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May 8, 2022 22:21:23   #
iFrank Loc: San Antonio
 
When Christ arrives I gather that the souls to be born in this earth age should mark the end of it, the spiritual children of God will have all been born. Does the offspring of satan know that aborted individuals will have a return ticket to Heaven, the good, bad and the ugly including those evil ones who undermine His good children. I wonder if some will have to be born into this earth age again because of this loophole. How many illegal stowaways have been aborted and what percentage are they, as it is appointed once unto man to be born. Hum.?

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May 19, 2022 00:14:13   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Almost Heaven
 
iFrank wrote:
When Christ arrives I gather that the souls to be born in this earth age should mark the end of it, the spiritual children of God will have all been born. Does the offspring of satan know that aborted individuals will have a return ticket to Heaven, the good, bad and the ugly including those evil ones who undermine His good children. I wonder if some will have to be born into this earth age again because of this loophole. How many illegal stowaways have been aborted and what percentage are they, as it is appointed once unto man to be born. Hum.?
When Christ arrives I gather that the souls to be ... (show quote)

People will be born in the millennium.

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May 19, 2022 06:30:49   #
iFrank Loc: San Antonio
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
People will be born in the millennium.


The millennium is a thousand years and the second advent will have occurred which in a twinkling of an eye, everybody will be in spiritual form, Christ Jesus will be here on earth. The marriage feast will have started and the door will be shut, the foolish virgins will be knocking on the door and Christ will tell them, I never knew you. Weeping and wailing will be the result for not knowing what Christ foretold us in His Word. It’s very clearly stated in the Bible. I thought you knew the sequence of events that lead up to the 1000 years. Here’s a heads up, the first earth age we were here in spiritual bodies and in heaven, sin was found out and everyone had to be born and choose whether we follow the world or GOD, we’re in this second earth age.

The third heaven age or earth age starts when Christ steps onto earth and we’re all changed into spiritual bodies, at the end of the thousand years, the devil will be loosed to temp those who are on the left side of the gulf. Then the Great White Judgement will cause some to perish in the lake of fire.

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May 19, 2022 09:48:49   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Almost Heaven
 
iFrank wrote:
The millennium is a thousand years and the second advent will have occurred which in a twinkling of an eye, everybody will be in spiritual form, Christ Jesus will be here on earth. The marriage feast will have started and the door will be shut, the foolish virgins will be knocking on the door and Christ will tell them, I never knew you. Weeping and wailing will be the result for not knowing what Christ foretold us in His Word. It’s very clearly stated in the Bible. I thought you knew the sequence of events that lead up to the 1000 years. Here’s a heads up, the first earth age we were here in spiritual bodies and in heaven, sin was found out and everyone had to be born and choose whether we follow the world or GOD, we’re in this second earth age.

The third heaven age or earth age starts when Christ steps onto earth and we’re all changed into spiritual bodies, at the end of the thousand years, the devil will be loosed to temp those who are on the left side of the gulf. Then the Great White Judgement will cause some to perish in the lake of fire.
The millennium is a thousand years and the second ... (show quote)

Very little of your post is true.
Everyone will not be in spiritual form at the second coming. The body of Christ, the church, will be, from the rapture which is at least 3 1/2, to 7 years earlier, no one else on earth. Thessalonians 4:17.
The marriage feast will have ended before the 2nd coming.
That we were here on earth in spiritual bodies before we were born is heretical.
God knew us in the womb, not the air of the earth.
You need a different teacher.

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May 19, 2022 11:03:46   #
iFrank Loc: San Antonio
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
Very little of your post is true.
Everyone will not be in spiritual form at the second coming. The body of Christ, the church, will be, from the rapture which is at least 3 1/2, to 7 years earlier, no one else on earth. Thessalonians 4:17.
The marriage feast will have ended before the 2nd coming.
That we were here on earth in spiritual bodies before we were born is heretical.
God knew us in the womb, not the air of the earth.
You need a different teacher.


In 4:17 that you referenced, the Thessalonians, like you and others, overlooked some words like air which is spiritual bodies and cloud is like a dense cluster of people, so Paul had to write the second letter clarifying that we will not leave until Christ gets here, but not before the 666 is here. We will be delivered up unto death which is satan. In 1st Thes 3:4 as an example; For verily, when we were with you ( first Thes letter), we (Paul, Silas and Timothy) told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know. Keep reading to 4:13 when Paul states: But I would not have you to be ignorant brethren, concerning them which are sleeping (passed on), that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. Verse 15 states we which are not dead but alive and we will not see Christ until the seventh trump and God will bring with Him the ones who sleep (are in heaven) in Christ, (prevent means not to be before the ones who died in Christ, not after or before the rapture b/c they are in heaven with Christ) will be here in the spirit body before we, the flesh gets changed into spiritual bodies.

