V**er Picture I. D. Yes or no? Why? #1
The left is saying it is needed to preserve Democracy and save America from the Republicans and to give and preserve v****g rights for everyone in America. Citizen or not. Those of us on the Right see it as the Federal Government taking control of all v****g rights from the Constitution mandated States for themselves, and at the detriment of the Republicans. Serious charges from both sides. But what is the best solution?
So, how about a serious debate, no slurs or cheap shots, no Trump or biden, just common sense, and logic, and fairness for all. Just what should the law be and should it be up to the states within certain broad parameters Federally mandated.
The first issue is V**er I. D. And only v**er I. D. and/or picture I. D.
All to often I hear from Democrats that b****s can't get I. D, and that would deprive them of a right to v**e. And then the b****s themselves disprove that. Actually, they should be insulted by these w****s that think they are so superior that they have to protect the poor b****s. Yes, there are a lot of b****s that aren't reaching the sky on the intellectual level, or to poor to get around to get an I. D. Well, there are probably more w****s in that same position. They're poor and it happens to all the races. And yes, some are not to smart or educated. But from what I heard, the states that are demanding v**er I. D. laws, already have them, or have options available for every citizen to get that v**er I. D. for free. It is required in poorer countries then America.
The e******n judges have a right to know if the person seeking to v**e is who they say they are. Sorry, but your word isn't good enough. This isn't even about being registered or not. Just who the hell are you.
Since everyone can get an I. D. there should be no excuse to not have one to v**e. You need one for so damn many other things in life, it is almost impossible to get around without one.
Now as for picture I. D. Many people have the same name as a parent for example. If the parent was deceased, or otherwise unable to v**e, or just doesn't want to v**e, the son or daughter could flash an I. D. of the same name and just v**e for them. Obviously not right and criminal. Just one example calling for picture I. D. Another example is personal. Every e******n I go to in Chicago, I flash them my drivers license and they actually refuset to look at it. They just want me to say my name, find it on the list, sign here and here is you b****t. Anyone could come in and identify as me, and if they had a copy of my signature just scribble anything similar to it and it would be accepted. They don't even look at it. But this is Chicago and they assume I'll v**e Democrat so I'm acceptable. Probably the same in Republican areas.
Democrats, please disprove my analysis with reason, common sense and logic if you can. I'd really like to hear why you think picture I. D. or just I. D. is not necessary to v**e. Remember, this is about you and your reasons. No long articles by some pundit or self professed authority or heavens of a politician. Your thoughts.
And if we can keep this to a civil discussion, maybe we can try another one in a day or two, like legal age to v**e and why. Felons v****g and why. Non citizens v****g and why.
Logically Right
LogicallyRight wrote:
The left is saying it is needed to preserve Democracy and save America from the Republicans and to give and preserve v****g rights for everyone in America. Citizen or not. Those of us on the Right see it as the Federal Government taking control of all v****g rights from the Constitution mandated States for themselves, and at the detriment of the Republicans. Serious charges from both sides. But what is the best solution?
So, how about a serious debate, no slurs or cheap shots, no Trump or biden, just common sense, and logic, and fairness for all. Just what should the law be and should it be up to the states within certain broad parameters Federally mandated.
The first issue is V**er I. D. And only v**er I. D. and/or picture I. D.
All to often I hear from Democrats that b****s can't get I. D, and that would deprive them of a right to v**e. And then the b****s themselves disprove that. Actually, they should be insulted by these w****s that think they are so superior that they have to protect the poor b****s. Yes, there are a lot of b****s that aren't reaching the sky on the intellectual level, or to poor to get around to get an I. D. Well, there are probably more w****s in that same position. They're poor and it happens to all the races. And yes, some are not to smart or educated. But from what I heard, the states that are demanding v**er I. D. laws, already have them, or have options available for every citizen to get that v**er I. D. for free. It is required in poorer countries then America.
The e******n judges have a right to know if the person seeking to v**e is who they say they are. Sorry, but your word isn't good enough. This isn't even about being registered or not. Just who the hell are you.
Since everyone can get an I. D. there should be no excuse to not have one to v**e. You need one for so damn many other things in life, it is almost impossible to get around without one.
