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What does the Bible say about Reincarnation? ...and ultimately, why it matters.
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Mar 16, 2022 02:12:54   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
Zemirah wrote:
Hi Riley,

God's view:

Genesis 6:5 "Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great upon the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was altogether evil all the time."

The solution:

Biblical Christianity teaches that spiritual darkness always attempts to overtake the light that is God's truth (John 1:5), and Satan always attempts to subtly distort God's truth (John 8:44), in order to divert as many as he can snare into serving Him.

Those that do not know personally know Christ are blind to the moral implications of God’s law and remain in darkness, and under the control of Satan (2nd Cor. 4:3-6). We were all born into this darkness, and the Bible tells us "It is God's wish that no man should perish," - but for the Christian who has accepted God's free gift of Salvation through the reality of a personal relationship, Christ has called us out of spiritual darkness, into His light
(Col. 1:13).

Therefore the Christian’s battle is not against the woke media, the corrupt current government, the deviant school system of teachers and administrators, or Islam, or post-modern neo-nazism/marxism, but against Satan and his principalities and demonic forces of spiritual darkness who influence all the aforesaid worldly opponents to engage in war against the kingdom of Jesus Christ (Ephesians 6:10-12).

The motivation for a Christian is not future personal "eternal bliss" in heaven... The personal sense of "bliss" becomes a reality the moment we receive Christ.
Hi Riley, br br God's view: br br Genesis 6:5 &q... (show quote)

Everyone has a unique idea of what heaven is like.

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Mar 16, 2022 02:36:14   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Everyone has a unique idea of what heaven is like.


I'm perfectly content to have God surprise me.

There is an excellent book by a Christian author, Randy Alcorn that has now sold over a million copies- "Heaven: A Comprehensive Guide to Everything the Bible Says About Our Eternal Home"

(Clear Answers to 44 Real Questions About the Afterlife, Angels, Resurrection, and the Kingdom of God)

I haven't completely read it, for when I've purchased it, someone inevitably notices it, and I've given it to them...

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Mar 16, 2022 02:44:20   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
Zemirah wrote:
I'm perfectly content to have God surprise me.

There is an excellent book by a Christian author, Randy Alcorn that has now sold over a million copies- "Heaven: A Comprehensive Guide to Everything the Bible Says About Our Eternal Home"

(Clear Answers to 44 Real Questions About the Afterlife, Angels, Resurrection, and the Kingdom of God)

I haven't completely read it, for when I've purchased it, someone inevitably notices it, and I've given it to them...

There are lots of ideas about what heaven is like in the Bible.

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Mar 16, 2022 05:34:45   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
I appear to have left your initially posted comment today until last - having been long retired, and with no adherence to systematic routines or schedules.

Your last sentence is most profound: It is time to be assured there is truth available to you.

So you've been on this quest for information on reincarnation since approximately 1972?

I am absolutely positive that the Bible is ultimate truth, to which you may have access any time you so choose.

God's call to the Prophet Jeremiah,
Jeremiah 1:4 "The word of the LORD came to me, saying:
5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I set you apart and appointed you as my prophet to the nations.”

God also knew David in the womb, as He does each of us:
David's Psalm 139:13 "For You formed my inmost being; You knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14 I praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Marvelous are Your works, and I know this very well.
15 My frame was not hidden from You when I was made in secret, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.…
16 "Your eyes saw my unformed body; all my days were written in Your book and ordained for me before one of them came to be."

How many times have you read the Bible through since 1972? - or was that rejected out of hand?

Since 1980, I have researched Reincarnation and its parent belief, the Transmigration of Souls, after first studying Christianity, Christendom, Israeli history, Judaic history, Biblical history, Middle Eastern history, the stalwarts of Eastern Religious Mystical Thought (Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism, Taoism, Shintoism, Sindoism), Ancient World Religious History, Philosophy and Psychology (with their dingbat founders), Psychic Phenomena, the Paranormal, Neo-Christian Cults, non-Christian Cults, and the Occult.

Biblical Christianity teaches that the most loving thing a Christian can do for another person is to point them to the only hope they have, the only Savior of souls in the universe, Jesus Christ. Like a lone rescue boat in a vast ocean, He is the only hope for humanity (Acts 4:12).

(For me, after forty plus years, the irony of an accumulation of a personal library of 6,000 books; is that it is now possible to find much of the same information freely available on the internet, much quicker, and without the need to retype or scan it.)

1st Corinthians, 12th chapter, tells Christians how the Holy Spirit disburses spiritual gifts to all members of the body of Christ, all believers worldwide:

4 "There are different gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 There are different ministries, but the same Lord.
6 There are different ways of working, but the same God works all things in all people.
7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.

8 To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by the same Spirit,
9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit,
10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in various tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues.
11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, who apportions them to each one as He determines."

12 The body is a unit, though it is composed of many parts. And although its parts are many, they all form one body. So it is with Christ.
13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free, and we were all given one Spirit to drink.

