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Jun 20, 2022 23:11:09   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
permafrost wrote:
Pelosi is not in charge of the National Guard.. trump had calls made to keep the NG away...

Pelosi did not keep the NG away on J** 6th
Yo, simpleton, read the thread, stay focused.
Just throwing s**t hoping it will stick doesn't cut it.

The Evidence Trump Requested 10,000 National Guard Troops on J****** 6th That “Fact Checkers” Are Ignoring

With the anniversary of J****** 6th having passed earlier this month, Donald Trump’s claim that he requested national guard troops ahead of that day has been scrutinized by the so-called “fact checkers” once again. While a number have been published in recent weeks, I’ll be addressing Politifact’s from last year, as I’ve made a habit of specifically going after their godawful “fact checks.”

Sports reporter turned pretend fact checker Tom Kertscher attempted to fact check Donald Trump’s claim that he “requested 10,000 national guard troops for J****** 6th, which Pelosi denied.” Trump first made the claim during a February 28, 2021 interview on Fox News. When asked if he thought there was anything he could’ve done differently by host Steve Hilton, Trump replied “We said to the Department of Defense, the top person, days before we had the rally … I requested … I definitely gave the number of 10,000 National Guardsmen, I think you should have 10,000 of the National Guard ready. They took that number. From what I understand, they gave it to the people at the Capitol, which is controlled by Pelosi. And I heard they rejected it because they didn’t think it would look good. So, you know, that was a big mistake.”

Sportsball’s rebuttal is as follows:

* He quotes an article in far-left Vanity Fair quoting then acting defense secretary Christopher Miller met with Trump on the night of January 5th, and Trump asked Miller how many troops the Pentagon planned to deploy to D.C. the next day, but “There is no clear evidence that Trump made a request for 10,000 National Guard troops.”
* He says “a Defense Department spokesman said the department ‘has no record of such an order being given’ by Trump. This quote is anonymous and unsourced, and I cannot find it in any publication besides the PolitiFact article quoting it.
* In a February 23, 2021 Senate hearing, former C*****l P****e Chief Steven Sund said he met with the former House sergeant-at-arms Paul Irving (who reports to Pelosi), and former Senate sergeant-at-arms Michael Stenger, and that he requested the National Guard deploy troops on J****** 6th. Irving testified that he didn’t “take the discussion as a request,” and that the three men agreed there was no need for troops.

Now unlike most of my fact checks of fact checks, this isn’t a case where there’s a clear verdict. In fact, whether or not you believe Trump’s claims boils down to which officials you happen to trust. Kertscher is only quoting those who contradict Trump, but there are others who seconded his claim.

Former Acting Director of National Intelligence Ric Grenell blasted the “fact check,” stating that Kertscher is focusing on the lack of a formal request, “But the leaders of the Pentagon then made clear they offered Pelosi and she said No.”

Kash Patel, who served as acting United States Secretary of Defense, also supported the “10,000 national guard” claim, explaining to Hannity earlier this month:

"I was in the Oval Office on that day, days prior to J****** 6, with the secretary of defense, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and others and President Trump.

And he authorized, as the law requires, 10,000 to 20,000 National Guardsmen and Women to be utilized around the country. But the second part of the law requires a federal agency or governor or mayor, such as the United States C*****l P****e or Mayor Bowser to make a request, otherwise, the National Guard cannot be deployed legally."

…….

Biden’s DOD inspector general himself said the Trump administration DOD did not delay or obstruct their response to J****** 6th and Mayor Bowser and the C*****l p****e repeatedly in writing refused to request the National Guard. And that’s in the report and it’s in the DOD records, and I wonder why so many people aren’t asking for it.

Hannity asked “for the National Guard to have been called up, that had to be approved by Nancy Pelosi. Is that the correct chain of command?” and Patel clarified:

Well, Nancy Pelosi supervises the United States C*****l P****e. That’s the federal agency and Mayor Bowser who would have requested the National Guard. So I can’t imagine the universe where the United States C*****l P****e didn’t consult with their chain of command to make that request.

…..

It’s backed up by writing; Mayor Bowser’s written refusal, the communications between the leader of the C*****l p****e and their chain of command to the DOD refusing our request to allow National Guardsmen and Women to stage on January 4 and January 5, before J****** 6. That’s in the timeline.

