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Jan 17, 2022 15:33:29   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
President Trump makes a deal with big Pharm to develop v*****es for C19.
Big Pharm comes up with some by applying, for the first time for humans, a technology using m**A.
But part of the deal is that Big Pharm is made immune from law suits for side affects, including death.
We are promised the new v*****es will protect us from C19, except possibly in a few instances of bad reactions and for the very rare 'breakthrough' cases.
Then Joe Biden becomes President.
Now comes repeated attempts to make the v*****e mandatory.
During the year of 2021, we learn:
1. The v*****es are not really v*****es, but a treatment. It does not produce immunity, but only milder cases.
2. The C19 treatments formerly known as v*****es, do not prevent people from being carriers of C19, and spreading it.
3. The government will not produce dependable guidelines, or dependable numbers of deaths from the T formerly known as V, nor the number of serious or severe reactions.
4. F***i lied to us repeatedly.
5. US tax dollars were used to fund gain-of-function of SARS related v***ses.
6. Breakthrough cases of jabbed people are not rare. They are very common.
7. No one, including the CDC or A. F***i has a single credible idea what the long term affects of being jabbed with the TfkaV. Afterall, the first people to receive this new type of treatment was only a little over a year ago.
8. In spite of CDC and White House claims, there is no indication that a TfkaV will do anything to help produce herd immunity, since taking the jab is not preventing catching C19 or spreading it.
9. The life insurance companies are now denying people who died after being jabbed with the TfkaV, saying that it is an experimental treatment and so is not covered by the life insurance policies.

Now, will someone please tell me what part I got wrong?

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Jan 17, 2022 15:44:43   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
RandyBrian wrote:
President Trump makes a deal with big Pharm to develop v*****es for C19.
Big Pharm comes up with some by applying, for the first time for humans, a technology using m**A.
But part of the deal is that Big Pharm is made immune from law suits for side affects, including death.
We are promised the new v*****es will protect us from C19, except possibly in a few instances of bad reactions and for the very rare 'breakthrough' cases.
Then Joe Biden becomes President.
Now comes repeated attempts to make the v*****e mandatory.
During the year of 2021, we learn:
1. The v*****es are not really v*****es, but a treatment. It does not produce immunity, but only milder cases.
2. The C19 treatments formerly known as v*****es, do not prevent people from being carriers of C19, and spreading it.
3. The government will not produce dependable guidelines, or dependable numbers of deaths from the T formerly known as V, nor the number of serious or severe reactions.
4. F***i lied to us repeatedly.
5. US tax dollars were used to fund gain-of-function of SARS related v***ses.
6. Breakthrough cases of jabbed people are not rare. They are very common.
7. No one, including the CDC or A. F***i has a single credible idea what the long term affects of being jabbed with the TfkaV. Afterall, the first people to receive this new type of treatment was only a little over a year ago.
8. In spite of CDC and White House claims, there is no indication that a TfkaV will do anything to help produce herd immunity, since taking the jab is not preventing catching C19 or spreading it.
9. The life insurance companies are now denying people who died after being jabbed with the TfkaV, saying that it is an experimental treatment and so is not covered by the life insurance policies.

Now, will someone please tell me what part I got wrong?
President Trump makes a deal with big Pharm to dev... (show quote)


The part where you thought our government cared about you and made the v*****e to help us

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Jan 17, 2022 16:46:57   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
RandyBrian wrote:
President Trump makes a deal with big Pharm to develop v*****es for C19.
Big Pharm comes up with some by applying, for the first time for humans, a technology using m**A.
But part of the deal is that Big Pharm is made immune from law suits for side affects, including death.
We are promised the new v*****es will protect us from C19, except possibly in a few instances of bad reactions and for the very rare 'breakthrough' cases.
Then Joe Biden becomes President.
Now comes repeated attempts to make the v*****e mandatory.
During the year of 2021, we learn:
1. The v*****es are not really v*****es, but a treatment. It does not produce immunity, but only milder cases.
2. The C19 treatments formerly known as v*****es, do not prevent people from being carriers of C19, and spreading it.
3. The government will not produce dependable guidelines, or dependable numbers of deaths from the T formerly known as V, nor the number of serious or severe reactions.
4. F***i lied to us repeatedly.
5. US tax dollars were used to fund gain-of-function of SARS related v***ses.
6. Breakthrough cases of jabbed people are not rare. They are very common.
7. No one, including the CDC or A. F***i has a single credible idea what the long term affects of being jabbed with the TfkaV. Afterall, the first people to receive this new type of treatment was only a little over a year ago.
8. In spite of CDC and White House claims, there is no indication that a TfkaV will do anything to help produce herd immunity, since taking the jab is not preventing catching C19 or spreading it.
9. The life insurance companies are now denying people who died after being jabbed with the TfkaV, saying that it is an experimental treatment and so is not covered by the life insurance policies.