Now as for picture I. D. Many people have the same name as a parent for example. If the parent was deceased, or otherwise unable to v**e, or just doesn't want to v**e, the son or daughter could flash an I. D. of the same name and just v**e for them. Obviously not right and criminal. Just one example calling for picture I. D. Another example is personal. Every e******n I go to in Chicago, I flash them my drivers license and they actually refuset to look at it. They just want me to say my name, find it on the list, sign here and here is you b****t. Anyone could come in and identify as me, and if they had a copy of my signature just scribble anything similar to it and it would be accepted. They don't even look at it. But this is Chicago and they assume I'll v**e Democrat so I'm acceptable. Probably the same in Republican areas.
Democrats, please disprove my analysis with reason, common sense and logic if you can. I'd really like to hear why you think picture I. D. or just I. D. is not necessary to v**e. Remember, this is about you and your reasons. No long articles by some pundit or self professed authority or heavens of a politician. Your thoughts.
And if we can keep this to a civil discussion, maybe we can try another one in a day or two, like legal age to v**e and why. Felons v****g and why. Non citizens v****g and why.
Logically Right
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I think you are starting at step two. Step one should be whether everyone should v**e or not.
It is my opinion that while everyone should be encouraged to v**e, not everyone should v**e. There should be a basic number of steps a participating citizen should have to take before being allowed to v**e; to ensure that v****g means something to the v**er.
Accommodation should be made for people who can't get to the polls, but none should be made for people who would just rather not stand in line.
A person should be invested enough in his/her citizenship to honestly care about the e******n. Making v****g easy is one thing, making it effortless makes it meaningless.
Depending on the answer to this question, should everyone be a v**er, that will determine the answer to what you have asked.
JW wrote:
I think you are starting at step two. Step one should be whether everyone should v**e or not.
It is my opinion that while everyone should be encouraged to v**e, not everyone should v**e. There should be a basic number of steps a participating citizen should have to take before being allowed to v**e; to ensure that v****g means something to the v**er.
Accommodation should be made for people who can't get to the polls, but none should be made for people who would just rather not stand in line.
A person should be invested enough in his/her citizenship to honestly care about the e******n. Making v****g easy is one thing, making it effortless makes it meaningless.
Depending on the answer to this question, should everyone be a v**er, that will determine the answer to what you have asked.
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I agree with a lot of what you said. Perhaps that could be another subject to entertain.
My posting this thread was mainly a reaction to this stupid bill that the Democrats want to force through on America. I thought by disseminating it piece by piece we might get some interesting discussion on point by point. Hopefully there will be more input. I'm surprised the left isn't defending their bill on this point so we can get started on some serious discussion on OPP. But if they don't, then I guess they agree with v**er picture I. D.
Logically Right
LogicallyRight wrote:
I agree with a lot of what you said. Perhaps that could be another subject to entertain.
My posting this thread was mainly a reaction to this stupid bill that the Democrats want to force through on America. I thought by disseminating it piece by piece we might get some interesting discussion on point by point. Hopefully there will be more input. I'm surprised the left isn't defending their bill on this point so we can get started on some serious discussion on OPP. But if they don't, then I guess they agree with v**er picture I. D.
Logically Right
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Which bill are you specifying? There are at least three they are pushing, and they are all nutso.
LogicallyRight wrote:
The left is saying it is needed to preserve Democracy and save America from the Republicans and to give and preserve v****g rights for everyone in America. Citizen or not. Those of us on the Right see it as the Federal Government taking control of all v****g rights from the Constitution mandated States for themselves, and at the detriment of the Republicans. Serious charges from both sides. But what is the best solution?
So, how about a serious debate, no slurs or cheap shots, no Trump or biden, just common sense, and logic, and fairness for all. Just what should the law be and should it be up to the states within certain broad parameters Federally mandated.
The first issue is V**er I. D. And only v**er I. D. and/or picture I. D.
