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May 3, 2022 17:28:28   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
By Rev. Franklin Graham
May 3, 2022

For decades, a war has been raging against Biblical Christianity that goes under the seemingly innocent name of “progressive Christianity.”

It has cropped up in the halls of seminaries, infiltrated the pulpits of thousands of churches and been propagated by a godless liberal media. It is bent on casting doubt and undermining the foundational principles of God’s Word.

Many of the Apostle Paul’s letters were written to churches that were experiencing serious doctrinal errors. One of his sternest was penned to the church in Galatia, which is part of modern-day Turkey. In it, he launched into a stern rebuke for the teaching that had polluted the Galatian church:

Galatians 1:6-9 KJV – “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”

In the case of the Galatians, Paul was specifically addressing their attempt to return to the demands of the law rather than continuing to live by grace through faith in the sacrificial, atoning work of the cross of Jesus Christ. Such an attempt wasn’t just a really bad idea; it actually would result in living under God’s curse, not His favor.

I would say the exact same warning applies today to the advocates of progressive Christianity. They deceitfully promote and proclaim what I believe is clearly a “different gospel, which is really no Gospel at all.”

Let me say that again—progressive Christianity is not a Gospel at all. It has nothing to do with the Gospel of Christ’s death, burial and resurrection. It results in nothing but spiritual confusion and chaos.

Here’s the problem.

Progressive Christianity denies the divinely inspired, authoritative truth of the Bible as it intersects every facet of living. For example, although Scripture clearly says that marriage is between one man and one woman, proponents of progressive Christianity twist and distort the truth of God’s Word on sexuality, focusing on such nonsensical trends as gender identity. They deny God’s distinction of the sexes, and instead invent their own misguided standards, unguided by the Word of God. The degrading cultural influences that embrace such movements as gay marriage have more sway on their beliefs than the Bible does.

When the topic of justice is discussed, progressive Christianity is primarily concerned with the issues of social and racial justice (which the Bible does address), but most often neglects the far more fundamental issue of God’s justice—how a holy and just God deals with sinful and wicked men.

And when it comes to the matter of personal sin, progressive Christianity most frequently fails to see the ruinous consequences of mankind’s depraved, sinful state. Biblical teaching on the precious blood of Christ, the sacrificial, substitutionary, atoning work of Christ’s death on the cross, is too often neglected or distorted.

So the real, ultimate danger is that progressive Christianity can send a person to hell.

I know that sounds harsh, but it’s true.

To reject the deity of Christ is to deny Christ and doom yourself to an eternity spent in hell.

To love darkness more than light will end in an eternity in hell.

To hope that good works alone will earn salvation, while rejecting the gift of everlasting life through faith in Christ alone, will lead straight into the eternal abyss.

To deny the fullness of the Trinity—God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit—can risk a person spending their eternity separated from the glory and splendor of God Almighty.

Do you see how anything other than orthodox, Biblical Christianity can be so dangerous and deadly? That’s why the Apostle Paul called down a curse on those who preach a different gospel than the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Here’s how Paul precisely defined the Gospel: “Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures” (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, NKJV).

This is the only saving Gospel. Preachers must faithfully proclaim it from the pulpit if they want their congregants to be convicted of their sin and to trust solely in the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of their sins. Praise and worship have their place in the church, but there is no substitute for pastors preaching the power of the cross and the resurrection.

Pastors today must “Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry” (2 Timothy 4:2-5, NKJV).

There’s certainly nothing very forward thinking about progressive Christianity. It actually regresses into unbiblical thinking and living, and it will put a person’s very soul in eternal jeopardy.

Evangelicals need to guard the truth of genuine Scriptural preaching and living, remaining true and bold about exactly what the Bible clearly teaches. There is no other way to be saved and secured for all eternity.

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May 3, 2022 18:50:03   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Almost Heaven
 
Zemirah wrote:
By Rev. Franklin Graham
May 3, 2022

For decades, a war has been raging against Biblical Christianity that goes under the seemingly innocent name of “progressive Christianity.”