So we have a case where it’s Patel and Grenell’s word against Miller’s and Sund’s. An honest “fact checker” would rate this sort of claim “disputed,” yet PolitiFact opted for a “false” rating because their goal is to silence the narrative, not actually discover if it’s true or not. Kertscher writes there’s “No proof Trump requested 10,000 Guard troops for J*** 6 or that Pelosi denied it” – but there’s certainty evidence for it – evidence that was conveniently ignored.

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Jun 21, 2022 02:52:09   #
Wildlandfirefighter
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Yo, simpleton, read the thread, stay focused.
Just throwing s**t hoping it will stick doesn't cut it.

The Evidence Trump Requested 10,000 National Guard Troops on J****** 6th That “Fact Checkers” Are Ignoring

With the anniversary of J****** 6th having passed earlier this month, Donald Trump’s claim that he requested national guard troops ahead of that day has been scrutinized by the so-called “fact checkers” once again. While a number have been published in recent weeks, I’ll be addressing Politifact’s from last year, as I’ve made a habit of specifically going after their godawful “fact checks.”

Sports reporter turned pretend fact checker Tom Kertscher attempted to fact check Donald Trump’s claim that he “requested 10,000 national guard troops for J****** 6th, which Pelosi denied.” Trump first made the claim during a February 28, 2021 interview on Fox News. When asked if he thought there was anything he could’ve done differently by host Steve Hilton, Trump replied “We said to the Department of Defense, the top person, days before we had the rally … I requested … I definitely gave the number of 10,000 National Guardsmen, I think you should have 10,000 of the National Guard ready. They took that number. From what I understand, they gave it to the people at the Capitol, which is controlled by Pelosi. And I heard they rejected it because they didn’t think it would look good. So, you know, that was a big mistake.”

Sportsball’s rebuttal is as follows:

* He quotes an article in far-left Vanity Fair quoting then acting defense secretary Christopher Miller met with Trump on the night of January 5th, and Trump asked Miller how many troops the Pentagon planned to deploy to D.C. the next day, but “There is no clear evidence that Trump made a request for 10,000 National Guard troops.”
* He says “a Defense Department spokesman said the department ‘has no record of such an order being given’ by Trump. This quote is anonymous and unsourced, and I cannot find it in any publication besides the PolitiFact article quoting it.
* In a February 23, 2021 Senate hearing, former C*****l P****e Chief Steven Sund said he met with the former House sergeant-at-arms Paul Irving (who reports to Pelosi), and former Senate sergeant-at-arms Michael Stenger, and that he requested the National Guard deploy troops on J****** 6th. Irving testified that he didn’t “take the discussion as a request,” and that the three men agreed there was no need for troops.

Now unlike most of my fact checks of fact checks, this isn’t a case where there’s a clear verdict. In fact, whether or not you believe Trump’s claims boils down to which officials you happen to trust. Kertscher is only quoting those who contradict Trump, but there are others who seconded his claim.

Former Acting Director of National Intelligence Ric Grenell blasted the “fact check,” stating that Kertscher is focusing on the lack of a formal request, “But the leaders of the Pentagon then made clear they offered Pelosi and she said No.”

Kash Patel, who served as acting United States Secretary of Defense, also supported the “10,000 national guard” claim, explaining to Hannity earlier this month:

"I was in the Oval Office on that day, days prior to J****** 6, with the secretary of defense, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and others and President Trump.

And he authorized, as the law requires, 10,000 to 20,000 National Guardsmen and Women to be utilized around the country. But the second part of the law requires a federal agency or governor or mayor, such as the United States C*****l P****e or Mayor Bowser to make a request, otherwise, the National Guard cannot be deployed legally."

…….

Biden’s DOD inspector general himself said the Trump administration DOD did not delay or obstruct their response to J****** 6th and Mayor Bowser and the C*****l p****e repeatedly in writing refused to request the National Guard. And that’s in the report and it’s in the DOD records, and I wonder why so many people aren’t asking for it.

Hannity asked “for the National Guard to have been called up, that had to be approved by Nancy Pelosi. Is that the correct chain of command?” and Patel clarified:

Well, Nancy Pelosi supervises the United States C*****l P****e. That’s the federal agency and Mayor Bowser who would have requested the National Guard. So I can’t imagine the universe where the United States C*****l P****e didn’t consult with their chain of command to make that request.

