We call ourselves "Civilized"? You could of fooled me....
Jun 21, 2022 18:49:00 #
First thing I want the Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Liberals and Conservatives to do before reading this is STOP! take a breath and relax.
A debate over ideas is just that a debate. No one idea is right and no one idea is wrong. We have a tradition in this country that destroys the bully, stands up for the minority, and comes to defense of the innocent. I support Donald Trump for president. And yes, I am against the one-sided investigation of the J** 6th committee. They are throwing wild conclusions out there as if Donald Trump conspired to and used his power as president to perform an unconstitutional action.
There are holes in the constitution, some were put there on purpose and others were not even thought of in the creation of the constitution. I understand that fully. But when innocent people on all sides, get punished for the actions of the few we have to STOP, take a breath and calm down. Did Joe Biden win the e******n fair and square. The evidence seems to point in that direction according to the J****** 6th committee. Okay fine, Joe Biden won, so what? Does that give a license to harass the opposing side? No. Harassment in any form is unjust and un-American!
Just because a candidate wants to win, is in no way an excuse for harassments for the candidate, as it is in no way an excuse for the opposition to harass. The year 2020 will go down in history as an aggressive war between two opposing factions, commonly called the far left and the far right. A war among extremists.
On one side, we have those who attacked government buildings in the beginning of the year due to the injustice of what happened to an American Citizen, G****e F***d, which resulted in his death. Dramatic as it was, the death of G****e F***d should have sparked reform, but instead it sparked violence. It is this violence that erupted the action of a slippery slope. First it was the death of G****e F***d, then it was defund the police, then it was r**ting, which ended with the r**ts of J** 6, 2021.
For Federal officers in Seattle and Portland, to the r**ts and victims in Chicago, to the violence in Minnesota and Wisconsin, as well as in Michigan, and California, this unrest played out in an un-American, uncivilized manner. This is not who we are in any e******n year, nor who we are as a people. For that reason, I agree with the need of an investigative authority to determine the cause. If the answer is Donald Trump, the answer is wrong. For reasons as set forth by a second impeachment, and the judgement of the Senate, one must, if they are fair, remove Donald Trump from the equation. The law states that a man cannot be charged for the same crime twice. Therefore Donald Trump must be removed from the equation, except that he was a candidate an incumbent candidate running for President.
Actions, not verbal or virtual actions, but real concrete actions must not be overlooked. Politics and campaigning is about persuasion. There is civilized persuasion and uncivilized persuasion. Using threats of violence is uncivilized. Performing those acts of violence, are uncivilized, unfair and unlawful. In 1800, 1864, turn of the century of 1900, and in the year 2000, there have been some heated e******ns that could have and have caused violence in the United States. However, in my lifetime the e******n of 2000, 2016 and 2020 were the worst. Here is why:
1. Confidence in the e******n system was challenged by the people, (either the left or the right and I can site circumstances were it was both), and the resolution has not occurred. If a person wins an e******n clearly or over 60 percent, there is no question that the winner is the winner. However, when an e******n is close, what recourse, what challenge can be presented that could possibly change the results of the e******n. In fairness, a candidate should be able to become successful at challenging an e******n. This is the right of the challenger. However, the e******n must only be held once, until it is proven that the first e******n is riddled with so much fraud, that the results are unintelligible.
2. Clear v**er intent. During the E******n of 2000, there was a new term called a "chad" or "h*****g chads" that came up. This lead to many hours of arguments. The arguments led to Florida changing the way the v**er, v**ed. A sensible electronic reform, or even mail in b****ts were established to prevent the "chads" or "h*****g chads". Kudos to Florida in tightening up their e******n system.
3. During the 2016 e******n, Donald Trump clearly won. However, the opposing party for the next four years, relentlessly attacked him and his party. It was nothing short of a miracle that Donald Trump could do anything. But he did, and it was better for the country. However, I as a Trump supporter feel, that even in all of his success he failed to do one thing. That was to hold those who were accountable for holding up his administration, guilty of spreading slanderous statements towards him, and when that didn't work violently attacked him and his supporters. Between the illegal activity of the Hilary Clinton campaign, the FBI probe, the CIA and Department of Homeland Security input as well as the intelligence community, the Muller investigation which finally ended with impeachment. And where did it go from there. The Senate v**ed to acquit and he was found not guilty. But it was too late, the lies about Donald Trump continued to circulate. Why? That was uncivilized. Because it was so uncivilized, the far left continued by instigating violence. Examples of this, is the result of Adam Schiff, and Maxine Waters. Two Representatives of the House of Representatives, who used their power to o*******w a sitting president by any means necessary including violence. And when it is all over, no apology. Now, is that civilized?
