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Nov 22, 2022 13:04:56   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
whitnebrat wrote:
Why is it wrong to teach about s***ery in our schools? It has existed since 1619 in America (proven fact). It wasn't called that back then, but "indentured servitude" was a definite thing in New England until the Civil War. In the South, of course, s***ery was a way of life until the Emancipation Proclamation of Lincoln in 1863. After the "War of Northern Aggression", s***ery existed for another century in an economic sense until the Civil Rights Act of 1964. What's wrong with teaching this to our kids as factual history?

Economic s***ery exists to this day for minorities. Why can't we admit that and teach it to a younger generation?

S******c R****m (commonly called Critical Race Theory or CRT) is a fact of life. It exists, and even the most diehard conservative knows this, even if they won't admit it. I wonder what they will say when admission quotas are lifted at Harvard and other colleges and their student body will become over 50% Asian-American. What will be the story then? Why are there so few minorities on the Boards of Directors of major corporations (this includes women, by the way.)

The basis for all this is, of course, white male evangelical supremacy in all its glory … whether explicit or implied. The country was founded with that concept in mind, and it has perpetuated in various forms to this day. When that supremacy is challenged by the rise of minority rights or populations, it comes to the fore and becomes dogma for all kinds of suppression to those segments of society that oppose it. Witness v****g suppression in Republican-held states and challenges to minority v****g in national e******ns. This is a classic case of s******c r****m, i.e. maintaining that supremacy at all costs. To say that it is to insure the accuracy of the v**e and prevent fraud is an insult to the intelligence of any patriotic American. The e******n of 2020 was one of the fairest and most accurate e******ns in our history with virtually no fraud being detected despite numerous recounts and audits. The gutting of the V****g Rights Act of 1965 by the Supreme Court open the way for this particular try at suppression to happen.

These attempts at supremacy have failed every time they has emerged in this country. They will fail again, only to repeat a few decades from now. This cycle has only been temporarily broken when minorities and women were given the right to v**e, and v**er suppression is the latest attempt to maintain that superiority that is so endemic in our society.

The only way to keep from repeating the mistakes of the past is to learn from history. Sweeping large parts of our history under the rug because the older generation feels uncomfortable for their part in perpetuating those mistakes is not a reason for burdening the next generation with ignorance of them, thus dooming them to repeating those mistakes.
Why is it wrong to teach about s***ery in our scho... (show quote)


Cl yourself whiner!! Crt does not exist just lazy people looking for handouts!

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Nov 22, 2022 13:06:16   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
Cl yourself whiner!! Crt does not exist just lazy people looking for handouts!


Teach t***h then b****s sold b****s and b****s (Barbary pirates) t***sported them! First one to own one was black! That’s history teach that! T***h

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Nov 22, 2022 13:06:55   #
F.D.R.
 
whitnebrat wrote:
Why is it wrong to teach about s***ery in our schools? It has existed since 1619 in America (proven fact). It wasn't called that back then, but "indentured servitude" was a definite thing in New England until the Civil War. In the South, of course, s***ery was a way of life until the Emancipation Proclamation of Lincoln in 1863. After the "War of Northern Aggression", s***ery existed for another century in an economic sense until the Civil Rights Act of 1964. What's wrong with teaching this to our kids as factual history?

Economic s***ery exists to this day for minorities. Why can't we admit that and teach it to a younger generation?

S******c R****m (commonly called Critical Race Theory or CRT) is a fact of life. It exists, and even the most diehard conservative knows this, even if they won't admit it. I wonder what they will say when admission quotas are lifted at Harvard and other colleges and their student body will become over 50% Asian-American. What will be the story then? Why are there so few minorities on the Boards of Directors of major corporations (this includes women, by the way.)

The basis for all this is, of course, white male evangelical supremacy in all its glory … whether explicit or implied. The country was founded with that concept in mind, and it has perpetuated in various forms to this day. When that supremacy is challenged by the rise of minority rights or populations, it comes to the fore and becomes dogma for all kinds of suppression to those segments of society that oppose it. Witness v****g suppression in Republican-held states and challenges to minority v****g in national e******ns. This is a classic case of s******c r****m, i.e. maintaining that supremacy at all costs. To say that it is to insure the accuracy of the v**e and prevent fraud is an insult to the intelligence of any patriotic American. The e******n of 2020 was one of the fairest and most accurate e******ns in our history with virtually no fraud being detected despite numerous recounts and audits. The gutting of the V****g Rights Act of 1965 by the Supreme Court open the way for this particular try at suppression to happen.