…..

It’s backed up by writing; Mayor Bowser’s written refusal, the communications between the leader of the C*****l p****e and their chain of command to the DOD refusing our request to allow National Guardsmen and Women to stage on January 4 and January 5, before J****** 6. That’s in the timeline.

So we have a case where it’s Patel and Grenell’s word against Miller’s and Sund’s. An honest “fact checker” would rate this sort of claim “disputed,” yet PolitiFact opted for a “false” rating because their goal is to silence the narrative, not actually discover if it’s true or not. Kertscher writes there’s “No proof Trump requested 10,000 Guard troops for J*** 6 or that Pelosi denied it” – but there’s certainty evidence for it – evidence that was conveniently ignored.
Yo, simpleton, read the thread, stay focused. br ... (show quote)



Hey Mr. ignorant, the authority to approve a request for guard troops in DC sits with the president by law, not the DC Mayor, Pelosi or anyone else. The authority has been delegated to the Sec Def, who has delegated the authority to the Sec of the Army to make it happen. Trump was MIA, have you not figured that out yet? The Sec of Army was not available, neither the DC major nor Pelosi have the authority to call in the guard. Pence was the one that finally got them there. So all your post is just useless, mindless BS.

Bowser requested guard support early for that day and had 340 troops in town, but they were set up for traffic control and not in r**t gear.

Spend a little time educating yourself and you won’t look so foolish to those of us that are not so easily misled by Trumps big lie!

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Jun 21, 2022 05:29:31   #
rjoeholl
 
archie bunker wrote:
Don't you have boogers to pick? That would be a better use of your time.


He'd have to reach up his ass to do so.

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Jun 21, 2022 05:33:38   #
guzzimaestro
 
permafrost wrote:
Isn’t the J****** 6th committee pursuing Trump because of what Pelosi would have to expose on her own behalf for what she failed or refused to do?
Isn’t the J****** 6th committee pursuing Trump because of what Pelosi would have to expose on her own behalf for what she failed or refused to do?

These little nuggets of insanity are the only things that keep me informed of what the bizarro alternate reality of Fox News and other right wingnut/Russian propaganda outlets are dispensing to their brainwashed masses.

It absolutely blows my mind that there are people dumb enough to believe this stuff when the t***h is so accessible.

I**********n Timeline: First the C**p and Then the Cover-Up
The trial is over, but the stain on our democracy remains.
https://billmoyers.com/story/i**********n-timeline-first-the-c**p-and-then-the-cover-up-updated/?fbclid=IwAR3SPwSK7O9ViWOgdyoaSo4dWFaVgvNJyk8GuVvd-TOtAoxTAevVMb4fhlE
Pelosi had nothing to do with the i**********n or with getting the National Guard there. Trump had plotted, in advance, to make sure the National Guard would not be there, and could not be gotten there. Then he opens his fat, lying mouth, and says it was Peolsi’s fault that they were not there, and based on nothing but the lies of a proven lying liar, millions of i***ts keep repeating this bulls**t. It’s shameful.

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Trump Is A Criminal
"Not only did Donald Trump NOT “offer” 10,000 national guard troops for additional security around the Capitol, he fired his secretary of defense (Esper) in order to install a lackey (Miller) who (by his order) directed the Pentagon NOT to deploy..."
Isn’t the J****** 6th committee pursuing Trump bec... (show quote)


Yada yada yada. Got back down yer rabbit hole

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Jun 21, 2022 09:31:14   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Yo, simpleton, read the thread, stay focused.
Just throwing s**t hoping it will stick doesn't cut it.

The Evidence Trump Requested 10,000 National Guard Troops on J****** 6th That “Fact Checkers” Are Ignoring

With the anniversary of J****** 6th having passed earlier this month, Donald Trump’s claim that he requested national guard troops ahead of that day has been scrutinized by the so-called “fact checkers” once again. While a number have been published in recent weeks, I’ll be addressing Politifact’s from last year, as I’ve made a habit of specifically going after their godawful “fact checks.”

