare.gov, a ruling against the administration would be devastating.

USA Today reported:


Any ultimate ruling against the system of subsidies would blow a major hole in the law. Those subsidies make the private health insurance policies offered on the exchanges affordable to most Americans without employer-sponsored insurance plans.

If the subsidies are invalidated in 36 states, then many of the tax penalties imposed on employers and individuals for non-compliance with the law also would be eliminated. Employers pay a penalty when their workers get subsidized on the exchange. Individuals get penalized if they don’t buy affordable insurance, but the subsidies often are what make it affordable.

The Affordable Care Act provides that subsidies will be offered in exchanges “established by the state” — not the federal government.

White House press secretary Josh Earnest claimed that a “common sense” reading of the act would indicate that persons in every state would be entitled to subsidies.

“This will work its way through the legal process,” Earnest said at Friday’s press briefing. “We continue to have high confidence in the legal argument, as a legal matter but also from a common-sense perspective.”

But the law and common sense aren’t always on speaking terms. The true test is what did those drafting the legislation intend the law to provide.

When this first became an issue in July, Jonathan Gruber, one of the act’s senior architects, told MSNBC “Hardball” host Chris Matthews that the language was a mere “typo,” according to an earlier Liberty Unyielding article.


Chris, it is unambiguous this is a typo. Literally every single person involved in the crafting of this law has said that it`s a typo, that they had no intention of excluding the federal states. And why would they? Look, the law says that people are only subject to the mandate if they can afford insurance, if it`s less than 8 percent of their income. If you get rid of these subsidies, 99 percent of the people who would get subsidies can no longer afford insurance, so you destroy the mandate. Why would Congress set up the mandate and go through all that political battle to allow it to be destroyed? It`s just simply a typo, and it`s really criminal that this has even made it as far as it has.

However, almost three years earlier, Gruber claimed the language restricting subsidies was intentional. He said it was included to get states that hadn’t yet set up exchanges to toe the line.

“What’s important to remember politically about this is if you’re a state and you don’t set up an exchange, that means your citizens don’t get their tax credits” he told a gathering at Noblis Network, a nonprofit research corporation headquartered in Falls Church, Va. “But your citizens still pay the taxes that support this bill. So you’re essentially saying to your citizens you’re going to pay all the taxes to help all the other states in the country.”

Case Western Reserve University law professor Jonathan Adler, who helped conceive of the challenge, said it’s really a matter of Congress saying what it means, and meaning what it says.

“The law is what Congress enacts, not what the administration or others wish Congress had enacted with the benefit of hindsight,” he said, according to USA Today.

Texas Governor Rick Perry recently referred to America as the land of second chances. The Supreme Court just gave Obamacare opponents theirs.

Tags: Affordable Care Act, Chief Justice John Roberts, featured, federal exchange, Governor Rick Perry, IRS, Jonathan Adler, Jonathan Gruber, Josh Earnest, Noblis Network, Obamacare, subsidies, Supreme Court

Read more at http://libertyunyielding.com/2014/11/08/supreme-court-gives-obamacare-opponents-second-bite-apple/#zf6QF6j4cfdr3pgK.99

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Nov 15, 2014 04:55:53   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
I am pushing my congressman to HANG Obama....

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Nov 15, 2014 06:54:37   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
America Only wrote:
I am pushing my congressman to HANG Obama....


OMG~I did have coffee in my moth until~~~You crack me up sometimes America Only......

Coup--excellent article..Roberts has an opportunity to save his legacy of History to be written later, yet, this is so now en-grained in the country they will not do so...Should, no doubt, but I'm less optimistic about them doing so..It is not a TAX issue period...

Think of the three whom have come out fessing up to the intended acts for passage because "the people are stupid," comments we've read in here...

The people aren't stupid..We were not given an opportunity to vote/rule on this...The STUPID is the SCOTUS and specifically Roberts....

Hoping, and want to be wrong about this,I do....

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Nov 15, 2014 07:49:07   #
Molly2399 Loc: Ohio
 
lindajoy wrote:
OMG~I did have coffee in my moth until~~~You crack me up sometimes America Only......

Coup--excellent article..Roberts has an opportunity to save his legacy of History to be written later, yet, this is so now en-grained in the country they will not do so...Should, no doubt, but I'm less optimistic about them doing so..It is not a TAX issue period...

Think of the three whom have come out fessing up to the intended acts for passage because "the people are stupid," comments we've read in here..

The people aren't stupid..We were not given an opportunity to vote/rule on this...The STUPID is the SCOTUS and specifically Roberts....

Hoping, and want to be wrong about this,I do....
OMG~I did have coffee in my moth until~~~You crack... (show quote)


I wonder why Roberts voted for this as a tax. Who got to him and why?
The Supreme court is to follow the constitution and I have my doubts Roberts will, although most of the American voters were against Obamacare and were not stupid. Not one Republican voted for this.