These attempts at supremacy have failed every time they has emerged in this country. They will fail again, only to repeat a few decades from now. This cycle has only been temporarily broken when minorities and women were given the right to v**e, and v**er suppression is the latest attempt to maintain that superiority that is so endemic in our society.

The only way to keep from repeating the mistakes of the past is to learn from history. Sweeping large parts of our history under the rug because the older generation feels uncomfortable for their part in perpetuating those mistakes is not a reason for burdening the next generation with ignorance of them, thus dooming them to repeating those mistakes.
Why is it wrong to teach about s***ery in our scho... (show quote)


Don't know what school you went to but I learned about s***ery in American History in grade school and again in high school. What was missing from those classes was the fact the it wouldn't have been so prevalent if the African tribal chiefs weren't so willing to sell off their people to the traders for trinkets. Much like today's black 'leaders' are willing to do.

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Nov 22, 2022 13:08:16   #
WEBCO
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
You are neglecting numerous historical facts in your pursuit of "historical fact." The first is that of about 11 million s***es t***sported from Africa to the Americas, only some 600,000 ended up in what became the United States. Gee, I wonder what happened to the other 10.94 million? Does South America and the Caribbean ring a bell?
Secondly s***ery was a fact of life in those days, all over the world. The United States accounted for a very small portion of the s***es in the world. Somewhere around 1%. Almost every s***e t***sported to what became the US was already a s***e, ens***ed by other BLACK AFRICANS. Somehow your precious CRT forgets all about that part. Almost every s***e t***sported to what became the US arrived on a BRITISH s***e ship before we were even a country. The few American s***e ships were, with one exception, owned by Northeastern Industrialists who gave lip service to abolition even as they financed s***e gathering operations. The one exception was a Southern owned ship called the Clotilda, which made ONE run, t***sporting about 200 s***es. This was in 1860, in violation of US law.
The "Emancipation Proclamation" ignored the half million s***es who had the misfortune to live in one of the four s***e states who did not secede. These remained s***es until the ratification of the 13th Amendment more than two years later.
CRT also ignores the fact that Muslim s***ers, many of whom were black, conducted s***e raids on white settlements all over the Mediterranean and Western European coasts. At the time of the Civil War there were an estimated one and a half million w****s in s***ery in Africa and the Middle East.
S***ery has existed since the dawn of recorded history and probably before that. B****s ens***ed each other for a couple of thousand years before the first white man ever set foot in sub-Saharan Africa.
According to MSNBC, in the 1830 census there were 1,276 black s***e owners in the US. About half of them "owned" a couple of family members to protect them. The other half bought and sold other b****s just like their counterparts in Africa.
CRT tries to place the blame for everything on w****s. Black students get preferential treatment and still cannot compete with Asian or White students in many cases. Much of what is wrong with b****s today lies in the fact that some 75% of them are born to single mothers. It is a proven fact that children of any race who live in a single parent home do worse in school and are more prone to delinquency.
Black males age 15-30 are some 4% of the US population and commit more than half the murders and more than 70% of the violent crime. Morever, this percentage is even smaller when you consider that black males of this age group who live in small towns or rural areas are no more likely than anyone else to commit a crime. It is driven almost completely by urban black males between the ages of 15 and 30. Period. I have, at one time or another documented every statement I just made, with official US government statistics and publications. I am tired of doing so when leg humping liberals don't bother to read them.
Much of what is wrong with Black America today is self-inflicted. It will not change until there is an emphasis on discipline and education among younger b****s; until a two parent family replaces a street gang as a family. Much of what you Liberals term "w***e s*******y" or the ever popular raaaaaaciiiiiiiism is eng****red by black behavior, and is a perfectly understandable reaction to such.
You are neglecting numerous historical facts in yo... (show quote)


πŸ‘ πŸ‘ πŸ‘ πŸ‘
Some people are too ignorant to understand history πŸ™„

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Nov 22, 2022 13:14:22   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
I absolutely agree.

Conservatives want all legal citizens to be able to v**e, and for all legal b****ts to be counted and counted correctly.

You're also right about the dishonesty, i.e., c***ting that took place in the 2020 P**********l e******n. It was systematically stolen from President Trump.

I watched all the state legislatures in various states that managed to hold hearings for days, with eye witness testimony, videos, still photos, hours of factual testimony that the nation's courts refused to hear... in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, etc., etc., etc.

