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Nov 5, 2014 10:02:23   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
The GOP really cleaned up this mid term as expected and many people see this as a victory for America. What does it really mean? No one will know until next year, when the new Congress is sworn in and we see what happens. Speculation, at this point, is moot. I doubt the GOP itself has any clear idea of what it will do, as there's a big difference between a campaign - and what's done in Government. The consistent words coming from exit polls are that people are fed up, disgusted and mistrustful of BOTH main political parties and that includes the GOP - obviously.

A win does not equate to approval. A win, in this case, equates to a helpless attempt to do something, anything, to try and get some relief. This e******n was about v****g AGAINST - not FOR - but the GOP may misread that. The people have made it clear that they are not happy with the way things are and, not knowing what else to do, made a change - just like they always do. The GOP may choose to take these wins as delivering a mandate to them to pursue their agenda without regard to anything else. Should they choose to pay attention to the exit polls, they'd know that it isn't. Their wins are a plea for help, NOT an endorsement of the Republican party.

Unless a party should get 100% of the v**e, a win is not a victory, in the sense that no other people need be considered when making law. Yeah, a few more people v**ed for them than v**ed for the others, but - not everybody v**ed for them. This should not be a winner take all proposition. In every district, the GOP representative must represent EVERYONE, not just those of his or her party. No one should force THEIR views onto everybody, just because they won. Winning does not give permission to do that, but that's where our politics ceases to be about America - and all about party.

It remains to be seen as to how the 2015 Congress will behave. The GOP has a lot to live up to, after 4 years of politicking and the Democrats have a lot to live down. At the end of the day, it matters not at all what politicians and their parties SAY, especially during campaigns, it matters what they DO and we'll just have to wait and see. Many times in our history, a "victory" turned out to be an illusion. The people were unhappy and gave out a "victory", only to remain unhappy by the next e******ns - and we know what they'll do then.

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Nov 5, 2014 10:25:26   #
vernon
 
lpnmajor wrote:
The GOP really cleaned up this mid term as expected and many people see this as a victory for America. What does it really mean? No one will know until next year, when the new Congress is sworn in and we see what happens. Speculation, at this point, is moot. I doubt the GOP itself has any clear idea of what it will do, as there's a big difference between a campaign - and what's done in Government. The consistent words coming from exit polls are that people are fed up, disgusted and mistrustful of BOTH main political parties and that includes the GOP - obviously.

A win does not equate to approval. A win, in this case, equates to a helpless attempt to do something, anything, to try and get some relief. This e******n was about v****g AGAINST - not FOR - but the GOP may misread that. The people have made it clear that they are not happy with the way things are and, not knowing what else to do, made a change - just like they always do. The GOP may choose to take these wins as delivering a mandate to them to pursue their agenda without regard to anything else. Should they choose to pay attention to the exit polls, they'd know that it isn't. Their wins are a plea for help, NOT an endorsement of the Republican party.

Unless a party should get 100% of the v**e, a win is not a victory, in the sense that no other people need be considered when making law. Yeah, a few more people v**ed for them than v**ed for the others, but - not everybody v**ed for them. This should not be a winner take all proposition. In every district, the GOP representative must represent EVERYONE, not just those of his or her party. No one should force THEIR views onto everybody, just because they won. Winning does not give permission to do that, but that's where our politics ceases to be about America - and all about party.

