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First Automobiles, Now Furnaces: California Air Resources Board (CARB) Votes to Ban Natural Gas Heaters and Furnaces by 2030
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Sep 26, 2022 15:44:22   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Forty years ago, environmental alarmists were panicking over the ozone hole in the stratosphere and how to replenish it. Now the same people have declared ozone to be our mortal enemy, requiring the de-carbonization of the entire planet. At 70 degrees, the half-life of ozone is a mere 20 minutes.
Without natural gas in homes, all heating will instead rely on electricity. And it is already a demonstrated fact that windmills and solar panels will never produce enough energy to power everything, including EVs, with electricity.

Here is the typical condition of a major wind farm in southern California. Note the broken and frozen towers.

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Sep 26, 2022 15:55:20   #
Bevvy
 
A great place to build these wind farms would be an Island , such as Marthas Vineyard

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Sep 26, 2022 16:13:12   #
Peaver Bogart Loc: Montana
 
Bevvy wrote:
A great place to build these wind farms would be an Island , such as Marthas Vineyard


That's the best suggestion I've heard today.

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Sep 26, 2022 16:17:44   #
son of witless
 
Parky60 wrote:
Forty years ago, environmental alarmists were panicking over the ozone hole in the stratosphere and how to replenish it. Now the same people have declared ozone to be our mortal enemy, requiring the de-carbonization of the entire planet. At 70 degrees, the half-life of ozone is a mere 20 minutes.
Without natural gas in homes, all heating will instead rely on electricity. And it is already a demonstrated fact that windmills and solar panels will never produce enough energy to power everything, including EVs, with electricity.

Here is the typical condition of a major wind farm in southern California. Note the broken and frozen towers.
Forty years ago, environmental alarmists were pani... (show quote)


Think of what will happen in Commiefornia as these idiot laws come to be. In small towns they will go back to burning wood. Like in Europe. I'm not sure how they get by in the cities. People will find ways around their insane masters.

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Sep 26, 2022 16:56:36   #
billlingle
 
Parky60 wrote:
Forty years ago, environmental alarmists were panicking over the ozone hole in the stratosphere and how to replenish it. Now the same people have declared ozone to be our mortal enemy, requiring the de-carbonization of the entire planet. At 70 degrees, the half-life of ozone is a mere 20 minutes.
Without natural gas in homes, all heating will instead rely on electricity. And it is already a demonstrated fact that windmills and solar panels will never produce enough energy to power everything, including EVs, with electricity.

Here is the typical condition of a major wind farm in southern California. Note the broken and frozen towers.
Forty years ago, environmental alarmists were pani... (show quote)



Science is a developing field of knowledge. Believe it or not, there are very many things that we do not know. As we gain knowledge, opinions and programs change to fit the new situations. The right wing loves to say "see, they were wrong!". Holy shit! What a revelation! A scientific discovery proves that something that was believed has been proven to be inaccurate. Has that never happened before? Is it your theory that disease can be cured by bleeding a patient like it was done when the constitution was written and was, therefore, the only "right" way? Did the right wingers go crazy when it was shown to be detrimental and that the procedure was coming to an end?
Alternative energy sources are constantly being discovered, improved, and producing more and more of the electricity that the nation needs. The chances of a total elimination of fossil fuels is very close to zero. The ability of alternative energy sources contributing to those needs at an 80 to 85% level are in the very foreseeable future.
In the last 5 days I have driven from Marin county North of San Francisco to Las Vegas for a business meeting. From there I had to go to Palm Springs and then back to San Francisco. In the process I drove by dozens of wind farms and some of the most sophisticated solar facilities in the world. The wind farms were maintained and the blades turning. Your belief that wind farms are in a shamble are simply absurd.

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Sep 26, 2022 17:09:32   #
billlingle
 
Bevvy wrote:
A great place to build these wind farms would be an Island , such as Marthas Vineyard


You must feel like Nostradamus. Lo and behold the wind farms that have been approved off the coast of Massachusetts. It will be one of the largest in the world and should be able to take a huge load off of the power plants that have been supplying the Northeast with electricity for so many years. See how fast it's progressing. What you lamely put out as humor has already become a reality. You really need to stay in touch with reality and what's happening today.

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Sep 26, 2022 17:16:51   #
Rose42
 
billlingle wrote:
You must feel like Nostradamus. Lo and behold the wind farms that have been approved off the coast of Massachusetts. It will be one of the largest in the world and should be able to take a huge load off of the power plants that have been supplying the Northeast with electricity for so many years. See how fast it's progressing. What you lamely put out as humor has already become a reality. You really need to stay in touch with reality and what's happening today.


Despite your talk, the infrastructure simply isn’t there and it won’t be in 8 years.

Too many idiot bureaucrats in Cali.

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Sep 27, 2022 13:35:43   #
MidnightRider
 
Parky60 wrote:
Forty years ago, environmental alarmists were panicking over the ozone hole in the stratosphere and how to replenish it. Now the same people have declared ozone to be our mortal enemy, requiring the de-carbonization of the entire planet. At 70 degrees, the half-life of ozone is a mere 20 minutes.
Without natural gas in homes, all heating will instead rely on electricity. And it is already a demonstrated fact that windmills and solar panels will never produce enough energy to power everything, including EVs, with electricity.