The fix was in.

WEBCO wrote:
The 2020 e******n was NOT fair...anybody saying otherwise is intellectually dishonest.

Your opinion that republicans want v**er suppression is also wrong. They want v**es to be secure, plain and simple.

If Harvard becomes 100% Asian American then so be it. I'm for meritocracy and against any kind of quotas.

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Nov 22, 2022 13:22:05   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
I too learned the factual, unvarnished, unrevised history of the U.S. in elementary and high school in the '50s and '60s when people still understood that there was not your t***h and my t***h, but only THE T***H.

F.D.R. wrote:
Don't know what school you went to but I learned about s***ery in American History in grade school and again in high school. What was missing from those classes was the fact the it wouldn't have been so prevalent if the African tribal chiefs weren't so willing to sell off their people to the traders for trinkets. Much like today's black 'leaders' are willing to do.

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Nov 22, 2022 13:25:04   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
WEBCO wrote:
πŸ‘ πŸ‘ πŸ‘ πŸ‘
Some people are too ignorant to understand history πŸ™„


Yes, and many others willfully and deliberately misinterpret it, because they've been brainwashed into believing they can write their own history.

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Nov 22, 2022 13:29:31   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Kevyn wrote:
The nation is not necessarily r****t but it has a rich r****t history that many r****ts desperately want to ignore and not account for its lasting legacy.


There was no lasting legacy. That ended a decade or two before Barack Hussein Obama took office. He spent eight years deliberately reviving it, with malice aforethought.

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Nov 22, 2022 13:34:23   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Thank you, Smedley.

You contribute more factual information in one post than others can manage to do with a year of cumulative posts.

Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
You are neglecting numerous historical facts in your pursuit of "historical fact." The first is that of about 11 million s***es t***sported from Africa to the Americas, only some 600,000 ended up in what became the United States. Gee, I wonder what happened to the other 10.94 million? Does South America and the Caribbean ring a bell?
Secondly s***ery was a fact of life in those days, all over the world. The United States accounted for a very small portion of the s***es in the world. Somewhere around 1%. Almost every s***e t***sported to what became the US was already a s***e, ens***ed by other BLACK AFRICANS. Somehow your precious CRT forgets all about that part. Almost every s***e t***sported to what became the US arrived on a BRITISH s***e ship before we were even a country. The few American s***e ships were, with one exception, owned by Northeastern Industrialists who gave lip service to abolition even as they financed s***e gathering operations. The one exception was a Southern owned ship called the Clotilda, which made ONE run, t***sporting about 200 s***es. This was in 1860, in violation of US law.
The "Emancipation Proclamation" ignored the half million s***es who had the misfortune to live in one of the four s***e states who did not secede. These remained s***es until the ratification of the 13th Amendment more than two years later.
CRT also ignores the fact that Muslim s***ers, many of whom were black, conducted s***e raids on white settlements all over the Mediterranean and Western European coasts. At the time of the Civil War there were an estimated one and a half million w****s in s***ery in Africa and the Middle East.
S***ery has existed since the dawn of recorded history and probably before that. B****s ens***ed each other for a couple of thousand years before the first white man ever set foot in sub-Saharan Africa.
According to MSNBC, in the 1830 census there were 1,276 black s***e owners in the US. About half of them "owned" a couple of family members to protect them. The other half bought and sold other b****s just like their counterparts in Africa.
CRT tries to place the blame for everything on w****s. Black students get preferential treatment and still cannot compete with Asian or White students in many cases. Much of what is wrong with b****s today lies in the fact that some 75% of them are born to single mothers. It is a proven fact that children of any race who live in a single parent home do worse in school and are more prone to delinquency.
Black males age 15-30 are some 4% of the US population and commit more than half the murders and more than 70% of the violent crime. Morever, this percentage is even smaller when you consider that black males of this age group who live in small towns or rural areas are no more likely than anyone else to commit a crime. It is driven almost completely by urban black males between the ages of 15 and 30. Period. I have, at one time or another documented every statement I just made, with official US government statistics and publications. I am tired of doing so when leg humping liberals don't bother to read them.
Much of what is wrong with Black America today is self-inflicted. It will not change until there is an emphasis on discipline and education among younger b****s; until a two parent family replaces a street gang as a family. Much of what you Liberals term "w***e s*******y" or the ever popular raaaaaaciiiiiiiism is eng****red by black behavior, and is a perfectly understandable reaction to such.
You are neglecting numerous historical facts in yo... (show quote)

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Nov 22, 2022 15:01:57   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
whitnebrat wrote:
Why is it wrong to teach about s***ery in our schools? It has existed since 1619 in America (proven fact). It wasn't called that back then, but "indentured servitude" was a definite thing in New England until the Civil War. In the South, of course, s***ery was a way of life until the Emancipation Proclamation of Lincoln in 1863. After the "War of Northern Aggression", s***ery existed for another century in an economic sense until the Civil Rights Act of 1964. What's wrong with teaching this to our kids as factual history?