It remains to be seen as to how the 2015 Congress will behave. The GOP has a lot to live up to, after 4 years of politicking and the Democrats have a lot to live down. At the end of the day, it matters not at all what politicians and their parties SAY, especially during campaigns, it matters what they DO and we'll just have to wait and see. Many times in our history, a "victory" turned out to be an illusion. The people were unhappy and gave out a "victory", only to remain unhappy by the next e******ns - and we know what they'll do then.
The GOP really cleaned up this mid term as expecte... (show quote)


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Nov 5, 2014 10:52:57   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
[/quote] At the end of the day, it matters not at all what politicians and their parties SAY, especially during campaigns, it matters what they DO and we'll just have to wait and see. Many times in our history, a "victory" turned out to be an illusion. The people were unhappy and gave out a "victory", only to remain unhappy by the next e******ns - and we know what they'll do then.[/quote]

Amen to that! All of these politicians need to realize that no one in their right mind trusts any of them. They must correct the current stupid policies, on i*****l a***ns, the economy, importation of potential plagues, and racial divisivness. There is a lack of recognition, in Washington, of who are our friends and who are our enemies, in other nations. It is also time to stop the lip service about Islam being a religion of peace. Moslems are peaceful only when they are outnumbered, when they become a majority they are totally intolerant, murderous thugs. Islam is not a religion, it is a political agenda

The Republicans now have an opportunity to start addressing these and other problems. They should be aware, that no one trusts them any more than Democrats, and that if they continue infighting and d******e politicking as usual, that all these issues will be ultimately be solved in the manner of the French Revolution. We need to erect a Guillotine near the Washington monument as a reminder of what will happen if they continue to play politics as usual.

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Nov 5, 2014 10:54:35   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
This is the new spin that Liberals are putting on last evening. I find it sad that they can not accept defeat with some grace. Pity that they can not shake the hand of the elected and extend an invitation to work with fresh new ideas instead of the broken promises and lies from the past years. Sad for the Liberals.... I hope that this starts a new age of cooperation and moving forward once again. Perhaps .... but, this may be too much to hope for after so many years of disappointment!

lpnmajor wrote:
The GOP really cleaned up this mid term as expected and many people see this as a victory for America. What does it really mean? No one will know until next year, when the new Congress is sworn in and we see what happens. Speculation, at this point, is moot. I doubt the GOP itself has any clear idea of what it will do, as there's a big difference between a campaign - and what's done in Government. The consistent words coming from exit polls are that people are fed up, disgusted and mistrustful of BOTH main political parties and that includes the GOP - obviously.

A win does not equate to approval. A win, in this case, equates to a helpless attempt to do something, anything, to try and get some relief. This e******n was about v****g AGAINST - not FOR - but the GOP may misread that. The people have made it clear that they are not happy with the way things are and, not knowing what else to do, made a change - just like they always do. The GOP may choose to take these wins as delivering a mandate to them to pursue their agenda without regard to anything else. Should they choose to pay attention to the exit polls, they'd know that it isn't. Their wins are a plea for help, NOT an endorsement of the Republican party.

Unless a party should get 100% of the v**e, a win is not a victory, in the sense that no other people need be considered when making law. Yeah, a few more people v**ed for them than v**ed for the others, but - not everybody v**ed for them. This should not be a winner take all proposition. In every district, the GOP representative must represent EVERYONE, not just those of his or her party. No one should force THEIR views onto everybody, just because they won. Winning does not give permission to do that, but that's where our politics ceases to be about America - and all about party.

It remains to be seen as to how the 2015 Congress will behave. The GOP has a lot to live up to, after 4 years of politicking and the Democrats have a lot to live down. At the end of the day, it matters not at all what politicians and their parties SAY, especially during campaigns, it matters what they DO and we'll just have to wait and see. Many times in our history, a "victory" turned out to be an illusion. The people were unhappy and gave out a "victory", only to remain unhappy by the next e******ns - and we know what they'll do then.
The GOP really cleaned up this mid term as expecte... (show quote)

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Nov 5, 2014 11:27:52   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
Watching the left attempt adjusting ought to be a good laugh. I think I might watch more CNN, MSNBC and the like. Listening to the spins should be amusing as hell. Break out the cool aid there will be a mighty thirst.

ginnyt wrote:
This is the new spin that Liberals are putting on last evening. I find it sad that they can not accept defeat with some grace. Pity that they can not shake the hand of the elected and extend an invitation to work with fresh new ideas instead of the broken promises and lies from the past years. Sad for the Liberals.... I hope that this starts a new age of cooperation and moving forward once again. Perhaps .... but, this may be too much to hope for after so many years of disappointment!