It has cropped up in the halls of seminaries, infiltrated the pulpits of thousands of churches and been propagated by a godless liberal media. It is bent on casting doubt and undermining the foundational principles of God’s Word.

Many of the Apostle Paul’s letters were written to churches that were experiencing serious doctrinal errors. One of his sternest was penned to the church in Galatia, which is part of modern-day Turkey. In it, he launched into a stern rebuke for the teaching that had polluted the Galatian church:

Galatians 1:6-9 KJV – “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”

In the case of the Galatians, Paul was specifically addressing their attempt to return to the demands of the law rather than continuing to live by grace through faith in the sacrificial, atoning work of the cross of Jesus Christ. Such an attempt wasn’t just a really bad idea; it actually would result in living under God’s curse, not His favor.

I would say the exact same warning applies today to the advocates of progressive Christianity. They deceitfully promote and proclaim what I believe is clearly a “different gospel, which is really no Gospel at all.”

Let me say that again—progressive Christianity is not a Gospel at all. It has nothing to do with the Gospel of Christ’s death, burial and resurrection. It results in nothing but spiritual confusion and chaos.

Here’s the problem.

Progressive Christianity denies the divinely inspired, authoritative truth of the Bible as it intersects every facet of living. For example, although Scripture clearly says that marriage is between one man and one woman, proponents of progressive Christianity twist and distort the truth of God’s Word on sexuality, focusing on such nonsensical trends as gender identity. They deny God’s distinction of the sexes, and instead invent their own misguided standards, unguided by the Word of God. The degrading cultural influences that embrace such movements as gay marriage have more sway on their beliefs than the Bible does.

When the topic of justice is discussed, progressive Christianity is primarily concerned with the issues of social and racial justice (which the Bible does address), but most often neglects the far more fundamental issue of God’s justice—how a holy and just God deals with sinful and wicked men.

And when it comes to the matter of personal sin, progressive Christianity most frequently fails to see the ruinous consequences of mankind’s depraved, sinful state. Biblical teaching on the precious blood of Christ, the sacrificial, substitutionary, atoning work of Christ’s death on the cross, is too often neglected or distorted.

So the real, ultimate danger is that progressive Christianity can send a person to hell.

I know that sounds harsh, but it’s true.

To reject the deity of Christ is to deny Christ and doom yourself to an eternity spent in hell.

To love darkness more than light will end in an eternity in hell.

To hope that good works alone will earn salvation, while rejecting the gift of everlasting life through faith in Christ alone, will lead straight into the eternal abyss.

To deny the fullness of the Trinity—God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit—can risk a person spending their eternity separated from the glory and splendor of God Almighty.

Do you see how anything other than orthodox, Biblical Christianity can be so dangerous and deadly? That’s why the Apostle Paul called down a curse on those who preach a different gospel than the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Here’s how Paul precisely defined the Gospel: “Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures” (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, NKJV).

This is the only saving Gospel. Preachers must faithfully proclaim it from the pulpit if they want their congregants to be convicted of their sin and to trust solely in the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of their sins. Praise and worship have their place in the church, but there is no substitute for pastors preaching the power of the cross and the resurrection.

Pastors today must “Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry” (2 Timothy 4:2-5, NKJV).

There’s certainly nothing very forward thinking about progressive Christianity. It actually regresses into unbiblical thinking and living, and it will put a person’s very soul in eternal jeopardy.

Evangelicals need to guard the truth of genuine Scriptural preaching and living, remaining true and bold about exactly what the Bible clearly teaches. There is no other way to be saved and secured for all eternity.
By Rev. Franklin Graham br May 3, 2022 br br For ... (show quote)

There’s a lot of them out there too.
Some here on this site.
If you’re not convicted of your sins, and repent, you’re going to experience the second death.

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May 3, 2022 21:54:26   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
There’s a lot of them out there too.
Some here on this site.
If you’re not convicted of your sins, and repent, you’re going to experience the second death.