14 For the body does not consist of one part, but of many.
15 If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body.
16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body.
17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be?

18 But in fact, God has arranged the members of the body, every one of them, according to His design.
19 If they were all one part, where would the body be?
20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
21 "The eye cannot say to the hand, “I do not need you.” Nor can the head say to the feet, “I do not need you.”

25 "so that there should be no division in the body, but that its members should have mutual concern for one another.
26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it."
27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each of you is a member of it."

This is Christianity as God designed it. Whenever we individually fall on our face, God picks us up, brushes us off, and we go on.

RascalRiley wrote:
What convinced me reincarnation is a logical possibility.

Fifty years ago I was challenged to change any fundamental belief I had and observe the results. I chose reincarnation.

This resulted in ideas I would not have had and info I would not have seen had not been seeking.

I was looking for an explanation for the fact that some are born with more God given gifts or talents then others.
I came to the realization that we grow a little bit each lifetime. We are at various stages on our journeys.
There seemed to be a universal life force we are all part of as well.

I have identified three things I think we transition with and have the opportunity to grow each lifetime.

– Self discipline
Child prodigies practice for long hours.

– Our ability to connection with source, our intuition.
CEO’s often make snap decisions base on very little info.

– Our ability to connect with other people, empathy.
Life is better for people who can connect easily with others.

This, like all beliefs is only a theory.
The only thing I am absolutely positive of is that I am not privy to the ultimate truth.

As an old guy, soon to make his maker, this gives lots to ponder.
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Mar 16, 2022 09:24:08   #
Rose42
 
RascalRiley wrote:
I would like to discuss this. That is a lot of ideas.

I have my ideas on what we retain from existence to existence.


Do you think its endless reincarnation? If not then at what point does it stop?

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Mar 16, 2022 11:23:45   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
Rose42 wrote:
Do you think its endless reincarnation? If not then at what point does it stop?

I think it is endless.

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Mar 16, 2022 11:45:10   #
Rose42
 
RascalRiley wrote:
I think it is endless.


What is the purpose if there is no end? Just asking. I’d find that discouraging.

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Mar 16, 2022 11:53:55   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
Rose42 wrote:
What is the purpose if there is no end? Just asking. I’d find that discouraging.

I have no idea. Seems to me life would be boring if we do not have challenges and opportunities for growth.

That is something that confused me about the eternal bliss theory of heaven. Seemed sort of vegetatively.

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Mar 16, 2022 13:03:15   #
Rose42
 
RascalRiley wrote:
I have no idea. Seems to me life would be boring if we do not have challenges and opportunities for growth.


I think it would be too. We have opportunities for growth every day.

I know you’re not a Christian but if interested in learning more there’s a ministry called Living Waters (livingwaters.com) that asks questions in a non judgemental way trying to get people to think. Ray Comfort has videos on youtube aresome are better than others…

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Mar 16, 2022 14:10:59   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
Rose42 wrote:
I think it would be too. We have opportunities for growth every day.

I know you’re not a Christian but if interested in learning more there’s a ministry called Living Waters (livingwaters.com) that asks questions in a non judgemental way trying to get people to think. Ray Comfort has videos on youtube aresome are better than others…


Unless someone is drawn by the HS, it’s jibberish. The gospel is the tool.
I’m not saying that it’s not worth a try, but I’ve probed it a little bit with him and recieved just darkness and silence.
Happy hunting.

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Mar 16, 2022 14:26:09   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
Unless someone is drawn by the HS, it’s jibberish. The gospel is the tool.
I’m not saying that it’s not worth a try, but I’ve probed it a little bit with him and recieved just darkness and silence.
Happy hunting.

You do not seem to understand that other people can have firmly held ideas that differ from yours. You believing something does not make it truth.

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Mar 16, 2022 15:01:32   #
Rose42
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
Unless someone is drawn by the HS, it’s jibberish. The gospel is the tool.
I’m not saying that it’s not worth a try, but I’ve probed it a little bit with him and recieved just darkness and silence.
Happy hunting.


With some it takes longer than others. It took longer than it should have with me.

Comfort does use the gospel. I like his approach.

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Mar 16, 2022 15:12:22   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
Rose42 wrote:
With some it takes longer than others. It took longer than it should have with me.

Comfort does use the gospel. I like his approach.


Agreed.

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Mar 17, 2022 01:26:17   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
RascalRiley wrote:
One can live one’s life with Christian principles but not believe in eternal bliss.

Heaven might just be a stop on the journey. A stop for everyone.


Being good and having good values can keep you out of jail, but not hell.

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Mar 17, 2022 01:49:50   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
Being good and having good values can keep you out of jail, but not hell.

Hell my or may not be real.

It is a belief of many that those who do not conform and follow the same vengeful God are condemned to eternal damnation. Eons of torture.

Seems unlikely to me.

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