Economic s***ery exists to this day for minorities. Why can't we admit that and teach it to a younger generation?

S******c R****m (commonly called Critical Race Theory or CRT) is a fact of life. It exists, and even the most diehard conservative knows this, even if they won't admit it. I wonder what they will say when admission quotas are lifted at Harvard and other colleges and their student body will become over 50% Asian-American. What will be the story then? Why are there so few minorities on the Boards of Directors of major corporations (this includes women, by the way.)

The basis for all this is, of course, white male evangelical supremacy in all its glory … whether explicit or implied. The country was founded with that concept in mind, and it has perpetuated in various forms to this day. When that supremacy is challenged by the rise of minority rights or populations, it comes to the fore and becomes dogma for all kinds of suppression to those segments of society that oppose it. Witness v****g suppression in Republican-held states and challenges to minority v****g in national e******ns. This is a classic case of s******c r****m, i.e. maintaining that supremacy at all costs. To say that it is to insure the accuracy of the v**e and prevent fraud is an insult to the intelligence of any patriotic American. The e******n of 2020 was one of the fairest and most accurate e******ns in our history with virtually no fraud being detected despite numerous recounts and audits. The gutting of the V****g Rights Act of 1965 by the Supreme Court open the way for this particular try at suppression to happen.

These attempts at supremacy have failed every time they has emerged in this country. They will fail again, only to repeat a few decades from now. This cycle has only been temporarily broken when minorities and women were given the right to v**e, and v**er suppression is the latest attempt to maintain that superiority that is so endemic in our society.

The only way to keep from repeating the mistakes of the past is to learn from history. Sweeping large parts of our history under the rug because the older generation feels uncomfortable for their part in perpetuating those mistakes is not a reason for burdening the next generation with ignorance of them, thus dooming them to repeating those mistakes.
Why is it wrong to teach about s***ery in our scho... (show quote)
The Detailed R****t History (And Present) Of The Democrat Party
The Democratic Party’s History of R****m
Whitewashing the Democratic Party’s History
Democrats & Jim Crow: A Century of R****t History the Democratic Party Prefers You’d Forget
The Dark History of the Democratic Party
The Secret R****t History of the Democratic Party
Democrats: The Party of S******c R****m
(book) The True And Detailed R****t History Of The Democrat Party: 1830-2020

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Nov 22, 2022 15:02:52   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
You are neglecting numerous historical facts in your pursuit of "historical fact." The first is that of about 11 million s***es t***sported from Africa to the Americas, only some 600,000 ended up in what became the United States. Gee, I wonder what happened to the other 10.94 million? Does South America and the Caribbean ring a bell?
Secondly s***ery was a fact of life in those days, all over the world. The United States accounted for a very small portion of the s***es in the world. Somewhere around 1%. Almost every s***e t***sported to what became the US was already a s***e, ens***ed by other BLACK AFRICANS. Somehow your precious CRT forgets all about that part. Almost every s***e t***sported to what became the US arrived on a BRITISH s***e ship before we were even a country. The few American s***e ships were, with one exception, owned by Northeastern Industrialists who gave lip service to abolition even as they financed s***e gathering operations. The one exception was a Southern owned ship called the Clotilda, which made ONE run, t***sporting about 200 s***es. This was in 1860, in violation of US law.
The "Emancipation Proclamation" ignored the half million s***es who had the misfortune to live in one of the four s***e states who did not secede. These remained s***es until the ratification of the 13th Amendment more than two years later.
CRT also ignores the fact that Muslim s***ers, many of whom were black, conducted s***e raids on white settlements all over the Mediterranean and Western European coasts. At the time of the Civil War there were an estimated one and a half million w****s in s***ery in Africa and the Middle East.
S***ery has existed since the dawn of recorded history and probably before that. B****s ens***ed each other for a couple of thousand years before the first white man ever set foot in sub-Saharan Africa.
According to MSNBC, in the 1830 census there were 1,276 black s***e owners in the US. About half of them "owned" a couple of family members to protect them. The other half bought and sold other b****s just like their counterparts in Africa.
CRT tries to place the blame for everything on w****s. Black students get preferential treatment and still cannot compete with Asian or White students in many cases. Much of what is wrong with b****s today lies in the fact that some 75% of them are born to single mothers. It is a proven fact that children of any race who live in a single parent home do worse in school and are more prone to delinquency.
Black males age 15-30 are some 4% of the US population and commit more than half the murders and more than 70% of the violent crime. Morever, this percentage is even smaller when you consider that black males of this age group who live in small towns or rural areas are no more likely than anyone else to commit a crime. It is driven almost completely by urban black males between the ages of 15 and 30. Period. I have, at one time or another documented every statement I just made, with official US government statistics and publications. I am tired of doing so when leg humping liberals don't bother to read them.
Much of what is wrong with Black America today is self-inflicted. It will not change until there is an emphasis on discipline and education among younger b****s; until a two parent family replaces a street gang as a family. Much of what you Liberals term "w***e s*******y" or the ever popular raaaaaaciiiiiiiism is eng****red by black behavior, and is a perfectly understandable reaction to such.
You are neglecting numerous historical facts in yo... (show quote)