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Nov 5, 2014 11:39:47   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
missinglink wrote:
Watching the left attempt adjusting ought to be a good laugh. I think I might watch more CNN, MSNBC and the like. Listening to the spins should be amusing as hell. Break out the cool aid there will be a mighty thirst.


I am inclined to say in your face Obama, Reid and Pelosi but we should ask ourselves why do we h**e Reid so much?

Are we going to govern in the same way he has chosen over these last 6 years?

Or are we going to give them a voice and in return get some of them to agree with some of our ideas.

But if obama does a EO on immigration I think the only answer will have to be impeachment.

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Nov 5, 2014 12:05:08   #
skott Loc: Bama
 
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
I am inclined to say in your face Obama, Reid and Pelosi but we should ask ourselves why do we h**e Reid so much?

Are we going to govern in the same way he has chosen over these last 6 years?

Or are we going to give them a voice and in return get some of them to agree with some of our ideas.

But if obama does a EO on immigration I think the only answer will have to be impeachment.


EO's are not illegal. Please try an impeachment. Please.

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Nov 6, 2014 09:27:57   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
ginnyt wrote:
This is the new spin that Liberals are putting on last evening. I find it sad that they can not accept defeat with some grace. Pity that they can not shake the hand of the elected and extend an invitation to work with fresh new ideas instead of the broken promises and lies from the past years. Sad for the Liberals.... I hope that this starts a new age of cooperation and moving forward once again. Perhaps .... but, this may be too much to hope for after so many years of disappointment!


These "fresh new ideas" aren't new. They've been around a long time. The problem has been that neither side was willing to even consider incorporating anyone else's "fresh new ideas" into their own. So the question becomes, why would Democrats be willing to work with Republicans now, when Republicans refused to work with THEM before?

It really appears that Republicans are now demanding that Democrats show adult behavior towards them, AFTER failing to do the same for all these years. Playing the spoiled child for 6 years, refusing to budge an inch because they couldn't have their way, then when they're given an inch - they suddenly want to act like the superior adult?

I have always been non partisan, so don't care who controls what. I care about results - and there hasn't been any - at least none that are positive. BOTH sides have acted like brainless children. All I'm suggesting is that Republicans should be careful about what they read into these e******ns. Less than 60% of the v**e is NOT 100%. Since only about 1/3 of v**ers v**ed, that means only 20% of Americans actually v**ed for Republicans and that IS NOT a universal mandate, or a sign that ALL AMERICANS approve of their "agenda". So if Republicans continue to fall prey to their own BS, they'll lose everything in the end.

The country is not served with only one party running the show, we've all seen the results. Simply replacing one party with another is NOT going to change that pattern, whether they've convinced themselves of that or not. Republicans have a chance to do real governance, BUT, "My way or the highway" will not work for Republicans any better than it did Democrats. I'm just saying.

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Nov 6, 2014 10:41:50   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
Why did you say this,"So the question becomes, why would Democrats be willing to work with Republicans now, when Republicans refused to work with THEM before?" Look on Reids desk. Look at Obama's refusal to negotiate. Look at all the lies. Look at twisting the constitution. Look at the completely closed doors of this administration. Etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc, and on and on and on.
"Refuse to work with them "? What absolute crap. Get a grip
P.S.
You are not non partisan ! You waffle from time to time but you are not non partisan ! Re-read your original post objectively. Why would anyone consider you non partisan ? Your joking, right ?

lpnmajor wrote:
These "fresh new ideas" aren't new. They've been around a long time. The problem has been that neither side was willing to even consider incorporating anyone else's "fresh new ideas" into their own. So the question becomes, why would Democrats be willing to work with Republicans now, when Republicans refused to work with THEM before?