All to often I hear from Democrats that b****s can't get I. D, and that would deprive them of a right to v**e. And then the b****s themselves disprove that. Actually, they should be insulted by these w****s that think they are so superior that they have to protect the poor b****s. Yes, there are a lot of b****s that aren't reaching the sky on the intellectual level, or to poor to get around to get an I. D. Well, there are probably more w****s in that same position. They're poor and it happens to all the races. And yes, some are not to smart or educated. But from what I heard, the states that are demanding v**er I. D. laws, already have them, or have options available for every citizen to get that v**er I. D. for free. It is required in poorer countries then America.
The e******n judges have a right to know if the person seeking to v**e is who they say they are. Sorry, but your word isn't good enough. This isn't even about being registered or not. Just who the hell are you.
Since everyone can get an I. D. there should be no excuse to not have one to v**e. You need one for so damn many other things in life, it is almost impossible to get around without one.
Now as for picture I. D. Many people have the same name as a parent for example. If the parent was deceased, or otherwise unable to v**e, or just doesn't want to v**e, the son or daughter could flash an I. D. of the same name and just v**e for them. Obviously not right and criminal. Just one example calling for picture I. D. Another example is personal. Every e******n I go to in Chicago, I flash them my drivers license and they actually refuset to look at it. They just want me to say my name, find it on the list, sign here and here is you b****t. Anyone could come in and identify as me, and if they had a copy of my signature just scribble anything similar to it and it would be accepted. They don't even look at it. But this is Chicago and they assume I'll v**e Democrat so I'm acceptable. Probably the same in Republican areas.
Democrats, please disprove my analysis with reason, common sense and logic if you can. I'd really like to hear why you think picture I. D. or just I. D. is not necessary to v**e. Remember, this is about you and your reasons. No long articles by some pundit or self professed authority or heavens of a politician. Your thoughts.
And if we can keep this to a civil discussion, maybe we can try another one in a day or two, like legal age to v**e and why. Felons v****g and why. Non citizens v****g and why.
Logically Right
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Identifying legitimate v**ers is a must, keeping in mind that every citizen has a right ( and to my mind, an obligation ) to v**e, REGARDLESS of their partisan/ideological bent or lack there of. Photo ID's are a must for nearly everything and are easily obtained, so requiring one to go with ( or replace ) one's v***r r**********n is not a stretch. That being said, in my State, every time our legislature attempts to pass v**er ID laws.....................they can't resist adding all kinds of other crap designed to increase their odds of holding onto power and THAT must not be allowed to happen.
lpnmajor wrote:
Identifying legitimate v**ers is a must, keeping in mind that every citizen has a right ( and to my mind, an obligation ) to v**e, REGARDLESS of their partisan/ideological bent or lack there of. Photo ID's are a must for nearly everything and are easily obtained, so requiring one to go with ( or replace ) one's v***r r**********n is not a stretch. That being said, in my State, every time our legislature attempts to pass v**er ID laws.....................they can't resist adding all kinds of other crap designed to increase their odds of holding onto power and THAT must not be allowed to happen.
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MajorPain, what other "crap" are you referring to? Please be specific. I really want to know. It's always been the Democrats that are doing things to ensure that they always win.
LogicallyRight wrote:
The left is saying it is needed to preserve Democracy and save America from the Republicans and to give and preserve v****g rights for everyone in America. Citizen or not. Those of us on the Right see it as the Federal Government taking control of all v****g rights from the Constitution mandated States for themselves, and at the detriment of the Republicans. Serious charges from both sides. But what is the best solution?
So, how about a serious debate, no slurs or cheap shots, no Trump or biden, just common sense, and logic, and fairness for all. Just what should the law be and should it be up to the states within certain broad parameters Federally mandated.
The first issue is V**er I. D. And only v**er I. D. and/or picture I. D.
All to often I hear from Democrats that b****s can't get I. D, and that would deprive them of a right to v**e. And then the b****s themselves disprove that. Actually, they should be insulted by these w****s that think they are so superior that they have to protect the poor b****s. Yes, there are a lot of b****s that aren't reaching the sky on the intellectual level, or to poor to get around to get an I. D. Well, there are probably more w****s in that same position. They're poor and it happens to all the races. And yes, some are not to smart or educated. But from what I heard, the states that are demanding v**er I. D. laws, already have them, or have options available for every citizen to get that v**er I. D. for free. It is required in poorer countries then America.