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May 3, 2022 21:55:03   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Zemirah wrote:
By Rev. Franklin Graham
May 3, 2022

For decades, a war has been raging against Biblical Christianity that goes under the seemingly innocent name of “progressive Christianity.”

It has cropped up in the halls of seminaries, infiltrated the pulpits of thousands of churches and been propagated by a godless liberal media. It is bent on casting doubt and undermining the foundational principles of God’s Word.

Many of the Apostle Paul’s letters were written to churches that were experiencing serious doctrinal errors. One of his sternest was penned to the church in Galatia, which is part of modern-day Turkey. In it, he launched into a stern rebuke for the teaching that had polluted the Galatian church:

Galatians 1:6-9 KJV – “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”

In the case of the Galatians, Paul was specifically addressing their attempt to return to the demands of the law rather than continuing to live by grace through faith in the sacrificial, atoning work of the cross of Jesus Christ. Such an attempt wasn’t just a really bad idea; it actually would result in living under God’s curse, not His favor.

I would say the exact same warning applies today to the advocates of progressive Christianity. They deceitfully promote and proclaim what I believe is clearly a “different gospel, which is really no Gospel at all.”

Let me say that again—progressive Christianity is not a Gospel at all. It has nothing to do with the Gospel of Christ’s death, burial and resurrection. It results in nothing but spiritual confusion and chaos.

Here’s the problem.

Progressive Christianity denies the divinely inspired, authoritative truth of the Bible as it intersects every facet of living. For example, although Scripture clearly says that marriage is between one man and one woman, proponents of progressive Christianity twist and distort the truth of God’s Word on sexuality, focusing on such nonsensical trends as gender identity. They deny God’s distinction of the sexes, and instead invent their own misguided standards, unguided by the Word of God. The degrading cultural influences that embrace such movements as gay marriage have more sway on their beliefs than the Bible does.

When the topic of justice is discussed, progressive Christianity is primarily concerned with the issues of social and racial justice (which the Bible does address), but most often neglects the far more fundamental issue of God’s justice—how a holy and just God deals with sinful and wicked men.

And when it comes to the matter of personal sin, progressive Christianity most frequently fails to see the ruinous consequences of mankind’s depraved, sinful state. Biblical teaching on the precious blood of Christ, the sacrificial, substitutionary, atoning work of Christ’s death on the cross, is too often neglected or distorted.

So the real, ultimate danger is that progressive Christianity can send a person to hell.

I know that sounds harsh, but it’s true.

To reject the deity of Christ is to deny Christ and doom yourself to an eternity spent in hell.

To love darkness more than light will end in an eternity in hell.

To hope that good works alone will earn salvation, while rejecting the gift of everlasting life through faith in Christ alone, will lead straight into the eternal abyss.

To deny the fullness of the Trinity—God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit—can risk a person spending their eternity separated from the glory and splendor of God Almighty.

Do you see how anything other than orthodox, Biblical Christianity can be so dangerous and deadly? That’s why the Apostle Paul called down a curse on those who preach a different gospel than the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Here’s how Paul precisely defined the Gospel: “Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures” (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, NKJV).

This is the only saving Gospel. Preachers must faithfully proclaim it from the pulpit if they want their congregants to be convicted of their sin and to trust solely in the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of their sins. Praise and worship have their place in the church, but there is no substitute for pastors preaching the power of the cross and the resurrection.

Pastors today must “Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry” (2 Timothy 4:2-5, NKJV).

There’s certainly nothing very forward thinking about progressive Christianity. It actually regresses into unbiblical thinking and living, and it will put a person’s very soul in eternal jeopardy.

Evangelicals need to guard the truth of genuine Scriptural preaching and living, remaining true and bold about exactly what the Bible clearly teaches. There is no other way to be saved and secured for all eternity.
By Rev. Franklin Graham br May 3, 2022 br br For ... (show quote)



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May 4, 2022 09:45:40   #
sabath
 
If Franklin wants to keep the commandments of God the father and God the son, why does he preach a different 4th commandment? does he know that the "grave" is not eternal hell.