Now, will someone please tell me what part I got wrong?
President Trump makes a deal with big Pharm to dev... (show quote)


Believing false stores has led you astray. Here's a little history about mRra v*****es. Too make it easy, I've added a link:
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-m**a-v*****es.

I'll paraphrase in case you don't wish to click the link: m**a delivery was discovered in the 60s, research to discover how they could be delivered into cells to place in the 70s. It took developments in nanotechnology to move the process further. Some will claim this is made up, f**e, false info by "Them". Believe what you wish. Just so you know, the University of Pennsylvania is researching using Mnra v*****es (not c***d v*****e but mRra delivery) to treat cardiac fibrosis. Hopefully, you don't think this is another conspiracy.

Here's the link if you're interested:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/9115477002

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Jan 17, 2022 17:02:24   #
Sonny Magoo Loc: Where pot pie is boiled in a kettle
 
RandyBrian wrote:
President Trump makes a deal with big Pharm to develop v*****es for C19.
Big Pharm comes up with some by applying, for the first time for humans, a technology using m**A.
But part of the deal is that Big Pharm is made immune from law suits for side affects, including death.
We are promised the new v*****es will protect us from C19, except possibly in a few instances of bad reactions and for the very rare 'breakthrough' cases.
Then Joe Biden becomes President.
Now comes repeated attempts to make the v*****e mandatory.
During the year of 2021, we learn:
1. The v*****es are not really v*****es, but a treatment. It does not produce immunity, but only milder cases.
2. The C19 treatments formerly known as v*****es, do not prevent people from being carriers of C19, and spreading it.
3. The government will not produce dependable guidelines, or dependable numbers of deaths from the T formerly known as V, nor the number of serious or severe reactions.
4. F***i lied to us repeatedly.
5. US tax dollars were used to fund gain-of-function of SARS related v***ses.
6. Breakthrough cases of jabbed people are not rare. They are very common.
7. No one, including the CDC or A. F***i has a single credible idea what the long term affects of being jabbed with the TfkaV. Afterall, the first people to receive this new type of treatment was only a little over a year ago.
8. In spite of CDC and White House claims, there is no indication that a TfkaV will do anything to help produce herd immunity, since taking the jab is not preventing catching C19 or spreading it.
9. The life insurance companies are now denying people who died after being jabbed with the TfkaV, saying that it is an experimental treatment and so is not covered by the life insurance policies.

Now, will someone please tell me what part I got wrong?
President Trump makes a deal with big Pharm to dev... (show quote)


Well, #7 for sure.
These people know exactly what is coming

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Jan 17, 2022 17:08:04   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
Believing false stores has led you astray. Here's a little history about mRra v*****es. Too make it easy, I've added a link:
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-m**a-v*****es.

I'll paraphrase in case you don't wish to click the link: m**a delivery was discovered in the 60s, research to discover how they could be delivered into cells to place in the 70s. It took developments in nanotechnology to move the process further. Some will claim this is made up, f**e, false info by "Them". Believe what you wish. Just so you know, the University of Pennsylvania is researching using Mnra v*****es (not c***d v*****e but mRra delivery) to treat cardiac fibrosis. Hopefully, you don't think this is another conspiracy.

Here's the link if you're interested:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/9115477002
Believing false stores has led you astray. Here's... (show quote)


I remember when if you had a m**A shot you could no longer donate blood.

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Jan 17, 2022 18:23:35   #
Gatsby
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
Believing false stores has led you astray. Here's a little history about mRra v*****es. Too make it easy, I've added a link:
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-m**a-v*****es.

I'll paraphrase in case you don't wish to click the link: m**a delivery was discovered in the 60s, research to discover how they could be delivered into cells to place in the 70s. It took developments in nanotechnology to move the process further. Some will claim this is made up, f**e, false info by "Them". Believe what you wish. Just so you know, the University of Pennsylvania is researching using Mnra v*****es (not c***d v*****e but mRra delivery) to treat cardiac fibrosis. Hopefully, you don't think this is another conspiracy.

Here's the link if you're interested:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/9115477002
Believing false stores has led you astray. Here's... (show quote)


Your sources are just as screwed up as your post is.

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Jan 17, 2022 19:03:14   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
Gatsby wrote:
Your sources are just as screwed up as your post is.


Well, I guess we know the reality in which you live

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Jan 17, 2022 20:20:36   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
Believing false stores has led you astray. Here's a little history about mRra v*****es. Too make it easy, I've added a link:
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-m**a-v*****es.

I'll paraphrase in case you don't wish to click the link: m**a delivery was discovered in the 60s, research to discover how they could be delivered into cells to place in the 70s. It took developments in nanotechnology to move the process further. Some will claim this is made up, f**e, false info by "Them". Believe what you wish. Just so you know, the University of Pennsylvania is researching using Mnra v*****es (not c***d v*****e but mRra delivery) to treat cardiac fibrosis. Hopefully, you don't think this is another conspiracy.