Sports reporter turned pretend fact checker Tom Kertscher attempted to fact check Donald Trump’s claim that he “requested 10,000 national guard troops for J****** 6th, which Pelosi denied.” Trump first made the claim during a February 28, 2021 interview on Fox News. When asked if he thought there was anything he could’ve done differently by host Steve Hilton, Trump replied “We said to the Department of Defense, the top person, days before we had the rally … I requested … I definitely gave the number of 10,000 National Guardsmen, I think you should have 10,000 of the National Guard ready. They took that number. From what I understand, they gave it to the people at the Capitol, which is controlled by Pelosi. And I heard they rejected it because they didn’t think it would look good. So, you know, that was a big mistake.”

Sportsball’s rebuttal is as follows:

* He quotes an article in far-left Vanity Fair quoting then acting defense secretary Christopher Miller met with Trump on the night of January 5th, and Trump asked Miller how many troops the Pentagon planned to deploy to D.C. the next day, but “There is no clear evidence that Trump made a request for 10,000 National Guard troops.”
* He says “a Defense Department spokesman said the department ‘has no record of such an order being given’ by Trump. This quote is anonymous and unsourced, and I cannot find it in any publication besides the PolitiFact article quoting it.
* In a February 23, 2021 Senate hearing, former C*****l P****e Chief Steven Sund said he met with the former House sergeant-at-arms Paul Irving (who reports to Pelosi), and former Senate sergeant-at-arms Michael Stenger, and that he requested the National Guard deploy troops on J****** 6th. Irving testified that he didn’t “take the discussion as a request,” and that the three men agreed there was no need for troops.

Now unlike most of my fact checks of fact checks, this isn’t a case where there’s a clear verdict. In fact, whether or not you believe Trump’s claims boils down to which officials you happen to trust. Kertscher is only quoting those who contradict Trump, but there are others who seconded his claim.

Former Acting Director of National Intelligence Ric Grenell blasted the “fact check,” stating that Kertscher is focusing on the lack of a formal request, “But the leaders of the Pentagon then made clear they offered Pelosi and she said No.”

Kash Patel, who served as acting United States Secretary of Defense, also supported the “10,000 national guard” claim, explaining to Hannity earlier this month:

"I was in the Oval Office on that day, days prior to J****** 6, with the secretary of defense, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and others and President Trump.

And he authorized, as the law requires, 10,000 to 20,000 National Guardsmen and Women to be utilized around the country. But the second part of the law requires a federal agency or governor or mayor, such as the United States C*****l P****e or Mayor Bowser to make a request, otherwise, the National Guard cannot be deployed legally."

…….

Biden’s DOD inspector general himself said the Trump administration DOD did not delay or obstruct their response to J****** 6th and Mayor Bowser and the C*****l p****e repeatedly in writing refused to request the National Guard. And that’s in the report and it’s in the DOD records, and I wonder why so many people aren’t asking for it.

Hannity asked “for the National Guard to have been called up, that had to be approved by Nancy Pelosi. Is that the correct chain of command?” and Patel clarified:

Well, Nancy Pelosi supervises the United States C*****l P****e. That’s the federal agency and Mayor Bowser who would have requested the National Guard. So I can’t imagine the universe where the United States C*****l P****e didn’t consult with their chain of command to make that request.

…..

It’s backed up by writing; Mayor Bowser’s written refusal, the communications between the leader of the C*****l p****e and their chain of command to the DOD refusing our request to allow National Guardsmen and Women to stage on January 4 and January 5, before J****** 6. That’s in the timeline.

So we have a case where it’s Patel and Grenell’s word against Miller’s and Sund’s. An honest “fact checker” would rate this sort of claim “disputed,” yet PolitiFact opted for a “false” rating because their goal is to silence the narrative, not actually discover if it’s true or not. Kertscher writes there’s “No proof Trump requested 10,000 Guard troops for J*** 6 or that Pelosi denied it” – but there’s certainty evidence for it – evidence that was conveniently ignored.
Yo, simpleton, read the thread, stay focused. br ... (show quote)


Lies to support the liar in chief.. the orange god you made..

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/12/16/fact-check-no-trump-request-10000-guard-troops-j***6/8929215002/

Fact check: Trump repeats false claim that Pelosi rejected request for National Guard ahead of J*** 6

rump’s claim is one of many efforts by Republicans and supporters of the former president to shift blame and downplay the J*** 6 attack on the Capitol that resulted in four deaths and led to more than 600 arrests.