As stated in Verse 17, that after Christ arrives which is the 7th trump. So 2 Thess 2;1 spell it out exactly what the sequence is and has a second witness in the Good Book. So on the contrary, your spiritual leader is under par even to the point that you may be with a dead church as stated in Revelation, 5 of 7 church's are not with Christ, that He removed His (light) candle stick from them. The only way to catch the rapture is to pass on right now in this earth age, because you might become "the working in the field who is taken". Choose your way, you / we have to answer to Him.

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May 19, 2022 13:39:29   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
iFrank wrote:
When Christ arrives I gather that the souls to be born in this earth age should mark the end of it, the spiritual children of God will have all been born. Does the offspring of satan know that aborted individuals will have a return ticket to Heaven, the good, bad and the ugly including those evil ones who undermine His good children. I wonder if some will have to be born into this earth age again because of this loophole. How many illegal stowaways have been aborted and what percentage are they, as it is appointed once unto man to be born. Hum.?
When Christ arrives I gather that the souls to be ... (show quote)


You haven't one word of substantiating Scripture here.

The Bible is the written Word of God, as inspired to the Prophets and Apostles through the Holy Spirit, and subsequently understood by mankind ever since through the indwelling Holy Spirit.

What you are spouting is pure science fiction. Never are there "illegal stowaways" among the souls of aborted infants.

In no way is this garbage substantiated by Scripture. Human babies are not born bad, ugly or evil... All are precious in God's sight.

Jesus' disciples (then and now), struggle with pride and self-importance. Jesus’ remedy was to lift up the attitude and trusting humility of children as our example, worthy of emulating. His followers were obsessed with obtaining and displaying their own future greatness, and were in every way reflecting worldly standards in this respect. Jesus understood this to be succumbing to a trap set by Satan, who had attempted to snare Jesus Christ in this same way in the wilderness (Luke 4:6).

Not only did Jesus make time to spend with children in order to bless them, he was blessed by their presence, as He said that to such as they belong the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus constantly turned the worldly notion of king and kingdom on its head, causing many to turn away from him. Only those with “ears to hear” (Mark 4:12) would be able to accept this counter-cultural message that so denies the natural inclination of sinful man.

Genesis 1:1 could have started out, "Jesus said." But here the written Word relates the Word spoken, by the Word who became flesh (John 1:14). All Scripture is infallible. All of it is inspired. All is instrumental in revealing fundamental truth about God’s nature and that he desires each of us to operate in faith and with humility.

Children are not punished for the sins committed by their parents; neither are parents punished for the sins of their children. Each of us is responsible for our own sins. Ezekiel 18:20: "The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son."

Everyone is born with the propensity (inclination) to sin, but until old enough to have self awareness, cannot be guilty of committing sin.

Matthew 19:14 "Jesus said, Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

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May 19, 2022 14:21:54   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
Very little of your post is true.
Everyone will not be in spiritual form at the second coming. The body of Christ, the church, will be, from the rapture which is at least 3 1/2, to 7 years earlier, no one else on earth. Thessalonians 4:17.
The marriage feast will have ended before the 2nd coming.
That we were here on earth in spiritual bodies before we were born is heretical.
God knew us in the womb, not the air of the earth.
You need a different teacher.


[David said] "Now the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 'Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.'" Galatians 1:15

When Christ appears in the air in His glorified resurrected body to rapture us (1st Thessalonians 4:13-17), He is coming for us; whereas, at His 2nd coming, He will return to earth with us, His raptured church, for we will accompany Him in our resurrected bodies!

The spurious claim that our pre-birth bodyless spirits were somehow here roaming the earth before our birth is Comic Book stuff. It's not that far from the demands that Joseph Smith and the Mormon hierarchy made upon Mormon women, when he taught that it is the duty of every Mormon woman to have a baby every year of her life from puberty to menopause, because God has warehoused stacks of souls in heaven, each awaiting a human body to inhabit.

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May 19, 2022 15:16:49   #
iFrank Loc: San Antonio
 
You hadn’t replied and now that me and Marty are communicating you decided to insert your two cents, your NWR.

Zemirah wrote:
You haven't one word of substantiating Scripture here.

The Bible is the written Word of God, as inspired to the Prophets and Apostles through the Holy Spirit, and subsequently understood by mankind ever since through the indwelling Holy Spirit.

What you are spouting is pure science fiction. Never are there "illegal stowaways" among the souls of aborted infants.

In no way is this garbage substantiated by Scripture. Human babies are not born bad, ugly or evil... All are precious in God's sight.