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May 4, 2022 09:48:02   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Almost Heaven
 
sabath wrote:
If Franklin wants to keep the commandments of God the father and God the son, why does he preach a different 4th commandment? does he know that the "grave" is not eternal hell.


Please explain why you said that.
Thanks Marty

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May 4, 2022 16:21:26   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
sabath wrote:
If Franklin wants to keep the commandments of God the father and God the son, why does he preach a different 4th commandment? does he know that the "grave" is not eternal hell.


Sabath, You have four phrases that require separating.

1. If [Rev.] Franklin [Graham] wants to keep the commandments

2. of God the Father and God the Son,

3. why does he preach a different 4th commandment?

4. Does he know that the "grave" is not eternal hell.[?]

1a. You've given no evidence that Franklin Graham does not keep," to the best of his ability ("the whole council of God"), the commandments of the Triune God, a Godhood encompassing Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

"And God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all his work which God created and made," (Genesis 2:3).

Colossians 2:16 "Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath."

It is well understood that: Salvation is available only through faith in Jesus Christ. He paid our sin-debt of death in full,(Romans 14).
Christians must be born again through faith in what Christ accomplished on the cross - not rituals, nor through a specific day of worship, or the food they ate or did not eat.

Sabbath means, Rest; cessation of work.
Saturday means, the seventh day of the week.
Sunday means, the first day of the week.
It is not in which day, but in Whom we worship.
Set aside one day of the week as a day of rest.
Every day is a day of worship, with no one day being more important than another.

2a. God exists in three individual, distinct and unique Persons within the Trinity, comprising the Triune One, perfectly unified Godhood, sharing the same nature and essence, and all the One God.

3a. Again, you've given no evidence that Rev. Franklin Graham is, as an Evangelist under the New Covenant of grace, preaching a "different" 4th commandment, in opposition to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

The Apostle James, the elder, presiding over the Jerusalem council of 50 A.D., rendered the decision on the matter of "Gentiles and the Law" (Acts 15) that it is not right to *"trouble" the Gentiles with the Law:

19 “Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles,
20 but that we write to them that they abstain 1) from things contaminated by idols and 2) from fornication and from 3) what is strangled and 4) from blood.
28 “For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials:
29 that you 1) abstain from things sacrificed to idols and 2) from blood and 3) from things strangled and 4) from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well."

The verb *παρενοχλέω is used only in this passage in the New Testament. This same term in 2nd Maccabees 11:31, centuries earlier relates in a text that Greek authorities permit the Jews to "enjoy their own food and laws" without being "troubled" over their keeping of religious boundary markers like circumcision or food laws; here, in Acts, it is the guidance of the Holy Spirit that Gentile converts to Jesus are not to be placed under the burden of Old Testament Law.

4a. You quote no Scripture as a cause for either Rev. Franklin Graham or you to believe "the grave" within itself is eternal. for when a Christian dies, only the body goes into the grave; the soul and spirit go immediately to be with the Lord Jesus awaiting the body's resurrection, when they're joined together to be forever with the Lord.

Every nonbeliever awaits the Great White Throne Judgement of the lost, pictured in Revelation 20:11-15.
In Greek, there are two words for hell. One is Tartarus, used only once, a temporary holding place. The other is Gehenna, used twelve times in the new testament to describe hell as not temporary but eternal.

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May 4, 2022 19:07:55   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Almost Heaven
 
Zemirah wrote:
Sabath, You have four phrases that require separating.

1. If [Rev.] Franklin [Graham] wants to keep the commandments

2. of God the Father and God the Son,

3. why does he preach a different 4th commandment?

4. Does he know that the "grave" is not eternal hell.[?]

1a. You've given no evidence that Franklin Graham does not keep," to the best of his ability ("the whole council of God"), the commandments of the Triune God, a Godhood encompassing Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

"And God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all his work which God created and made," (Genesis 2:3).

Colossians 2:16 "Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath."