Correction: Misprint. The number of s***es NOT shipped to the US, but elsewhere in the Americas is 10.4, NOT 10.94.

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Nov 22, 2022 16:00:14   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:


Thanks for expanding the situation. I was trying to limit it to the American experience. I appreciate your adding to the discussion.

I would have to disagree with your description of CRT. While it emphasizes the dominance of white s***eowners, I don't believe that it intentionally demonizes w****s as being responsible for all the a*********ns of s***ery. My understanding is that it tries to emphasize the roots of the s******c r****m that we experience to this day for almost any minority community. As I pointed out, there is a dearth of minorities in the upper echelons of corporate America, and that isn't going away very soon.
You point out the disparities in the black population in education and economic progression. This, I believe, has more to do with purposely underfunded and understaffed schools in minority neighborhoods (part of the s******c r****m problem). Wealthy school districts (predominantly white) have always enjoyed better teachers and school buildings. In many instances, the minority schools have received the dregs of both maintenance, schoolbooks, and teachers. This, in turn, leads to significantly lower educational levels and dropout rates in minority neighborhoods, in turn lowering the ability of minorities to advance to better paying jobs. The tax base is therefore eroded in these districts, which affects school budgets, and the cycle perpetuates itself. The answer here is to equalize the educational opportunities for all public schools, and thereby increase the ability of these minority districts to increase their tax base. Unfortunately, when this has been tried in some districts, they experienced 'white flight' to private schools and adjacent districts (or to the suburbs) where the educational opportunities were better.
I hear the screams of 'socialism' and 'why should w****s have to pay for the education of minorities', and 'this is a redistribution of wealth'. I can't deny that it is indeed a levelling of the economic playing field, but overall it increases the economic status of the entire area if the average educational level is improved. More businesses, more manufacturing and more industry is the end result of improving the educational level of the entire area.

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Nov 22, 2022 16:03:45   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
Bevvy wrote:
To call a country r****t after electing a black man to the presidency and a black woman to v.p. is NOT being honest


There are exceptions to every rule, and those two are prime examples. More minorities are being elected to public office. That doesn't mean that the s******c r****m isn't there for the vast majority of minority citizens.

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Nov 22, 2022 16:07:50   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
WEBCO wrote:
The 2020 e******n was NOT fair...anybody saying otherwise is intellectually dishonest.

Your opinion that republicans want v**er suppression is also wrong. They want v**es to be secure, plain and simple.

If Harvard becomes 100% Asian American then so be it. I'm for meritocracy and against any kind of quotas.

Show me factual evidence that can be introduced in court, and I'll agree with you about v***r f***d. Sixty-plus cases were thrown out of court without a single factual shred of evidence of v***r f***d.

Your meritocracy argument might work for you, but I suspect that white, Hispanic and black applicants might not see it that way.

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Nov 22, 2022 16:10:21   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
American Vet wrote:
And many - if not most - r****ts are l*****ts.

Normal people, such as Conservatives, want history taught in a fair and unbiased manner.


Tell that to the Florida Educational people, who are censuring history as we speak by both distortion and omission of some subjects.

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