Here's the link if you're interested:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/9115477002
Believing false stores has led you astray. Here's... (show quote)


I don't see that your post addresses the post by Randy but it is interesting if not actually true. My first degrees were in molecular Biology. I studied under guys who studied under Delbruck and were contemporaries of Watson and Crick in on the ground floor of DNA/RNA science and sequencing technology. One was a pioneer in electron microscopy who invented radar jamming for Germany, one cloned the first gene onto a plasmid, one is the father of plasmid science and his initials are in the name of most known plasmids, and one was fired by Delbruck and later Delbruck tried to rehire him because of his work characterizing RNA polymerase, the main enzyme used to produce m**A within cells as their genes are expressed. I know what I think and can guess that they would get a bit of a laugh out of your claims regarding the "carrier" system used to get m**A into cells these days. But still, it is interesting and is not magic or Jekyll and Hyde science.

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Jan 18, 2022 09:49:58   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
Believing false stores has led you astray. Here's a little history about mRra v*****es. Too make it easy, I've added a link:
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-m**a-v*****es.

I'll paraphrase in case you don't wish to click the link: m**a delivery was discovered in the 60s, research to discover how they could be delivered into cells to place in the 70s. It took developments in nanotechnology to move the process further. Some will claim this is made up, f**e, false info by "Them". Believe what you wish. Just so you know, the University of Pennsylvania is researching using Mnra v*****es (not c***d v*****e but mRra delivery) to treat cardiac fibrosis. Hopefully, you don't think this is another conspiracy.

Here's the link if you're interested:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/9115477002
Believing false stores has led you astray. Here's... (show quote)


Okay. How does this, in any way, change what I posted??? I did not repeat a single conspiracy theory. Just stated credible and proven facts.

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Jan 18, 2022 09:57:33   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
By the way, I forgot something for the list. A couple of Texas based doctors have developed a C19 v*****e that really IS a v*****e.....developed with the same technology and techniques used to create traditional v*****es. India is buying and using hundreds of millions of doses, but no one in the USA is much interested in using it. Apparently because it can be administered for less than $2 per dose.

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Jan 18, 2022 10:09:16   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Okay. How does this, in any way, change what I posted??? I did not repeat a single conspiracy theory. Just stated credible and proven facts.


I guess #1, you're partially correct, it's a v*****e, not an immunization.
2. Immunized people carry the v***s. If you're immunized, you don't get as sick. Those not immunized, I don't know.
3 & 4 are false.
5. I don't know what g**n of f******n means. Perhaps you mean "seed" money?
6. Related to own 1, yes those immunized can get sick, not as severely as those not immunized. The majority dying are not immunized.
7 & 8 no false
9. I don't know

My opinion on this obviously. I've gotten immunized, I trust my doctors, not opinion pieces on the internet written by has beens & failed journalist pushing conspiracy theories. I think I'm right. If so, I'll live. If not, I doubt you'll survive if over 70% of the country is k**led off. You and other survivalists may exist for awhile, but life will suck & in the end, you'll succomb to invaders or you'll become prey. Either way, the end won't be pretty.

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Jan 18, 2022 10:19:13   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I don't see that your post addresses the post by Randy but it is interesting if not actually true. My first degrees were in molecular Biology. I studied under guys who studied under Delbruck and were contemporaries of Watson and Crick in on the ground floor of DNA/RNA science and sequencing technology. One was a pioneer in electron microscopy who invented radar jamming for Germany, one cloned the first gene onto a plasmid, one is the father of plasmid science and his initials are in the name of most known plasmids, and one was fired by Delbruck and later Delbruck tried to rehire him because of his work characterizing RNA polymerase, the main enzyme used to produce m**A within cells as their genes are expressed. I know what I think and can guess that they would get a bit of a laugh out of your claims regarding the "carrier" system used to get m**A into cells these days. But still, it is interesting and is not magic or Jekyll and Hyde science.
I don't see that your post addresses the post by R... (show quote)


You should have laid it out, nwtk!!! You know what's going down with the m**A skeptisim from all involved in using it, within cells as their genes are expressed… You should probably start right there though because a number of people are not going to understand what you mean by their genes are expressed…. Does it change or not change and does it dissipate or not for starters, please..

The article she posted is interesting for sure..…

Irrelevant to the thread itself but yes interesting.