It is well understood that: Salvation is available only through faith in Jesus Christ. He paid our sin-debt of death in full,(Romans 14).
Christians must be born again through faith in what Christ accomplished on the cross - not rituals, nor through a specific day of worship, or the food they ate or did not eat.

Sabbath means, Rest; cessation of work.
Saturday means, the seventh day of the week.
Sunday means, the first day of the week.
It is not in which day, but in Whom we worship.
Set aside one day of the week as a day of rest.
Every day is a day of worship, with no one day being more important than another.

2a. God exists in three individual, distinct and unique Persons within the Trinity, comprising the Triune One, perfectly unified Godhood, sharing the same nature and essence, and all the One God.

3a. Again, you've given no evidence that Rev. Franklin Graham is, as an Evangelist under the New Covenant of grace, preaching a "different" 4th commandment, in opposition to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

The Apostle James, the elder, presiding over the Jerusalem council of 50 A.D., rendered the decision on the matter of "Gentiles and the Law" (Acts 15) that it is not right to *"trouble" the Gentiles with the Law:

19 “Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles,
20 but that we write to them that they abstain 1) from things contaminated by idols and 2) from fornication and from 3) what is strangled and 4) from blood.
28 “For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials:
29 that you 1) abstain from things sacrificed to idols and 2) from blood and 3) from things strangled and 4) from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well."

The verb *παρενοχλέω is used only in this passage in the New Testament. This same term in 2nd Maccabees 11:31, centuries earlier relates in a text that Greek authorities permit the Jews to "enjoy their own food and laws" without being "troubled" over their keeping of religious boundary markers like circumcision or food laws; here, in Acts, it is the guidance of the Holy Spirit that Gentile converts to Jesus are not to be placed under the burden of Old Testament Law.

4a. You quote no Scripture as a cause for either Rev. Franklin Graham or you to believe "the grave" within itself is eternal. for when a Christian dies, only the body goes into the grave; the soul and spirit go immediately to be with the Lord Jesus awaiting the body's resurrection, when they're joined together to be forever with the Lord.

Every nonbeliever awaits the Great White Throne Judgement of the lost, pictured in Revelation 20:11-15.
In Greek, there are two words for hell. One is Tartarus, used only once, a temporary holding place. The other is Gehenna, used twelve times in the new testament to describe hell as not temporary but eternal.
Sabath, You have four phrases that require separat... (show quote)


Bet you that’s not the end of it.

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May 4, 2022 23:16:48   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
Bet you that’s not the end of it.


"Bet you" is a common expression, but I don't "wager;" day to day life, is a sufficient gamble.

Did you know that seventeenth-century French philosopher, theologian, mathematician, and physicist, Blaise Pascal (1623–1662) has a philosophical argument called "Pascal's wager." It is a philosophical argument that posits his belief that human beings wager with their lives that God either exists or does not.

Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (sacrificing some earthly pleasures, luxuries, etc.), whereas if God does exist, he stands to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (an eternity in Hell).

That was off topic.

Whenever someone posts to a thread, and I would like to be able to respond, but the post is undecipherable, looking at their previous posts sometimes give a clue to their intended meaning...
____________________________________________________________________________________
Sabath has the following post on Feb 12, 2019 on the thread titled: "Nancy Pelosi Tries to Quote the Bible, Fails Miserably":
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-152679-2.html

"God promised Abram the riches that we enjoy today, but he had to delay the promise 1260 years because the people broke the covenant. We did not earn this land, it was given to us starting in the 1800's.It's called the 13th tribe!"

The following posts of Sabath are from his Oct 18, 2021 thread: "The lost 10 tribes of Israel:" https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-228490-1.html

10/18/21
"When God made a covenant with Abram,That was the beginning of the nation of Israel. The Bible was written for and about the scepter and the birthright of Israel, which began in 1800-1803
And the 13th tribe of Joseph's sons. America!"

10/29/21
"Judea is not part of the lost 10 tribes! The first time the "Jews" were mentioned, Judea was at war with Israel. They became two different nations, with two different kings.
the Jews were given the Scepter, the birth right was given Israel, read-Gen.48 about Jacob."