4. Thus we enter the 2020 e******n season. The excuse of the C****-** P******c or C****-** scare, e******n laws were changed. This occurred mid stream during the e******n season. Civilized as it seemed, the e******n was still held in November. But during this cycle, information pertaining to the two top candidates, Joe Biden and Donald Trump, were skewed. So how could an intelligent v**er use wisdom to choose between the two? This sparked violence in the streets. Again running for political office is about persuasion not about how tough you are. Donald Trump had the "Tough Guy" attitude from New York. Joe Biden, showed a weak frail person from Delaware. America felt sorry for the poor old guy that the tough guy was picking on. But was Joe Biden really that weak? Or was he just a front man, for a devious political machine? As the Events of November 8th unfolded, we, Americans, would witness not only a big upset but also a devious plot to o*******w the e******n. And in lieu of the J** 6 c*******e hearings, this information would probably shock you. However, it probably will not be discussed.
It is clear that the Democrats don't dislike Trump, the far left does not dislike Trump, they h**e him. In order to h**e him this extremely and badly they have to love him first. This h**e is worse than the h**e that portrayed between the North and the South in the civil war. Review it for the past four years of Trump's presidency for yourself and you will see it as plain as the nose on your face. So before I continue, Stop reading this for a moment and take a pause, take a breath then I will present more on this.
Take thy emotion out of it. I know during a campaign people become emotionally attached to their "horse" to win the race. But the e******n of 2020 was riddled with violence and it is time for the people to stand up against the one-sided view points. This is the only way we all can live and work together, instead of Deeping the divide that separates us. Let's be civilized and not provoke violence, and if violence is a result then we from both sides hold the perpetrators responsible. We can do this, the outcome may not be what you or I desire but at least we are working together.
A debate over ideas is just that a debate. No one idea is right and no one idea is wrong. We have a tradition in this country that destroys the bully, stands up for the minority, and comes to defense of the innocent. I support Donald Trump for president. And yes, I am against the one-sided investigation of the J** 6th committee. They are throwing wild conclusions out there as if Donald Trump conspired to and used his power as president to perform an unconstitutional action.
There are holes in the constitution, some were put there on purpose and others were not even thought of in the creation of the constitution. I understand that fully. But when innocent people on all sides, get punished for the actions of the few we have to STOP, take a breath and calm down. Did Joe Biden win the e******n fair and square. The evidence seems to point in that direction according to the J****** 6th committee. Okay fine, Joe Biden won, so what? Does that give a license to harass the opposing side? No. Harassment in any form is unjust and un-American!
Just because a candidate wants to win, is in no way an excuse for harassments for the candidate, as it is in no way an excuse for the opposition to harass. The year 2020 will go down in history as an aggressive war between two opposing factions, commonly called the far left and the far right. A war among extremists.
On one side, we have those who attacked government buildings in the beginning of the year due to the injustice of what happened to an American Citizen, G****e F***d, which resulted in his death. Dramatic as it was, the death of G****e F***d should have sparked reform, but instead it sparked violence. It is this violence that erupted the action of a slippery slope. First it was the death of G****e F***d, then it was defund the police, then it was r**ting, which ended with the r**ts of J** 6, 2021.
For Federal officers in Seattle and Portland, to the r**ts and victims in Chicago, to the violence in Minnesota and Wisconsin, as well as in Michigan, and California, this unrest played out in an un-American, uncivilized manner. This is not who we are in any e******n year, nor who we are as a people. For that reason, I agree with the need of an investigative authority to determine the cause. If the answer is Donald Trump, the answer is wrong. For reasons as set forth by a second impeachment, and the judgement of the Senate, one must, if they are fair, remove Donald Trump from the equation. The law states that a man cannot be charged for the same crime twice. Therefore Donald Trump must be removed from the equation, except that he was a candidate an incumbent candidate running for President.
Actions, not verbal or virtual actions, but real concrete actions must not be overlooked. Politics and campaigning is about persuasion. There is civilized persuasion and uncivilized persuasion. Using threats of violence is uncivilized. Performing those acts of violence, are uncivilized, unfair and unlawful. In 1800, 1864, turn of the century of 1900, and in the year 2000, there have been some heated e******ns that could have and have caused violence in the United States. However, in my lifetime the e******n of 2000, 2016 and 2020 were the worst. Here is why:
1. Confidence in the e******n system was challenged by the people, (either the left or the right and I can site circumstances were it was both), and the resolution has not occurred. If a person wins an e******n clearly or over 60 percent, there is no question that the winner is the winner. However, when an e******n is close, what recourse, what challenge can be presented that could possibly change the results of the e******n. In fairness, a candidate should be able to become successful at challenging an e******n. This is the right of the challenger. However, the e******n must only be held once, until it is proven that the first e******n is riddled with so much fraud, that the results are unintelligible.