It really appears that Republicans are now demanding that Democrats show adult behavior towards them, AFTER failing to do the same for all these years. Playing the spoiled child for 6 years, refusing to budge an inch because they couldn't have their way, then when they're given an inch - they suddenly want to act like the superior adult?

I have always been non partisan, so don't care who controls what. I care about results - and there hasn't been any - at least none that are positive. BOTH sides have acted like brainless children. All I'm suggesting is that Republicans should be careful about what they read into these e******ns. Less than 60% of the v**e is NOT 100%. Since only about 1/3 of v**ers v**ed, that means only 20% of Americans actually v**ed for Republicans and that IS NOT a universal mandate, or a sign that ALL AMERICANS approve of their "agenda". So if Republicans continue to fall prey to their own BS, they'll lose everything in the end.

The country is not served with only one party running the show, we've all seen the results. Simply replacing one party with another is NOT going to change that pattern, whether they've convinced themselves of that or not. Republicans have a chance to do real governance, BUT, "My way or the highway" will not work for Republicans any better than it did Democrats. I'm just saying.
These "fresh new ideas" aren't new. They... (show quote)

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Nov 6, 2014 11:12:47   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
lpnmajor wrote:
These "fresh new ideas" aren't new. They've been around a long time. The problem has been that neither side was willing to even consider incorporating anyone else's "fresh new ideas" into their own. So the question becomes, why would Democrats be willing to work with Republicans now, when Republicans refused to work with THEM before?

It really appears that Republicans are now demanding that Democrats show adult behavior towards them, AFTER failing to do the same for all these years. Playing the spoiled child for 6 years, refusing to budge an inch because they couldn't have their way, then when they're given an inch - they suddenly want to act like the superior adult?

I have always been non partisan, so don't care who controls what. I care about results - and there hasn't been any - at least none that are positive. BOTH sides have acted like brainless children. All I'm suggesting is that Republicans should be careful about what they read into these e******ns. Less than 60% of the v**e is NOT 100%. Since only about 1/3 of v**ers v**ed, that means only 20% of Americans actually v**ed for Republicans and that IS NOT a universal mandate, or a sign that ALL AMERICANS approve of their "agenda". So if Republicans continue to fall prey to their own BS, they'll lose everything in the end.

The country is not served with only one party running the show, we've all seen the results. Simply replacing one party with another is NOT going to change that pattern, whether they've convinced themselves of that or not. Republicans have a chance to do real governance, BUT, "My way or the highway" will not work for Republicans any better than it did Democrats. I'm just saying.
These "fresh new ideas" aren't new. They... (show quote)


1st off if you choose not to exercise your right and responcibility to v**e you have no right to b***h about what happens. The county I live in had over 60% turn out and over 60% of them v**ed republican.

But the 3 big contests in MN all had forgone conclusions Franken retained his senate seat, Dayton the governership and Nolan the 8th district house seat. Do you want to know why they were forgone conclusions because outside democrat PAC's outspent their Repulicans counterparts by more than 3 to 1 on primarily negative advertising.

What Americans want has very little to do with the outcome of e******ns. Until that 50% that sit on their asses and complain get off the damn bleachers and down onto the field of play.

I have 6 children and only 2 of them v**ed. My youngest who is 19 had his first chance to v**e and my middle son who has been working for the last 6 months to help re-elect Walker over in WI.

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Nov 6, 2014 11:28:57   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
The illusion is that most of the sheople believe there is any real difference in either arm of the corporate party--tweedle dee and tweedle dum.

To prove my point look at their v****g records. You will discover that dimwit and repulsive pols v**e the exact same way. Stop listening to what they say and look at how they v**e.

http://www.realistnews.net/Thread-two-party-system-an-illusion-both-funded-from-same-source

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Nov 6, 2014 11:37:14   #
Kevyn
 
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
1st off if you choose not to exercise your right and responcibility to v**e you have no right to b***h about what happens. The county I live in had over 60% turn out and over 60% of them v**ed republican.