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Jun 21, 2022 11:24:14   #
boggsrifle Loc: N.E.Nv.
 
Excellent come back Arch excellent

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Jun 21, 2022 11:56:38   #
moldyoldy
 
I expect the answers will come out in the January sixth hearing when people have to testify under oath.

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Jun 21, 2022 12:30:57   #
son of witless
 
permafrost wrote:
The c**p attempt was unsuccessful, but we still should hang them for the attempt to overturn our elected government, and we sure as heck need to wring the necks of all the leaders..


Okay tell me exactly how a bunch of r****rs were going to over turn the government ? Splain in detail if things had gone their way just how they could have done it ? I double dog dare you.

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Jun 21, 2022 12:56:52   #
guzzimaestro
 
son of witless wrote:
Okay tell me exactly how a bunch of r****rs were going to over turn the government ? Splain in detail if things had gone their way just how they could have done it ? I double dog dare you.


He can't. He just wants to spread his lies. T*****r to America

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Jun 21, 2022 13:36:30   #
moldyoldy
 
son of witless wrote:
Okay tell me exactly how a bunch of r****rs were going to over turn the government ? Splain in detail if things had gone their way just how they could have done it ? I double dog dare you.



If pence had followed the plan then the country would have been in total confusion and the maga army had weapons stashed in nearby hotels ready to take over the halls of government. With trump pulling the strings nobody would have done anything to stop it.

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Jun 21, 2022 13:52:48   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
moldyoldy wrote:
If pence had followed the plan then the country would have been in total confusion and the maga army had weapons stashed in nearby hotels ready to take over the halls of government. With trump pulling the strings nobody would have done anything to stop it.


OMG. Now I know you are even more bat s**t crazy than Pelosi!
And IF pigs could fly... IF IF IF... didn't.

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Jun 21, 2022 13:57:58   #
Justice101
 
permafrost wrote:
Pelosi is not in charge of the National Guard.. trump had calls made to keep the NG away...

Pelosi did not keep the NG away on J** 6th


https://www.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/police-had-intelligence-indicating-an-armed-invasion-weeks-before-january-6-r**t-senate-probe-finds-40517078.html

Excerpt> The report faults slow mobilization and poor interdepartmental communication - not any sort of stand-down order from the White House, as some Trump critics had speculated - for the fact that it took the National Guard more than three hours to respond to pleas for help from the Capitol during the attack. According to its findings, it was Army staff - not Trump - expressing early reservations about a military intervention, while the Army secretary claimed he was never informed that the D.C. National Guard had a quick reaction force "ready to go" to the Capitol, just awaiting his approval.

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Jun 21, 2022 14:17:19   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Justice101 wrote:
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/police-had-intelligence-indicating-an-armed-invasion-weeks-before-january-6-r**t-senate-probe-finds-40517078.html

Excerpt> The report faults slow mobilization and poor interdepartmental communication - not any sort of stand-down order from the White House, as some Trump critics had speculated - for the fact that it took the National Guard more than three hours to respond to pleas for help from the Capitol during the attack. According to its findings, it was Army staff - not Trump - expressing early reservations about a military intervention, while the Army secretary claimed he was never informed that the D.C. National Guard had a quick reaction force "ready to go" to the Capitol, just awaiting his approval.
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/north-americ... (show quote)


This is exactly why there needs to be a bipartisan commission examining this, and not the Kangaroo-court Star Chamber such as Pelosi has assembled. Queen Pelosi, Thompson, Schiff, Cheney, Filsinger, Raskin, and the others have a lot to answer for if and when the Republicans take back control of both houses of Congress.

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Jun 21, 2022 14:17:50   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
dtucker300 wrote:
OMG. Now I know you are even more bat s**t crazy than Pelosi!
And IF pigs could fly... IF IF IF... didn't.


Chump can't fly, but he attempted exactly what you deny.

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Jun 21, 2022 14:29:59   #
moldyoldy
 
dtucker300 wrote:
This is exactly why there needs to be a bipartisan commission examining this, and not the Kangaroo-court Star Chamber such as Pelosi has assembled. Queen Pelosi, Thompson, Schiff, Cheney, Filsinger, Raskin, and the others have a lot to answer for if and when the Republicans take back control of both houses of Congress.



Trump is being convicted by testimony from his own people and lawyers. You want to blame anyone else instead of trump.





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