2. Clear v**er intent. During the E******n of 2000, there was a new term called a "chad" or "h*****g chads" that came up. This lead to many hours of arguments. The arguments led to Florida changing the way the v**er, v**ed. A sensible electronic reform, or even mail in b****ts were established to prevent the "chads" or "h*****g chads". Kudos to Florida in tightening up their e******n system.
3. During the 2016 e******n, Donald Trump clearly won. However, the opposing party for the next four years, relentlessly attacked him and his party. It was nothing short of a miracle that Donald Trump could do anything. But he did, and it was better for the country. However, I as a Trump supporter feel, that even in all of his success he failed to do one thing. That was to hold those who were accountable for holding up his administration, guilty of spreading slanderous statements towards him, and when that didn't work violently attacked him and his supporters. Between the illegal activity of the Hilary Clinton campaign, the FBI probe, the CIA and Department of Homeland Security input as well as the intelligence community, the Muller investigation which finally ended with impeachment. And where did it go from there. The Senate v**ed to acquit and he was found not guilty. But it was too late, the lies about Donald Trump continued to circulate. Why? That was uncivilized. Because it was so uncivilized, the far left continued by instigating violence. Examples of this, is the result of Adam Schiff, and Maxine Waters. Two Representatives of the House of Representatives, who used their power to o*******w a sitting president by any means necessary including violence. And when it is all over, no apology. Now, is that civilized?
4. Thus we enter the 2020 e******n season. The excuse of the C****-** P******c or C****-** scare, e******n laws were changed. This occurred mid stream during the e******n season. Civilized as it seemed, the e******n was still held in November. But during this cycle, information pertaining to the two top candidates, Joe Biden and Donald Trump, were skewed. So how could an intelligent v**er use wisdom to choose between the two? This sparked violence in the streets. Again running for political office is about persuasion not about how tough you are. Donald Trump had the "Tough Guy" attitude from New York. Joe Biden, showed a weak frail person from Delaware. America felt sorry for the poor old guy that the tough guy was picking on. But was Joe Biden really that weak? Or was he just a front man, for a devious political machine? As the Events of November 8th unfolded, we, Americans, would witness not only a big upset but also a devious plot to o*******w the e******n. And in lieu of the J** 6 c*******e hearings, this information would probably shock you. However, it probably will not be discussed.
It is clear that the Democrats don't dislike Trump, the far left does not dislike Trump, they h**e him. In order to h**e him this extremely and badly they have to love him first. This h**e is worse than the h**e that portrayed between the North and the South in the civil war. Review it for the past four years of Trump's presidency for yourself and you will see it as plain as the nose on your face. So before I continue, Stop reading this for a moment and take a pause, take a breath then I will present more on this.
Take thy emotion out of it. I know during a campaign people become emotionally attached to their "horse" to win the race. But the e******n of 2020 was riddled with violence and it is time for the people to stand up against the one-sided view points. This is the only way we all can live and work together, instead of Deeping the divide that separates us. Let's be civilized and not provoke violence, and if violence is a result then we from both sides hold the perpetrators responsible. We can do this, the outcome may not be what you or I desire but at least we are working together.
Jun 21, 2022 19:14:48 #
Jun 21, 2022 23:12:35 #
LogicallyRight wrote:
Well written and a lot of good t***h there. Thanks for posting that.
I feel I have to. The J** 6 c*******e is trying to hold Trump and MAGA Republicans responsible for J** 6th. Yet who is holding the Democrats responsible for the disinformation of Russian Collusion, the r**ts of 2020, and the pro choice activists terrorizing the Supreme Court Justices, today?
With rethoric from Maxine Waters which is worse.than anything Trump said or did, why is she not being punished for her misdeeds?
Okay, I get it each political party policies themselves. But obviously that is not enough. This a double standard is created and exists. Fueled not by the people but by those who pick and choose what law to enforce and for whom to enforce it upon. This is where the first part of this ugly problem starts. The double standard. Rules for the and not for me.