Oct 30, 2021
"this is not a theory, it's in the Holy Bible!"

11/2/21
"What you say ,I agree with,what I am saying is ,follow the sons of Joseph and you will find the beginning of Britton & America. Also, the throne of David is with queen Elizabeth."

11/3/21
"I did not say Jesus was not a Jew! Someone else said that."

11/4/21
"What I am saying is Jesus was and is not a jew! He said they were of Saten."
_____________________________________________________________________________________

That sounds like some brand of British Israelism, with Sabbath Keeping and anti-Semitism thrown in.

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May 4, 2022 23:53:47   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Almost Heaven
 
Zemirah wrote:
"Bet you" is a common expression, but I don't "wager;" day to day life, is a sufficient gamble.

Did you know that seventeenth-century French philosopher, theologian, mathematician, and physicist, Blaise Pascal (1623–1662) has a philosophical argument called "Pascal's wager." It is a philosophical argument that posits his belief that human beings wager with their lives that God either exists or does not.

Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (sacrificing some earthly pleasures, luxuries, etc.), whereas if God does exist, he stands to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (an eternity in Hell).

That was off topic.

Whenever someone posts to a thread, and I would like to be able to respond, but the post is undecipherable, looking at their previous posts sometimes give a clue to their intended meaning...
____________________________________________________________________________________
Sabath has the following post on Feb 12, 2019 on the thread titled: "Nancy Pelosi Tries to Quote the Bible, Fails Miserably":
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-152679-2.html

"God promised Abram the riches that we enjoy today, but he had to delay the promise 1260 years because the people broke the covenant. We did not earn this land, it was given to us starting in the 1800's.It's called the 13th tribe!"

The following posts of Sabath are from his Oct 18, 2021 thread: "The lost 10 tribes of Israel:" https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-228490-1.html

10/18/21
"When God made a covenant with Abram,That was the beginning of the nation of Israel. The Bible was written for and about the scepter and the birthright of Israel, which began in 1800-1803
And the 13th tribe of Joseph's sons. America!"

10/29/21
"Judea is not part of the lost 10 tribes! The first time the "Jews" were mentioned, Judea was at war with Israel. They became two different nations, with two different kings.
the Jews were given the Scepter, the birth right was given Israel, read-Gen.48 about Jacob."

Oct 30, 2021
"this is not a theory, it's in the Holy Bible!"

11/2/21
"What you say ,I agree with,what I am saying is ,follow the sons of Joseph and you will find the beginning of Britton & America. Also, the throne of David is with queen Elizabeth."

11/3/21
"I did not say Jesus was not a Jew! Someone else said that."

11/4/21
"What I am saying is Jesus was and is not a jew! He said they were of Saten."
_____________________________________________________________________________________

That sounds like some brand of British Israelism, with Sabbath Keeping and anti-Semitism thrown in.
img src="https://static.onepoliticalplaza.com/ima... (show quote)


Well I’ll start at the bottom so there’s no where to go but up.
Jesus is a Jew, He’s the Lion of Judah!

David’s throne is in London? No way!
It’s in Jerusalem, and always will be.

Joseph’s son’s are a mystery to me, but not to God.

I agree that Judah is not of the 10 lost tribes.

The 10/18 post is ridiculous.

The opener is twisted. God promised Abraham that he would receive the land and that he would father multiple nations, with descendants as plentiful as the sand.
No mention of America or Britton, although it seems likely that due to the dispersal, there’s some of the little flock here.

Paschal and his wager. I love it.
I used to be in the world, 8 years ago I was born again and now I believe God. I used to only believe in Him.
Praise Him from whom all blessings flow!

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May 5, 2022 12:28:59   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Jesus prayer for His Disciples in the 17th chapter of John reveals that though we are still in the world physically, we are NO longer in the world, spiritually... for by God's grace, we are anchored by the indwelling Holy Spirit, through our faith in Jesus Christ, to Him in His Heavenly Realm.