Here is the typical condition of a major wind farm in southern California. Note the broken and frozen towers.
Forty years ago, environmental alarmists were pani... (show quote)


Don't understand it yet? Like Brandon is trying to destroy the country, Newsome is trying to destroy California.

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Sep 27, 2022 13:45:38   #
billlingle
 
son of witless wrote:
Think of what will happen in Commiefornia as these idiot laws come to be. In small towns they will go back to burning wood. Like in Europe. I'm not sure how they get by in the cities. People will find ways around their insane masters.



Have you ever been to California? There is a reason that it is the 5th largest economy in the world while the "paradise" where you hang out would have to quadruple to get an honorable mention with an asterisk. We are the largest economy in the country other than the country itself. We do things a bit differently than the rest of the country so why does it seem to work so much better than what is being done in so many of the more backward states? We certainly have our problems. With the largest population of any state in the country problems are a given. We just seem to handle them better and have a tendency to handle them ourselves. Where we go forward, the right wingers complain, use idiotic words like "communist" and try to recall our governor (ha, ha)
put up bills to try and split the state and any other maniacal hair brained thing they can come up with. What they don't ever come up with, though, are ideas, programs, propositions or anything else that is better for the people of the state than what is being done now. So you go right ahead and fantasize about California being a gulag while the people of California enjoy the most beautiful state in the union and the one where people care more for people than they do for worn, hackneyed, nonsensical "precepts" emanating from a right wing concept of religion and "the right thing".

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Sep 27, 2022 14:32:19   #
AlexT
 
California used to be the golden state, some time ago. It has been taken over by brainless politicians in Sack of Tomatoes and we now have the distinction of having some of the highest taxes, highest utility costs, highest gasoline prices, an upcoming ban of gas powered vehicles, some of the highest homeless problems, housing affordability. Sure, the scenery is quite beautiful but living conditions in the cities and the coastal areas are deteriorating and the inhabitants are departing to other localities with better conditions. At the rate the utility costs are going heating with firewood will also come back in the rural areas. The time may be here to say goodbye to Newscum and company.

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Sep 27, 2022 14:56:47   #
billlingle
 
You may recall the effort made by right wing lunatics to recall Governor Newsom. Newsom's win in 2018 was 61%. He beat the recall with 67%. See, Californians prefer to do things as THEY wish and really don't give a damn if some outsider doesn't like it. The right wing thought that they were going to pull the same crap that they pulled on Gray Davis. They know that they cannot win in a state wide open and free election. They rely on subterfuge due to being devoid of ideas, programs or policies. We all know the states where the right wingers have control and we also know that the bottom half of states in average income are all red states. Maine comes in at #35 and Michigan at #32. Other than those two states, the bottom for the right wing extends to #25. Since all you guys are so positive that Democrats are such a disaster, I'm sure that you can explain why those in states run by right wingers are living with less than those who have told the right wing to go home and shut up.

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Sep 27, 2022 14:59:41   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
Parky60 wrote:
Forty years ago, environmental alarmists were panicking over the ozone hole in the stratosphere and how to replenish it. Now the same people have declared ozone to be our mortal enemy, requiring the de-carbonization of the entire planet. At 70 degrees, the half-life of ozone is a mere 20 minutes.
Without natural gas in homes, all heating will instead rely on electricity. And it is already a demonstrated fact that windmills and solar panels will never produce enough energy to power everything, including EVs, with electricity.

Here is the typical condition of a major wind farm in southern California. Note the broken and frozen towers.
Forty years ago, environmental alarmists were pani... (show quote)


That ray bastard won’t be around in 2030

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Sep 27, 2022 15:00:36   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
son of witless wrote:
Think of what will happen in Commiefornia as these idiot laws come to be. In small towns they will go back to burning wood. Like in Europe. I'm not sure how they get by in the cities. People will find ways around their insane masters.


They banned burning wood last year I think

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Sep 27, 2022 15:01:29   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
billlingle wrote:
You must feel like Nostradamus. Lo and behold the wind farms that have been approved off the coast of Massachusetts. It will be one of the largest in the world and should be able to take a huge load off of the power plants that have been supplying the Northeast with electricity for so many years. See how fast it's progressing. What you lamely put out as humor has already become a reality. You really need to stay in touch with reality and what's happening today.


Like Texas?

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Sep 27, 2022 15:02:35   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
billlingle wrote:
Have you ever been to California? There is a reason that it is the 5th largest economy in the world while the "paradise" where you hang out would have to quadruple to get an honorable mention with an asterisk. We are the largest economy in the country other than the country itself. We do things a bit differently than the rest of the country so why does it seem to work so much better than what is being done in so many of the more backward states? We certainly have our problems. With the largest population of any state in the country problems are a given. We just seem to handle them better and have a tendency to handle them ourselves. Where we go forward, the right wingers complain, use idiotic words like "communist" and try to recall our governor (ha, ha)
put up bills to try and split the state and any other maniacal hair brained thing they can come up with. What they don't ever come up with, though, are ideas, programs, propositions or anything else that is better for the people of the state than what is being done now. So you go right ahead and fantasize about California being a gulag while the people of California enjoy the most beautiful state in the union and the one where people care more for people than they do for worn, hackneyed, nonsensical "precepts" emanating from a right wing concept of religion and "the right thing".
Have you ever been to California? There is a rea... (show quote)


I call bullshit! I was born in cally and it has gone to shit

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