Should there be an investigation on both parties for their actions in 2020, 2021 and today? Yes there should be. And here's why. The Democrats attacked trump first. Then trump fought back and attacked them. And it continued from J** 6, 2016 until now. Who benefited and paid for this feud? We all did. Trump gave us low gas prices for example and the Democrats gave us high gas prices. We paid for it and benefited from it. But their attacks both Trump and the Democrats, the great American feud continues.
This feud will lead us to fight against each other. The likes of which were seen once in this nation between the years of 1860 to 1865.
Is that civilized. All Americans need to stop this feud. It's worse then the Hatfield's and McCoys. The MAGA movement is about freedom and prosperity and what we can do fulfilling John F Kennedy's " ask not what my country can do for you. But ask what I can do for my country"
On the other side the Democrats(outside of the progressive Socialists) stick together..."an attack on one is an attack on all" and "all for one, and one for all"
These two philosophies are Great and do help America more than they hurt her. But the Socialist Progressives introduce past fears into the modern age. R****m, sexism, bigotry, hypocrisy, are all traits of this group that has infiltrated all of America like a cancer.
Our prosperity relies on trust, and the dishonest progressive extremists are determined to destroy that trust. This is why people are leaving the once great Democrat party.
A hypocrite is an enemy of this trust. A r****t no matter if the r****t is against r****m or not is an enemy of this trust.
An innovator and the like are friends of this trust. Those who do thier job to the best of their ability are honored by this trust. But those who refuse to do thier job and are lazy in one form or another, regardless of excuse, are enemies of that trust.
We trust our representatives with our hopes and dreams to improve our lives representing us. We do this in a system that we can trust and rely on. But when that trust is broken by one leader or another, then violence follows.
Even though the Democrats blame Trump for J** 6th I blame the Democrats for setting it up. It's called the political machine of the Democrats. It is strong, it is wealthy, it is out of touch with the least of our citizens. It is brazen. It is failing each and everyone of us including their own. Who in their right mind would milk the public out of their money? And repeat the 1970s?
This is wrong. The feud between Trump and the Democrats should have died with the e******n but it didn't. Why?
Has anyone ever asked that question?Obi-won Kenobi threatened Darth Vader with this line in Star wars, a new hope, " If you strike me down, I will become more powerful that you will ever know"
And that's how Donald Trump is becoming immortal.
Jun 21, 2022 23:28:34 #
The Democrats, I fear are going to make the same mistake Lincoln made with the Mormons, the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints. And many leaders will attempt to be another Donald Trump in the future.
Trump, himself, and his movement is not a danger to our republic, but the way those perceive the movement may become a threat to the Republic. So I caution everyone to take a step back and realize what is going on here.
Lincoln passed a set of anti sodomy laws in federal law, later to be repealed during the Clinton years. These laws were intended to destroy the Mormons.
As a result of these laws the Mormons became stronger. The Democrats are attempting to do the same to trump and his supporters. They, we, will become stronger, and I for one do not want that strength which has the potential of destroying the democracy.
And the funny part about it is they would not be doing it on purpose. So we need wisdom to check the movement. However, should the Democrats succeed in their endeavor to destroy trump and his immortals, they will destroy themselves.
This is what I see coming. So we, the people must STOP and take the planks out of our own eyes before we start demanding our opposing citizens to do the same. Right now MAGA is a good movement. Right now the Democrats who do not subscribe to progressive policy is good. So we must stamp out these evil tricks of the socialist, progressive, Democrats. Keep them at the very least in check..
Trump, himself, and his movement is not a danger to our republic, but the way those perceive the movement may become a threat to the Republic. So I caution everyone to take a step back and realize what is going on here.
Lincoln passed a set of anti sodomy laws in federal law, later to be repealed during the Clinton years. These laws were intended to destroy the Mormons.
As a result of these laws the Mormons became stronger. The Democrats are attempting to do the same to trump and his supporters. They, we, will become stronger, and I for one do not want that strength which has the potential of destroying the democracy.
And the funny part about it is they would not be doing it on purpose. So we need wisdom to check the movement. However, should the Democrats succeed in their endeavor to destroy trump and his immortals, they will destroy themselves.
This is what I see coming. So we, the people must STOP and take the planks out of our own eyes before we start demanding our opposing citizens to do the same. Right now MAGA is a good movement. Right now the Democrats who do not subscribe to progressive policy is good. So we must stamp out these evil tricks of the socialist, progressive, Democrats. Keep them at the very least in check..
Jun 22, 2022 17:43:48 #
Jun 22, 2022 20:19:20 #
Ranger7374 wrote:
First thing I want the Democrats, Republicans, Ind... (show quote)
Well said, good post
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