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May 28, 2013 18:22:14   #
The Dutchman
 
[quote=the jersey d**g q***n[/quote]

queenie, you just never tire of mindless rambling do you?
Why is it you always have to go on and on about nothing that is fact, just your bovine excerment opinion.....
And don't even try to pass off your far left radical progressive liberal sites as facts....

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May 28, 2013 18:26:28   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
The Progressive Patriot wrote:
Jesus Christ!! You still here? Can you actually write something in plain English as opposed to religious gobbledygook?


You don't like that King James English, I see. I bet you failed to read very much of it but since you mentioned gobbeldygook i have to think that you merely scanned very fast.

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May 28, 2013 18:33:44   #
The Dutchman
 
oldroy wrote:
You don't like that King James English, I see. I bet you failed to read very much of it but since you mentioned gobbeldygook i have to think that you merely scanned very fast.


Dont't like? Hell it probably doesn't understand it. I'll bet given a quize on this:
http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-2341-1.html
it could never answer one question?

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May 28, 2013 19:09:56   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
The Progressive Patriot wrote:
Let me remind conservatives that one big reason that they lost the e******n is because of their insistence on maligning those who are to some degree dependent on government services, while at the same time calling for cuts to those services. They cling to the rhetoric of “makers” and the “takers” the latter of course being anyone who ever needed some help getting by. They call people who are just trying to survive in a cruel economic environment leaches and parasites. They believe, or pretend to believe that anyone can go out and get job- a job that pays a living wage anytime they wish if only they were not so lazy and content to be on the dole. They continue to complain that 47% of people pay no federal income tax but fail to acknowledge that the majority are working but too poor to have an income tax liability, in part due to the earned income tax credit and child care credit supported by Republicans. They also fail to acknowledge that these same people pay other federal taxes, as well as state and local taxes which are highly regressive.

This harsh swim or sink attitude emanates from the same people who expound a steadfast belief in lais-sez faire capitalism, and minimum regulations and safeguards against corporate excesses. They are often anti union and opposed to raising the minimum wage. What they fail to understand or acknowledge is that poverty, unemployment, and underemployment are built into the capitalist system. Even in a regulated economy, the need for labor expands and contracts as the result of a multitude of factors at home and around the world. When the economy shrinks, excess workers are sidelined. Is it possible for these former employees to enter into capital enterprises of their own? At the same time, the workforce expands and contracts, also as the result of factors that we can’t control. There is also the issue of matching sk**ls to the available jobs geographically. Rarely is there a perfect match between those seeking jobs and the needs of business , and there is usually excess labor.

In addition they fail to grasp the fact that not only does a free market necessitate a government assistance Why government assistance? on occasion, but the social safety nets are good for capitalism. When the economy shrinks as it always will from time to time, programs are needed to maintain societal stability and a workforce that will be to be ready to work when the system needs there services again-to work for and enrich the capitalists. In their book “Regulating the Poor: The Function of Public Welfare”, Francis Fox Piven and Richard A. Cloward make this argument, and go on to say that relief efforts not only maintain social order, but also reinforce the work ethic by ensuring that people are only given enough to subsist without being to comfortable.
I will submit to you that the only way to eliminate the much maligned dependency is to regulate business to the extent where they must put people before profits and provide a good job for all regardless of the bottom line. However that would be SOCIALISM and we can’t have that. Or, we could re-establish alms houses. What we cannot do is to have it both ways. We must either accept tighter controls on business practices to prevent the exploitation of workers in the name of profit, or stop persecuting the less fortunate victims of the unsavory side effects of free enterprise .
Let me remind conservatives that one big reason th... (show quote)


To trot out a reason as a big reason is very different from it being a true reason. Religion is a big reason why a Mormon wasn't elected. Evangelicals didn't v**e.

Did you v**e for Obama, because you h**e Mormons?

Mormons help the poor victims of free enterprise and you h**e them, because they are not the government. And they oppose marriage redefinition.

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May 28, 2013 19:52:52   #
The Dutchman
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
To trot out a reason as a big reason is very different from it being a true reason. Religion is a big reason why a Mormon wasn't elected. Evangelicals didn't v**e.