But the 3 big contests in MN all had forgone conclusions Franken retained his senate seat, Dayton the governership and Nolan the 8th district house seat. Do you want to know why they were forgone conclusions because outside democrat PAC's outspent their Repulicans counterparts by more than 3 to 1 on primarily negative advertising.

What Americans want has very little to do with the outcome of e******ns. Until that 50% that sit on their asses and complain get off the damn bleachers and down onto the field of play.

I have 6 children and only 2 of them v**ed. My youngest who is 19 had his first chance to v**e and my middle son who has been working for the last 6 months to help re-elect Walker over in WI.
1st off if you choose not to exercise your right a... (show quote)
With Minnisota so much more successful in every area, more jobs, less poverty higher educational levels better services, under democratic leadership than Walkers failing Wisconsin why on earth would your kid want Walker re elected?

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Nov 6, 2014 11:39:48   #
KHH1
 
missinglink wrote:
Watching the left attempt adjusting ought to be a good laugh. I think I might watch more CNN, MSNBC and the like. Listening to the spins should be amusing as hell. Break out the cool aid there will be a mighty thirst.


*As long as the economy moves ahead...the next enrollment priod for Obamacare works out....and the immigration reform passes...one way or another....all is kool with Dems...the spinless Dems cowered and the bigots got to scream the loudest and be heard**

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Nov 6, 2014 11:59:07   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
Kevyn wrote:
With Minnisota so much more successful in every area, more jobs, less poverty higher educational levels better services, under democratic leadership than Walkers failing Wisconsin why on earth would your kid want Walker re elected?


That's actually a reasonably fair question. Let's go with all of those things you just mentioned. Because of all of those things WI was no longer able in the long term continue to fully fund at 100% the retirement pensions and healthcare cost of the teachers and other gov Union members. All he did was ask them to start paying a part of their share of cost.

But there are cracks in MN economic engine, there are many large fortune 500 companies that have left MN or are planning on doing so like Honeywell, BNSF and now Medtronic. We are having our hands tied by one regulatory agency after another in creating jobs on the Iron Range. As well as one company after another is moving their manufacturing to the Dakotas.

We had been almost immune to economic down turns but we are slowly losing ground and my not be the shining light we have been in the past.

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Nov 6, 2014 13:05:06   #
vernon
 
lpnmajor wrote:
These "fresh new ideas" aren't new. They've been around a long time. The problem has been that neither side was willing to even consider incorporating anyone else's "fresh new ideas" into their own. So the question becomes, why would Democrats be willing to work with Republicans now, when Republicans refused to work with THEM before?

It really appears that Republicans are now demanding that Democrats show adult behavior towards them, AFTER failing to do the same for all these years. Playing the spoiled child for 6 years, refusing to budge an inch because they couldn't have their way, then when they're given an inch - they suddenly want to act like the superior adult?

I have always been non partisan, so don't care who controls what. I care about results - and there hasn't been any - at least none that are positive. BOTH sides have acted like brainless children. All I'm suggesting is that Republicans should be careful about what they read into these e******ns. Less than 60% of the v**e is NOT 100%. Since only about 1/3 of v**ers v**ed, that means only 20% of Americans actually v**ed for Republicans and that IS NOT a universal mandate, or a sign that ALL AMERICANS approve of their "agenda". So if Republicans continue to fall prey to their own BS, they'll lose everything in the end.

The country is not served with only one party running the show, we've all seen the results. Simply replacing one party with another is NOT going to change that pattern, whether they've convinced themselves of that or not. Republicans have a chance to do real governance, BUT, "My way or the highway" will not work for Republicans any better than it did Democrats. I'm just saying.
These "fresh new ideas" aren't new. They... (show quote)


lp thats just bulls**t harry reid created all the gridlock !the demorats didnt want to work with the house ,he just wanted to have them tolally surrender.and you and grumbledog are just showing the t***h that (the casuality of idelogy is t***h.)

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