This is why the world hates us... Their spirit in always at odds with the Holy Spirit within us.

"The One who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world” (1st John 4:4). The contrast is between the Holy Spirit and the spirit of the antichrist; God is greater than Satan.

[Jesus prayed to God the Father] John 17th Chapter:

6 "I have revealed Your name to those You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours; You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.

9 "I ask on their behalf. I do not ask on behalf of the world, but on behalf of those You have given Me; for they are Yours.

11 "I will no longer be in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to You. Holy Father, protect them by Your name, the name You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one.

12 "While I was with them, I protected and preserved them by Your name, the name You gave Me. Not one of them has been lost, except the son of destruction, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.

13 "But now I am coming to You; and I am saying these things while I am in the world, so that they may have My joy fulfilled within them.

14 "I have given them Your word and the world has hated them; for they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

15 "I am not asking that You take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the evil one.

16 "They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

17 "Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth.

18 "As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world.

Jesus extends his prayer to all His future Believers throughout the Church Age.

20 "I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message [the Gospel]."


Marty 2020 wrote:
Well I’ll start at the bottom so there’s no where to go but up.
Jesus is a Jew, He’s the Lion of Judah!

David’s throne is in London? No way!
It’s in Jerusalem, and always will be.

Joseph’s son’s are a mystery to me, but not to God.

I agree that Judah is not of the 10 lost tribes.

The 10/18 post is ridiculous.

The opener is twisted. God promised Abraham that he would receive the land and that he would father multiple nations, with descendants as plentiful as the sand.
No mention of America or Britton, although it seems likely that due to the dispersal, there’s some of the little flock here.

Paschal and his wager. I love it.
I used to be in the world, 8 years ago I was born again and now I believe God. I used to only believe in Him.
Praise Him from whom all blessings flow!
Well I’ll start at the bottom so there’s no where ... (show quote)

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May 5, 2022 13:05:34   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Almost Heaven
 
Zemirah wrote:
Jesus prayer for His Disciples in the 17th chapter of John reveals that though we are still in the world physically, we are NO longer in the world, spiritually... for by God's grace, we are anchored by the indwelling Holy Spirit, through our faith in Jesus Christ, to Him in His Heavenly Realm.

This is why the world hates us... Their spirit in always at odds with the Holy Spirit within us.

"The One who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world” (1st John 4:4). The contrast is between the Holy Spirit and the spirit of the antichrist; God is greater than Satan.

[Jesus prayed to God the Father] John 17th Chapter:

6 "I have revealed Your name to those You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours; You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.

9 "I ask on their behalf. I do not ask on behalf of the world, but on behalf of those You have given Me; for they are Yours.

11 "I will no longer be in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to You. Holy Father, protect them by Your name, the name You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one.

12 "While I was with them, I protected and preserved them by Your name, the name You gave Me. Not one of them has been lost, except the son of destruction, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.

13 "But now I am coming to You; and I am saying these things while I am in the world, so that they may have My joy fulfilled within them.

14 "I have given them Your word and the world has hated them; for they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

15 "I am not asking that You take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the evil one.

16 "They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

17 "Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth.

18 "As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world.

Jesus extends his prayer to all His future Believers throughout the Church Age.

20 "I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message [the Gospel]."
Jesus prayer for His Disciples in the 17th chapter... (show quote)

I’ve always loved John 17

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May 5, 2022 15:22:41   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
I’ve always loved John 17


It is my favorite chapter in the Bible.

My Savior tells me who I am, where I am, and why I am here.

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Jun 17, 2022 12:21:17   #
sabath
 
Zemirah wrote:
By Rev. Franklin Graham
May 3, 2022

For decades, a war has been raging against Biblical Christianity that goes under the seemingly innocent name of “progressive Christianity.”

It has cropped up in the halls of seminaries, infiltrated the pulpits of thousands of churches and been propagated by a godless liberal media. It is bent on casting doubt and undermining the foundational principles of God’s Word.