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Nov 15, 2014 08:19:01   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Molly2399 wrote:
I wonder why Roberts voted for this as a tax. Who got to him and why?
The Supreme court is to follow the constitution and I have my doubts Roberts will, although most of the American voters were against Obamacare and were not stupid. Not one Republican voted for this.


:thumbup: :thumbup:

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Nov 15, 2014 09:01:15   #
Reconreb. Loc: fla.- Immokolee, now Ingis
 
Molly2399 wrote:
I wonder why Roberts voted for this as a tax. Who got to him and why?
The Supreme court is to follow the constitution and I have my doubts Roberts will, although most of the American voters were against Obamacare and were not stupid. Not one Republican voted for this.


Very true, I'll not hold my breath in regard to Roberts but if the court dose not rule correctly(aginst ACA) it will ignite an american outrage and hopefully overthrow of the powers that be, with GODS help we can overcome this scar on our history,pray and pass the ammo :thumbup:

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Nov 15, 2014 10:09:19   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
lindajoy wrote:
OMG~I did have coffee in my moth until~~~You crack me up sometimes America Only......

Coup--excellent article..Roberts has an opportunity to save his legacy of History to be written later, yet, this is so now en-grained in the country they will not do so...Should, no doubt, but I'm less optimistic about them doing so..It is not a TAX issue period...

Think of the three whom have come out fessing up to the intended acts for passage because "the people are stupid," comments we've read in here...

The people aren't stupid..We were not given an opportunity to vote/rule on this...The STUPID is the SCOTUS and specifically Roberts....

Hoping, and want to be wrong about this,I do....
OMG~I did have coffee in my moth until~~~You crack... (show quote)


Well hell...I had to simply tell the truth....I do push on my congressman to have obama hanged...and I even insist it that does happen that I will be allowed to provide the rope.

FOR JUST YOU OBAMA...Do you hear me now? I can provide the rope for free....tell me what size neck do you have, so I can custom tailor the knot just for you? Hell, I will even make sure the rope is a designer rope and knot you know something from Versace....just....for....you....MAGGOT!

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Nov 15, 2014 15:49:10   #
Coupdecu
 
America Only wrote:
Well hell...I had to simply tell the truth....I do push on my congressman to have obama hanged...and I even insist it that does happen that I will be allowed to provide the rope.

FOR JUST YOU OBAMA...Do you hear me now? I can provide the rope for free....tell me what size neck do you have, so I can custom tailor the knot just for you? Hell, I will even make sure the rope is a designer rope and knot you know something from Versace....just....for....you....MAGGOT!


Won't take much of a rope with that pencil neck bastard Obambam!!!!!!

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Nov 16, 2014 14:10:36   #
clarkwv Loc: west virginia
 
Coupdecu wrote:
Supreme Court gives Obamacare opponents second bite at apple
By Michael Dorstewitz on November 8, 2014



In what Richard Wolf, writing for USA Today, described as “a setback for the [Obama] administration and proponents of Obamacare,” the U.S. Supreme Court agreed Friday to hear what looks to be a significant challenge to the Affordable Care Act.

The first bite of the apple proved to be a bitter one for conservatives when, in June of 2012, Chief Justice John Roberts cast the deciding vote in a 5-4 decision to uphold the law’s individual mandate–the heart of Obamacare.

The current controversy centers on whether low and mid-income residents of those states that have not set up health care insurance exchanges are entitled to receive premium subsidies. A clear reading of the act indicates they may not. The IRS attempted to remedy the situation with a rule change rather than going through Congress to change the law itself.

Given that almost three-fourths of the states–36 in all–have opted not to set up their own exchanges and rely instead on the federal exchange at healthcare.gov, a ruling against the administration would be devastating.

USA Today reported:


Any ultimate ruling against the system of subsidies would blow a major hole in the law. Those subsidies make the private health insurance policies offered on the exchanges affordable to most Americans without employer-sponsored insurance plans.

If the subsidies are invalidated in 36 states, then many of the tax penalties imposed on employers and individuals for non-compliance with the law also would be eliminated. Employers pay a penalty when their workers get subsidized on the exchange. Individuals get penalized if they don’t buy affordable insurance, but the subsidies often are what make it affordable.

The Affordable Care Act provides that subsidies will be offered in exchanges “established by the state” — not the federal government.

White House press secretary Josh Earnest claimed that a “common sense” reading of the act would indicate that persons in every state would be entitled to subsidies.

“This will work its way through the legal process,” Earnest said at Friday’s press briefing. “We continue to have high confidence in the legal argument, as a legal matter but also from a common-sense perspective.”

But the law and common sense aren’t always on speaking terms. The true test is what did those drafting the legislation intend the law to provide.

When this first became an issue in July, Jonathan Gruber, one of the act’s senior architects, told MSNBC “Hardball” host Chris Matthews that the language was a mere “typo,” according to an earlier Liberty Unyielding article.


