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Can it be a hate crime if the shooter in non binary ?
Nov 23, 2022 12:04:11   #
son of witless
 
The alleged Q Club shooter is alleged non binary. If that is true how can it be a hate crime ? Like if a Black kills a Black, it cannot be a hate crime, right ? ?

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3747726-alleged-club-q-shooter-is-nonbinary-defense-says/

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Nov 23, 2022 12:42:50   #
liberalhunter
 
son of witless wrote:
The alleged Q Club shooter is alleged non binary. If that is true how can it be a hate crime ? Like if a Black kills a Black, it cannot be a hate crime, right ? ?

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3747726-alleged-club-q-shooter-is-nonbinary-defense-says/




I would agree with that, but I'm not trying to fill a narrative either.
Maybe it's just that 10cents of common sense I bought in the 90s that leads me to that very conclusion.

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Nov 23, 2022 21:31:29   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
son of witless wrote:
The alleged Q Club shooter is alleged non binary. If that is true how can it be a hate crime ? Like if a Black kills a Black, it cannot be a hate crime, right ? ?

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3747726-alleged-club-q-shooter-is-nonbinary-defense-says/


The crime was hateful.--One would have to be filled with hate to murder 5 people and injure 18 others in an unprovoked mass shooting. If you are unsure of calling it a hate crime could it at least be agreed upon that this was an act of terrorism .

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Nov 24, 2022 09:02:56   #
Ricktloml
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
The crime was hateful.--One would have to be filled with hate to murder 5 people and injure 18 others in an unprovoked mass shooting. If you are unsure of calling it a hate crime could it at least be agreed upon that this was an act of terrorism .


One could say any murder falls into the category of hateful. Wouldn't one have to be filled with hate, (at least for the target,) in order to be able to intentionally take the life of another. Assuming motives is always tricky.

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Nov 24, 2022 12:35:02   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Ricktloml wrote:
One could say any murder falls into the category of hateful. Wouldn't one have to be filled with hate, (at least for the target,) in order to be able to intentionally take the life of another. Assuming motives is always tricky.


This time the shooter is alive and maybe through questioning there will be an answer . Why?

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Nov 24, 2022 20:34:52   #
Ricktloml
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
This time the shooter is alive and maybe through questioning there will be an answer . Why?





Why? It, as I said, is always tricky assigning motives. Even if this sorry excuse for a human being claimed he had reasons, and told law enforcement/judicial system what they are...can we just assume he's telling the truth. If you're willing to murder people in heinous/cold blood...lying probably wouldn't be much of a stretch. This creep's actions say enough for him to pay a hopefully very heavy price for this atrocity...no matter what his motive/how he would like to justify it. There is no acceptable motivation/justification for this kind of action. But I also think that these mass murders are so vile/horrifying...that decent people can't help but ask ...why? I'm just not sure we can believe the answer we get from the perpetrator.

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Nov 25, 2022 00:12:18   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Why? It, as I said, is always tricky assigning motives. Even if this sorry excuse for a human being claimed he had reasons, and told law enforcement/judicial system what they are...can we just assume he's telling the truth. If you're willing to murder people in heinous/cold blood...lying probably wouldn't be much of a stretch. This creep's actions say enough for him to pay a hopefully very heavy price for this atrocity...no matter what his motive/how he would like to justify it. There is no acceptable motivation/justification for this kind of action. But I also think that these mass murders are so vile/horrifying...that decent people can't help but ask ...why? I'm just not sure we can believe the answer we get from the perpetrator.
Why? It, as I said, is always tricky assigning mot... (show quote)


I hear ya. No matter what there is never going to be a happy ending.

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Nov 25, 2022 15:53:23   #
son of witless
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
The crime was hateful.--One would have to be filled with hate to murder 5 people and injure 18 others in an unprovoked mass shooting. If you are unsure of calling it a hate crime could it at least be agreed upon that this was an act of terrorism .


Exactly. Any act of violence is a hate crime, except if you are a liberal snowflake.

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