Many of the Apostle Paul’s letters were written to churches that were experiencing serious doctrinal errors. One of his sternest was penned to the church in Galatia, which is part of modern-day Turkey. In it, he launched into a stern rebuke for the teaching that had polluted the Galatian church:

Galatians 1:6-9 KJV – “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”

In the case of the Galatians, Paul was specifically addressing their attempt to return to the demands of the law rather than continuing to live by grace through faith in the sacrificial, atoning work of the cross of Jesus Christ. Such an attempt wasn’t just a really bad idea; it actually would result in living under God’s curse, not His favor.

I would say the exact same warning applies today to the advocates of progressive Christianity. They deceitfully promote and proclaim what I believe is clearly a “different gospel, which is really no Gospel at all.”

Let me say that again—progressive Christianity is not a Gospel at all. It has nothing to do with the Gospel of Christ’s death, burial and resurrection. It results in nothing but spiritual confusion and chaos.

Here’s the problem.

Progressive Christianity denies the divinely inspired, authoritative truth of the Bible as it intersects every facet of living. For example, although Scripture clearly says that marriage is between one man and one woman, proponents of progressive Christianity twist and distort the truth of God’s Word on sexuality, focusing on such nonsensical trends as gender identity. They deny God’s distinction of the sexes, and instead invent their own misguided standards, unguided by the Word of God. The degrading cultural influences that embrace such movements as gay marriage have more sway on their beliefs than the Bible does.

When the topic of justice is discussed, progressive Christianity is primarily concerned with the issues of social and racial justice (which the Bible does address), but most often neglects the far more fundamental issue of God’s justice—how a holy and just God deals with sinful and wicked men.

And when it comes to the matter of personal sin, progressive Christianity most frequently fails to see the ruinous consequences of mankind’s depraved, sinful state. Biblical teaching on the precious blood of Christ, the sacrificial, substitutionary, atoning work of Christ’s death on the cross, is too often neglected or distorted.

So the real, ultimate danger is that progressive Christianity can send a person to hell.

I know that sounds harsh, but it’s true.

To reject the deity of Christ is to deny Christ and doom yourself to an eternity spent in hell.

To love darkness more than light will end in an eternity in hell.

To hope that good works alone will earn salvation, while rejecting the gift of everlasting life through faith in Christ alone, will lead straight into the eternal abyss.

To deny the fullness of the Trinity—God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit—can risk a person spending their eternity separated from the glory and splendor of God Almighty.

Do you see how anything other than orthodox, Biblical Christianity can be so dangerous and deadly? That’s why the Apostle Paul called down a curse on those who preach a different gospel than the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Here’s how Paul precisely defined the Gospel: “Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures” (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, NKJV).

This is the only saving Gospel. Preachers must faithfully proclaim it from the pulpit if they want their congregants to be convicted of their sin and to trust solely in the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of their sins. Praise and worship have their place in the church, but there is no substitute for pastors preaching the power of the cross and the resurrection.

Pastors today must “Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry” (2 Timothy 4:2-5, NKJV).

There’s certainly nothing very forward thinking about progressive Christianity. It actually regresses into unbiblical thinking and living, and it will put a person’s very soul in eternal jeopardy.

Evangelicals need to guard the truth of genuine Scriptural preaching and living, remaining true and bold about exactly what the Bible clearly teaches. There is no other way to be saved and secured for all eternity.
By Rev. Franklin Graham br May 3, 2022 br br For ... (show quote)


So what happened to the 4th commandment? or "remember my death,not my birth. don't nail a tree to the floor and decorate it. or if you are borne again you are a spirit,like the wind. and many more.

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Jun 17, 2022 12:34:44   #
sabath
 
sabath wrote:
If Franklin wants to keep the commandments of God the father and God the son, why does he preach a different 4th commandment? does he know that the "grave" is not eternal hell.


Franklin says" go to church on Sunday to worship God. God says go to work on Sunday and worship God on the Sabbath. Hell is another word for your grave, it is not eternal, you will stand up when he calls you!

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