Did you v**e for Obama, because you h**e Mormons?
Agustus, it h**es anything thats not q***r or c*******t...

Mormons help the poor victims of free enterprise and you h**e them, because they are not the government. And they oppose marriage redefinition.


The Mormons do a lot of good everywhere but the jersey d**g q***n won't believe it because it's not a q***r or c*******t organization....

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May 29, 2013 00:03:53   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
The Dutchman wrote:
The Mormons do a lot of good everywhere but the jersey d**g q***n won't believe it because it's not a q***r or c*******t organization....


Have you noticed that he has stopped trying to ire me. He does that every time he changes names for a while and then he goes into ignore mode because he can't handle me. Oh my, now he will come at me. :-P :-P

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May 29, 2013 08:03:42   #
The Progressive Patriot
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
To trot out a reason as a big reason is very different from it being a true reason. Religion is a big reason why a Mormon wasn't elected. Evangelicals didn't v**e. {Religion was part of the reason. He was not elected because he's an out of touch plutocrat, and wrong on every issue, and not even honest about what he believes}

Did you v**e for Obama, because you h**e Mormons? {stupid question}

Mormons help the poor victims of free enterprise and you h**e them, because they are not the government. And they oppose marriage redefinition.
To trot out a reason as a big reason is very diffe... (show quote)
{ Do they? They help Mormons}

Is it possible for these former employees to enter into capital enterprises of their own? { If they have the capital}

Why Government assistance? { Why not, what else is there?}

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May 29, 2013 09:45:50   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
The Progressive Patriot wrote:
{ Do they? They help Mormons}

Is it possible for these former employees to enter into capital enterprises of their own? { If they have the capital}

Why Government assistance? { Why not, what else is there?}



Augustus Greatorex wrote:
To trot out a reason as a big reason is very different from it being a true reason. Religion is a big reason why a Mormon wasn't elected. Evangelicals didn't v**e. {Religion was part of the reason. He was not elected because he's an out of touch plutocrat, and wrong on every issue, and not even honest about what he believes}I would contend that it was v**ers who are out of touch, but it is a contention only not a fact.

Did you v**e for Obama, because you h**e Mormons? {stupid question} I was being facetious. You attributed certain motives to people that were as insightful or stupid as that question.

Mormons help the poor victims of free enterprise and you h**e them, because they are not the government. And they oppose marriage redefinition.
{ Do they? They help Mormons} Yes, Mormons help others regardless of religion. There are certain fragments of Mormonism ergo gratis FDLS, who do not help anyone, except FDLS Mormons.

Is it possible for these former employees to enter into capital enterprises of their own? { If they have the capital}What you mean is: If they can find the capital, and avoid government seizure of that capital.

Why Government assistance? { Why not, what else is there?} Masons Lodge, Elks Lodge, Knights of Colombus, Salvation Army, Dorcas Society... There is one thing about all these groups missing from the government and that is discrimination. The groups I've mentioned try to help to a certain point (or destination.) The government throws money at problems without aim or discretion. You, actually oppose the discrimination of these various groups, because they will not help people who are unwilling to help themselves. The government hands out money regardless of efforts to improve.


May the Goddesses and the Gods bless Mother Earth and all of the creatures upon her, great and small, even conservatives that they may embrace tolerance and e******y and thus find peace and harmony with all of humankind. Do you believe this? Or are you mocking pagans?

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May 29, 2013 11:14:02   #
The Dutchman
 
oldroy wrote:
Have you noticed that he has stopped trying to ire me. He does that every time he changes names for a while and then he goes into ignore mode because he can't handle me. Oh my, now he will come at me. :-P :-P


I think it's because it gets it's panties in a wad because it can't find any facts to discredit what we post other than the far left socialist c****e radical sites. It is q***r in more ways than one. It even admits to hating Romney because he was t***hful.

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May 29, 2013 11:43:36   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
The Dutchman wrote:
I think it's because it gets it's panties in a wad because it can't find any facts to discredit what we post other than the far left socialist c****e radical sites. It is q***r in more ways than one. It even admits to hating Romney because he was t***hful.