Chris, it is unambiguous this is a typo. Literally every single person involved in the crafting of this law has said that it`s a typo, that they had no intention of excluding the federal states. And why would they? Look, the law says that people are only subject to the mandate if they can afford insurance, if it`s less than 8 percent of their income. If you get rid of these subsidies, 99 percent of the people who would get subsidies can no longer afford insurance, so you destroy the mandate. Why would Congress set up the mandate and go through all that political battle to allow it to be destroyed? It`s just simply a typo, and it`s really criminal that this has even made it as far as it has.

However, almost three years earlier, Gruber claimed the language restricting subsidies was intentional. He said it was included to get states that hadn’t yet set up exchanges to toe the line.

“What’s important to remember politically about this is if you’re a state and you don’t set up an exchange, that means your citizens don’t get their tax credits” he told a gathering at Noblis Network, a nonprofit research corporation headquartered in Falls Church, Va. “But your citizens still pay the taxes that support this bill. So you’re essentially saying to your citizens you’re going to pay all the taxes to help all the other states in the country.”

Case Western Reserve University law professor Jonathan Adler, who helped conceive of the challenge, said it’s really a matter of Congress saying what it means, and meaning what it says.

“The law is what Congress enacts, not what the administration or others wish Congress had enacted with the benefit of hindsight,” he said, according to USA Today.

Texas Governor Rick Perry recently referred to America as the land of second chances. The Supreme Court just gave Obamacare opponents theirs.

Tags: Affordable Care Act, Chief Justice John Roberts, featured, federal exchange, Governor Rick Perry, IRS, Jonathan Adler, Jonathan Gruber, Josh Earnest, Noblis Network, Obamacare, subsidies, Supreme Court

Read more at http://libertyunyielding.com/2014/11/08/supreme-court-gives-obamacare-opponents-second-bite-apple/#zf6QF6j4cfdr3pgK.99
Supreme Court gives Obamacare opponents second bit... (show quote)


I do not want to see Obamacare go away as I have a grandson who is alive today because of Obamacare. Also, for the first time my health insurance went down, no by much, but it did go down. I do not see where it is wrong for more people have healthcare is wrong, are we not out brothers keeper?

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Nov 16, 2014 14:14:02   #
KHH1
 
clarkwv wrote:
I do not want to see Obamacare go away as I have a grandson who is alive today because of Obamacare. Also, for the first time my health insurance went down, no by much, but it did go down. I do not see where it is wrong for more people have healthcare is wrong, are we not out brothers keeper?


**That is great to hear about your grandson......not only because Obamacare assisted him.....the fact that he has another chance at life...**

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Nov 16, 2014 14:21:52   #
Molly2399 Loc: Ohio
 
YES! We are our brothers keepers but not at the expense of others. Obama care should be reformed where it would be fair to all, not where it is now. One size does not fit all.

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Nov 16, 2014 14:29:32   #
UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA
 
For those invested in publically traded healthcare (insurance companies and hospitals) they will be pushing congress to keep obamacare.

http://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/5-negative-financial-effects-of-the-supreme-court-s-decision-to-hear-subsidy-challenge.html

Coupdecu wrote:
Supreme Court gives Obamacare opponents second bite at apple
By Michael Dorstewitz on November 8, 2014

In what Richard Wolf, writing for USA Today, described as “a setback for the [Obama] administration and proponents of Obamacare,” the U.S. Supreme Court agreed Friday to hear what looks to be a significant challenge to the Affordable Care Act.
....
“The law is what Congress enacts, not what the administration or others wish Congress had enacted with the benefit of hindsight,” he said, according to USA Today.

Texas Governor Rick Perry recently referred to America as the land of second chances. The Supreme Court just gave Obamacare opponents theirs.

Tags: Affordable Care Act, Chief Justice John Roberts, featured, federal exchange, Governor Rick Perry, IRS, Jonathan Adler, Jonathan Gruber, Josh Earnest, Noblis Network, Obamacare, subsidies, Supreme Court

Read more at http://libertyunyielding.com/2014/11/08/supreme-court-gives-obamacare-opponents-second-bite-apple/#zf6QF6j4cfdr3pgK.99
Supreme Court gives Obamacare opponents second bit... (show quote)

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Nov 16, 2014 19:15:59   #
Coupdecu
 
clarkwv wrote:
I do not want to see Obamacare go away as I have a grandson who is alive today because of Obamacare. Also, for the first time my health insurance went down, no by much, but it did go down. I do not see where it is wrong for more people have healthcare is wrong, are we not out brothers keeper?


only because you are using money form someone else that now cant afford health insurance!!!!!!!

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Nov 16, 2014 21:22:29   #
clarkwv Loc: west virginia
 
Coupdecu wrote:
only because you are using money form someone else that now cant afford health insurance!!!!!!!


As I belong to a Medicare Advantage plan, I do realize tax payers help pay for my health insurance without which I would be dead. Thanks for your loving heart!

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Nov 16, 2014 21:34:01   #
Coupdecu
 
clarkwv wrote:
As I belong to a Medicare Advantage plan, I do realize tax payers help pay for my health insurance without which I would be dead. Thanks for your loving heart!

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