The e******n judges have a right to know if the person seeking to v**e is who they say they are. Sorry, but your word isn't good enough. This isn't even about being registered or not. Just who the hell are you.
Since everyone can get an I. D. there should be no excuse to not have one to v**e. You need one for so damn many other things in life, it is almost impossible to get around without one.
Now as for picture I. D. Many people have the same name as a parent for example. If the parent was deceased, or otherwise unable to v**e, or just doesn't want to v**e, the son or daughter could flash an I. D. of the same name and just v**e for them. Obviously not right and criminal. Just one example calling for picture I. D. Another example is personal. Every e******n I go to in Chicago, I flash them my drivers license and they actually refuset to look at it. They just want me to say my name, find it on the list, sign here and here is you b****t. Anyone could come in and identify as me, and if they had a copy of my signature just scribble anything similar to it and it would be accepted. They don't even look at it. But this is Chicago and they assume I'll v**e Democrat so I'm acceptable. Probably the same in Republican areas.
Democrats, please disprove my analysis with reason, common sense and logic if you can. I'd really like to hear why you think picture I. D. or just I. D. is not necessary to v**e. Remember, this is about you and your reasons. No long articles by some pundit or self professed authority or heavens of a politician. Your thoughts.
And if we can keep this to a civil discussion, maybe we can try another one in a day or two, like legal age to v**e and why. Felons v****g and why. Non citizens v****g and why.
Logically Right
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I don't see a problem with v**er ID. I think it should be up to the state to decide photo ID or if a driver's licence or other ID is good enough. Any thing with a name and address might be acceptable. If no driver's licence maybe an actual v**er ID card but this would complicate v****g if lost or stolen. That should be the states right to choose what can be accepted. For e******n integrity you would think states would do this on their own with out federal involvement. The mail in b****ts are the bigger problem in my opinion. Proving who filled out and mailed the b****t . Maybe a place for a thumb print? Maybe a fingerprint when you request a b****t and another when it's returned? I know my signatures don't match day to day depending on what I'm writing with and the space I have to write it. Also my mood changes it . Maybe I'm skitso. Any way this my two cents on v**er ID
JW wrote:
Which bill are you specifying? There are at least three they are pushing, and they are all nutso.
Here are two.
John R. Lewis V****g Rights Advancement Act (S.4) and the Freedom to V**e Act (S.2747),
lpnmajor wrote:
Identifying legitimate v**ers is a must, keeping in mind that every citizen has a right ( and to my mind, an obligation ) to v**e, REGARDLESS of their partisan/ideological bent or lack there of. Photo ID's are a must for nearly everything and are easily obtained, so requiring one to go with ( or replace ) one's v***r r**********n is not a stretch. That being said, in my State, every time our legislature attempts to pass v**er ID laws.....................they can't resist adding all kinds of other crap designed to increase their odds of holding onto power and THAT must not be allowed to happen.
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So, you as a l*****t are in favor of v**er I. D. That is good.
But why is there this so called fight for democracy with these bills to change our e******n laws. that the democrats are pushing through Congress, that would eliminate v**er I. D.
As for your comment about your state
***they can't resist adding all kinds of other crap designed to increase their odds of holding onto power and THAT must not be allowed to happen.
>>>Isn't that exactly what the democrats are doing in these massive Federal bills they are trying to pass? There probably isn't one line in hundreds of pages that gives an advantage to Republicans.
I agree that there might be valid reasons to change v**er laws in every state and the Federal Government. But when one party, totally without input from the other party, introduces a v**er law they created alone, it is probably wrong and strictly for the purposes of enhancing that party's chances in an illegitimate manner. All such laws should be created by a REAL bipartisan group. I have previously suggested such a group in greater detail. But for the moment I'll be brief. Each party v**es in by their whole membership, (say five) members of the other party for this committee. The committee has rotating chairman daily and by lot. They meet in private and create a bill for America that they believe is fair for all Americans. And all points must be passed by about 70% of that committee. Then in the House or Senate, all amendments must pass with 67% majority. Do that and you will get a fair bill for Americans and not for parties. Anyone who disputes that ,,,,well, I can't explain you and I'm sure you couldn't explain yourself.