Jesus' disciples (then and now), struggle with pride and self-importance. Jesus’ remedy was to lift up the attitude and trusting humility of children as our example, worthy of emulating. His followers were obsessed with obtaining and displaying their own future greatness, and were in every way reflecting worldly standards in this respect. Jesus understood this to be succumbing to a trap set by Satan, who had attempted to snare Jesus Christ in this same way in the wilderness (Luke 4:6).

Not only did Jesus make time to spend with children in order to bless them, he was blessed by their presence, as He said that to such as they belong the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus constantly turned the worldly notion of king and kingdom on its head, causing many to turn away from him. Only those with “ears to hear” (Mark 4:12) would be able to accept this counter-cultural message that so denies the natural inclination of sinful man.

Genesis 1:1 could have started out, "Jesus said." But here the written Word relates the Word spoken, by the Word who became flesh (John 1:14). All Scripture is infallible. All of it is inspired. All is instrumental in revealing fundamental truth about God’s nature and that he desires each of us to operate in faith and with humility.

Children are not punished for the sins committed by their parents; neither are parents punished for the sins of their children. Each of us is responsible for our own sins. Ezekiel 18:20: "The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son."

Everyone is born with the propensity (inclination) to sin, but until old enough to have self awareness, cannot be guilty of committing sin.

Matthew 19:14 "Jesus said, Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
You haven't one word of substantiating Scripture h... (show quote)

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May 19, 2022 23:24:24   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Almost Heaven
 
iFrank wrote:
You hadn’t replied and now that me and Marty are communicating you decided to insert your two cents, your NWR.


Frank, she is right. You’ve got to look at some other teachers your eschatology is dead wrong and I emphasize the dead! Look into it, Thessalonians 4:13-17 shows how are you not correct here, Corinthians 15:52 also. I know you don’t like her but Zemirah knows exactly what’s going on. You can trust her, but as usual, you should check it yourself like the Bereans.

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May 20, 2022 05:56:36   #
iFrank Loc: San Antonio
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
Frank, she is right. You’ve got to look at some other teachers your eschatology is dead wrong and I emphasize the dead! Look into it, Thessalonians 4:13-17 shows how are you not correct here, Corinthians 15:52 also. I know you don’t like her but Zemirah knows exactly what’s going on. You can trust her, but as usual, you should check it yourself like the Bereans.


You go on your merry way, your line by line precept are not studied to the root word. Got questions? Find them quick your soul depends on it, for death rides a fast horse going to see who he can devour.

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May 20, 2022 06:18:16   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
iFrank wrote:
You hadn’t replied and now that me and Marty are communicating you decided to insert your two cents, your NWR.


The only way to secure a two-party conversation on an open forum, Frank, is to send and receive PMs (Private Messages).

Any member, by definition, is allowed to participate in a thread posted on the open forum.

It is immaterial to me with who, you are or are not commenting.

You are under no obligation to respond to my posts, or to any particular post. That is your choice.

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May 20, 2022 06:31:05   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
Frank, she is right. You’ve got to look at some other teachers your eschatology is dead wrong and I emphasize the dead! Look into it, Thessalonians 4:13-17 shows how are you not correct here, Corinthians 15:52 also. I know you don’t like her but Zemirah knows exactly what’s going on. You can trust her, but as usual, you should check it yourself like the Bereans.


Thank you, Marty, I think.

Being liked or disliked never occurs to me, nor is it a goal. I'm indifferent.

Proclaiming and Defending the Word of God (Jude 1:3) is my only intent.

No one ever actually knows anyone on an internet forum... therefore, I take nothing personally.

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May 20, 2022 08:30:35   #
iFrank Loc: San Antonio
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
Frank, she is right. You’ve got to look at some other teachers your eschatology is dead wrong and I emphasize the dead! Look into it, Thessalonians 4:13-17 shows how are you not correct here, Corinthians 15:52 also. I know you don’t like her but Zemirah knows exactly what’s going on. You can trust her, but as usual, you should check it yourself like the Bereans.


Well along with your bible interpretations, you have gone to presume that I know someone well enough to say I don't like someone. Quote "I know you don’t like her but Zemirah knows exactly what’s going on". Nuff said.

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May 20, 2022 09:56:28   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Almost Heaven
 
iFrank wrote:
You hadn’t replied and now that me and Marty are communicating you decided to insert your two cents, your NWR.


This condescending post is why I presumed that you didn’t like her. You were offended.
You seem to be a person who wears their emotions on their sleeves.
You can believe whatever you want, but I believe you have some “rhema” issues. Romans 10:17, states that you should be taught by the Bible and not people.

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May 20, 2022 10:31:46   #
iFrank Loc: San Antonio
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
This condescending post is why I presumed that you didn’t like her. You were offended.
You seem to be a person who wears their emotions on their sleeves.
You can believe whatever you want, but I believe you have some “rhema” issues. Romans 10:17, states that you should be taught by the Bible and not people.


Ha your hilarious.

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