IT does sometimes have some problems with answering to those who talk back to IT. :P :P

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Jun 3, 2013 19:49:24   #
The Progressive Patriot
 
The Dutchman wrote:
Beats the crap out of the mindless gobbledygook you try to pass off!


Conservatism is the new f*****m

What Say You Now?
What Say You Now?...

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Jun 3, 2013 20:41:48   #
The Dutchman
 
the jersey d**g q***n aka The Perverted R****d Prog Obstructionist wrote:
Conservatism is the new f*****m


queenie, what a crock of bovine excrement! Did you dream this one up all by your totally useless self or did you get it off of one of your socialistic blogs?
Now crawl back in your hole you sick pervert useful i***t!

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Jun 14, 2013 12:08:12   #
Katfish
 
So Dems are the American C*******t party? (Give me a break)
I guess that leaves the GOP to represent the F*****t party. Since they are continually promoting an Oligarchy, free thought, and expression will be stomped out by both if it were not for the others influence.

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Jun 14, 2013 13:25:53   #
The Dutchman
 
Katfish wrote:
So Dems are the American C*******t party? (Give me a break)
I guess that leaves the GOP to represent the F*****t party. Since they are continually promoting an Oligarchy, free thought, and expression will be stomped out by both if it were not for the others influence.


"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under
the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist
program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without
knowing how it happened."
Norman Thomas (1884-1968)
Read it and weep you useful i***t, and I'm not calling you any names! HISTORY IS just defineing you!!
http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-2341-1.html

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Jun 15, 2013 13:45:47   #
alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
 
The Progressive Patriot wrote:
Let me remind conservatives that one big reason that they lost the e******n is because of their insistence on maligning those who are to some degree dependent on government services, while at the same time calling for cuts to those services. They cling to the rhetoric of “makers” and the “takers” the latter of course being anyone who ever needed some help getting by. They call people who are just trying to survive in a cruel economic environment leaches and parasites. They believe, or pretend to believe that anyone can go out and get job- a job that pays a living wage anytime they wish if only they were not so lazy and content to be on the dole. They continue to complain that 47% of people pay no federal income tax but fail to acknowledge that the majority are working but too poor to have an income tax liability, in part due to the earned income tax credit and child care credit supported by Republicans. They also fail to acknowledge that these same people pay other federal taxes, as well as state and local taxes which are highly regressive.

This harsh swim or sink attitude emanates from the same people who expound a steadfast belief in lais-sez faire capitalism, and minimum regulations and safeguards against corporate excesses. They are often anti union and opposed to raising the minimum wage. What they fail to understand or acknowledge is that poverty, unemployment, and underemployment are built into the capitalist system. Even in a regulated economy, the need for labor expands and contracts as the result of a multitude of factors at home and around the world. When the economy shrinks, excess workers are sidelined. At the same time, the workforce expands and contracts, also as the result of factors that we can’t control. There is also the issue of matching sk**ls to the available jobs geographically. Rarely is there a perfect match between those seeking jobs and the needs of business , and there is usually excess labor.

In addition they fail to grasp the fact that not only does a free market necessitate a government assistance on occasion, but the social safety nets are good for capitalism. When the economy shrinks as it always will from time to time, programs are needed to maintain societal stability and a workforce that will be to be ready to work when the system needs there services again-to work for and enrich the capitalists. In their book “Regulating the Poor: The Function of Public Welfare”, Francis Fox Piven and Richard A. Cloward make this argument, and go on to say that relief efforts not only maintain social order, but also reinforce the work ethic by ensuring that people are only given enough to subsist without being to comfortable.
I will submit to you that the only way to eliminate the much maligned dependency is to regulate business to the extent where they must put people before profits and provide a good job for all regardless of the bottom line. However that would be SOCIALISM and we can’t have that. Or, we could re-establish alms houses. What we cannot do is to have it both ways. We must either accept tighter controls on business practices to prevent the exploitation of workers in the name of profit, or stop persecuting the less fortunate victims of the unsavory side effects of free enterprise .
Let me remind conservatives that one big reason th... (show quote)


I am retired military my check comes from the government I am also on s/s again my check comes from the government however in both cases I earned them and I still believe liberals are a bunch of sheep without a brain in the whole flock

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