Logically Right
nonalien1 wrote:
I don't see a problem with v**er ID. I think it should be up to the state to decide photo ID or if a driver's licence or other ID is good enough. Any thing with a name and address might be acceptable. If no driver's licence maybe an actual v**er ID card but this would complicate v****g if lost or stolen. That should be the states right to choose what can be accepted. For e******n integrity you would think states would do this on their own with out federal involvement. The mail in b****ts are the bigger problem in my opinion. Proving who filled out and mailed the b****t . Maybe a place for a thumb print? Maybe a fingerprint when you request a b****t and another when it's returned? I know my signatures don't match day to day depending on what I'm writing with and the space I have to write it. Also my mood changes it . Maybe I'm skitso. Any way this my two cents on v**er ID
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I agree with the first part of your statement. You mentioned lost I, D cards. Letting them v**e a provisional b****t, subsequent to them reaffirming their I. D. at a later date and as soon as possible, might solve that. But you must prove you are who you are.
You other suggestions all sound valid and I would probably go along with them on mail in b****ts. When necessary. But that is a discussion for another topic.
Thanks for your input.
Logically Right
LogicallyRight wrote:
The left is saying it is needed to preserve Democracy and save America from the Republicans and to give and preserve v****g rights for everyone in America. Citizen or not. Those of us on the Right see it as the Federal Government taking control of all v****g rights from the Constitution mandated States for themselves, and at the detriment of the Republicans. Serious charges from both sides. But what is the best solution?
So, how about a serious debate, no slurs or cheap shots, no Trump or biden, just common sense, and logic, and fairness for all. Just what should the law be and should it be up to the states within certain broad parameters Federally mandated.
The first issue is V**er I. D. And only v**er I. D. and/or picture I. D.
All to often I hear from Democrats that b****s can't get I. D, and that would deprive them of a right to v**e. And then the b****s themselves disprove that. Actually, they should be insulted by these w****s that think they are so superior that they have to protect the poor b****s. Yes, there are a lot of b****s that aren't reaching the sky on the intellectual level, or to poor to get around to get an I. D. Well, there are probably more w****s in that same position. They're poor and it happens to all the races. And yes, some are not to smart or educated. But from what I heard, the states that are demanding v**er I. D. laws, already have them, or have options available for every citizen to get that v**er I. D. for free. It is required in poorer countries then America.
The e******n judges have a right to know if the person seeking to v**e is who they say they are. Sorry, but your word isn't good enough. This isn't even about being registered or not. Just who the hell are you.
Since everyone can get an I. D. there should be no excuse to not have one to v**e. You need one for so damn many other things in life, it is almost impossible to get around without one.
Now as for picture I. D. Many people have the same name as a parent for example. If the parent was deceased, or otherwise unable to v**e, or just doesn't want to v**e, the son or daughter could flash an I. D. of the same name and just v**e for them. Obviously not right and criminal. Just one example calling for picture I. D. Another example is personal. Every e******n I go to in Chicago, I flash them my drivers license and they actually refuset to look at it. They just want me to say my name, find it on the list, sign here and here is you b****t. Anyone could come in and identify as me, and if they had a copy of my signature just scribble anything similar to it and it would be accepted. They don't even look at it. But this is Chicago and they assume I'll v**e Democrat so I'm acceptable. Probably the same in Republican areas.
Democrats, please disprove my analysis with reason, common sense and logic if you can. I'd really like to hear why you think picture I. D. or just I. D. is not necessary to v**e. Remember, this is about you and your reasons. No long articles by some pundit or self professed authority or heavens of a politician. Your thoughts.
And if we can keep this to a civil discussion, maybe we can try another one in a day or two, like legal age to v**e and why. Felons v****g and why. Non citizens v****g and why.
Logically Right
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To prove citizenship and eligibility just like the C***d vax card!
A picture ID is a must.Too many ways to c***t.
LogicallyRight wrote:
The left is saying it is needed to preserve Democracy and save America from the Republicans and to give and preserve v****g rights for everyone in America. Citizen or not. Those of us on the Right see it as the Federal Government taking control of all v****g rights from the Constitution mandated States for themselves, and at the detriment of the Republicans. Serious charges from both sides. But what is the best solution?