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Jan 18, 2022 10:20:41   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
RandyBrian wrote:
President Trump makes a deal with big Pharm to develop v*****es for C19.
Big Pharm comes up with some by applying, for the first time for humans, a technology using m**A.
But part of the deal is that Big Pharm is made immune from law suits for side affects, including death.
We are promised the new v*****es will protect us from C19, except possibly in a few instances of bad reactions and for the very rare 'breakthrough' cases.
Then Joe Biden becomes President.
Now comes repeated attempts to make the v*****e mandatory.
During the year of 2021, we learn:
1. The v*****es are not really v*****es, but a treatment. It does not produce immunity, but only milder cases.
2. The C19 treatments formerly known as v*****es, do not prevent people from being carriers of C19, and spreading it.
3. The government will not produce dependable guidelines, or dependable numbers of deaths from the T formerly known as V, nor the number of serious or severe reactions.
4. F***i lied to us repeatedly.
5. US tax dollars were used to fund gain-of-function of SARS related v***ses.
6. Breakthrough cases of jabbed people are not rare. They are very common.
7. No one, including the CDC or A. F***i has a single credible idea what the long term affects of being jabbed with the TfkaV. Afterall, the first people to receive this new type of treatment was only a little over a year ago.
8. In spite of CDC and White House claims, there is no indication that a TfkaV will do anything to help produce herd immunity, since taking the jab is not preventing catching C19 or spreading it.
9. The life insurance companies are now denying people who died after being jabbed with the TfkaV, saying that it is an experimental treatment and so is not covered by the life insurance policies.

Now, will someone please tell me what part I got wrong?
President Trump makes a deal with big Pharm to dev... (show quote)


Great post Randy. Highlighting the major issues while we continue to live with what the left denies…

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Jan 18, 2022 11:27:04   #
Ricktloml
 
RandyBrian wrote:
By the way, I forgot something for the list. A couple of Texas based doctors have developed a C19 v*****e that really IS a v*****e.....developed with the same technology and techniques used to create traditional v*****es. India is buying and using hundreds of millions of doses, but no one in the USA is much interested in using it. Apparently because it can be administered for less than $2 per dose.


Although I haven't been looking for such news, I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere. Thanks for sharing.

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Jan 18, 2022 14:23:15   #
JoyV
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
I guess #1, you're partially correct, it's a v*****e, not an immunization.
2. Immunized people carry the v***s. If you're immunized, you don't get as sick. Those not immunized, I don't know.
3 & 4 are false.
5. I don't know what g**n of f******n means. Perhaps you mean "seed" money?
6. Related to own 1, yes those immunized can get sick, not as severely as those not immunized. The majority dying are not immunized.
7 & 8 no false
9. I don't know

My opinion on this obviously. I've gotten immunized, I trust my doctors, not opinion pieces on the internet written by has beens & failed journalist pushing conspiracy theories. I think I'm right. If so, I'll live. If not, I doubt you'll survive if over 70% of the country is k**led off. You and other survivalists may exist for awhile, but life will suck & in the end, you'll succomb to invaders or you'll become prey. Either way, the end won't be pretty.
I guess #1, you're partially correct, it's a v****... (show quote)



V*****e definition:
A v*****e is a biological pr********n that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease. A v*****e typically contains an agent that resembles a disease-causing microorganism and is often made from weakened or k**led forms of the microbe, its toxins, or one of its surface proteins. The agent stimulates the body's i****e s****m to recognize the agent as a threat, destroy it, and to further recognize and destroy any of the microorganisms associated with that agent that it may encounter in the future. V*****es can be prophylactic, or therapeutic. Some v*****es offer full sterilizing immunity, in which infection is prevented completely.

G**n of F******n: (according to a research paper on the NIH site)
Gain-of-function (GOF) research involves experimentation that aims or is expected to (and/or, perhaps, actually does) increase the t***smissibility and/or virulence of pathogens.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4996883/#:~:text=Gain-of-function%20%28GOF%29%20research%20involves%20experimentation%20that%20aims%20or,does%29%20increase%20the%20t***smissibility%20and%2For%20virulence%20of%20pathogens.

The nine assertions in the original post fact checked by myself:
1- TRUE. The m**A shots do not fit the definition.

2-TRUE.

3-TRUE. In countries where numbers are kept of those hospitalized or who died broken down by v******tion status, the numbers are higher for the latter.

4-TRUE. And documented.

5-TRUE. Documentation that US tax dollars did go to fund g**n of f******n research, and more specifically such research at the W***n lab. Which is a Chinese military lab.

6-UNKNOWN as to M*****a and P****r. Without numbers being kept we only know case by case of those publicized or those we know of personally.

7-TRUE.

8-TRUE. But evidence it is unlikely to do so.

9-Don't know if true of all insurance companies, but don't know of a single case of a payout from a death from an m**A "v*****e" A case was brought against an insurance company in France who denied payout and the judge ruled that insurance companies do not have to cover for experimental medications and characterized dying from taking an experimental drug to be the same as committing suicide. https://freewestmedia.com/2022/01/14/life-insurer-refuses-to-cover-v*****e-death/

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