So, how about a serious debate, no slurs or cheap shots, no Trump or biden, just common sense, and logic, and fairness for all. Just what should the law be and should it be up to the states within certain broad parameters Federally mandated.
The first issue is V**er I. D. And only v**er I. D. and/or picture I. D.
All to often I hear from Democrats that b****s can't get I. D, and that would deprive them of a right to v**e. And then the b****s themselves disprove that. Actually, they should be insulted by these w****s that think they are so superior that they have to protect the poor b****s. Yes, there are a lot of b****s that aren't reaching the sky on the intellectual level, or to poor to get around to get an I. D. Well, there are probably more w****s in that same position. They're poor and it happens to all the races. And yes, some are not to smart or educated. But from what I heard, the states that are demanding v**er I. D. laws, already have them, or have options available for every citizen to get that v**er I. D. for free. It is required in poorer countries then America.
The e******n judges have a right to know if the person seeking to v**e is who they say they are. Sorry, but your word isn't good enough. This isn't even about being registered or not. Just who the hell are you.
Since everyone can get an I. D. there should be no excuse to not have one to v**e. You need one for so damn many other things in life, it is almost impossible to get around without one.
Now as for picture I. D. Many people have the same name as a parent for example. If the parent was deceased, or otherwise unable to v**e, or just doesn't want to v**e, the son or daughter could flash an I. D. of the same name and just v**e for them. Obviously not right and criminal. Just one example calling for picture I. D. Another example is personal. Every e******n I go to in Chicago, I flash them my drivers license and they actually refuset to look at it. They just want me to say my name, find it on the list, sign here and here is you b****t. Anyone could come in and identify as me, and if they had a copy of my signature just scribble anything similar to it and it would be accepted. They don't even look at it. But this is Chicago and they assume I'll v**e Democrat so I'm acceptable. Probably the same in Republican areas.
Democrats, please disprove my analysis with reason, common sense and logic if you can. I'd really like to hear why you think picture I. D. or just I. D. is not necessary to v**e. Remember, this is about you and your reasons. No long articles by some pundit or self professed authority or heavens of a politician. Your thoughts.
And if we can keep this to a civil discussion, maybe we can try another one in a day or two, like legal age to v**e and why. Felons v****g and why. Non citizens v****g and why.
Logically Right
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We use picture I.d. For a variety of activities I don’t see why this is such an issue. If you want to participate in the democratic process of v****g you do what is necessary to be eligible! The people who fought for these rights did just that!
nonalien1 wrote:
I don't see a problem with v**er ID. I think it should be up to the state to decide photo ID or if a driver's licence or other ID is good enough. Any thing with a name and address might be acceptable. If no driver's licence maybe an actual v**er ID card but this would complicate v****g if lost or stolen. That should be the states right to choose what can be accepted. For e******n integrity you would think states would do this on their own with out federal involvement. The mail in b****ts are the bigger problem in my opinion. Proving who filled out and mailed the b****t . Maybe a place for a thumb print? Maybe a fingerprint when you request a b****t and another when it's returned? I know my signatures don't match day to day depending on what I'm writing with and the space I have to write it. Also my mood changes it . Maybe I'm skitso. Any way this my two cents on v**er ID
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I registered to v**e over 50 years ago. I carry my v***r r**********n card, (but have never been asked to produce it, neither in a moderately large city, where I lived when I was younger, nor in the small/rural community I now live outside of.) It does not have my picture on it, but I do have a photo on my driver's license, which no one asks to see either. V**e integrity is a must. Producing an official photo ID of some/any kind should be a requirement/showing up in person to v**e, (with exceptions for the obvious reasons,) should also be required. In some counties people risk their lives to v**e...standing/waiting in line should not be considered an obstacle. I'm not sure I am comfortable with fingerprinting, but it seems at one time years ago it was required to renew my driver's license, still don't feel right about it being on the v**er's registration card, photo...no problem.
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V**er ID's are a MUST period !
No one can do much of anything now a days without one and the lie about poor people can't get one is that just a bald face lie
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