nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Well, this is a new take on a shooting. Kyle should have thought of that!

I wonder, who DID pull it???

SGM B Loc: TEXAS but live in Alabama now

Let me think……..I know, I know!! Alec Baldwin. Yup, he did it…..oh, he said it wasn’t him? Well, who the hell was holding the gun???🤣🤣🤣

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

He is now claiming to be a victim and for the left, all victims need to be heard and believed, not just heard.

steve66613

Baldwin is an acting ARTIST! And, he’s about to paint a masterpiece!

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

He is certainly painting something! LOL!

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Best info I have is the pistol was an Italian made (Pietta) 1873 Colt 45 SAA replica.

I owned a Colt model 1873 SAA in 357 magnum, which also fired the .38 Special cartridge. Made by Colt, it was a mighty fine pistol. However, if not properly maintained, this particular pistol can be a very dangerous gun.

The hammer has three notches that engage the trigger sear. When you cock a Colt SAA, you will hear and feel three distinct clicks as the hammer is pulled back.

The first notch is the safety position. With finger off the trigger, pull the hammer back until you hear the first click, about a quarter of an inch, then ease it forward until the trigger sear fully engages the first notch. This prevents the firing pin from resting against the primer in the cartridge in the firing chamber, and is the preferred position for safely holstering and carrying a fully loaded pistol of this type. In this position, the trigger cannot be pulled.

(Note: if this particular pistol is carried with the hammer down, it is advisable to have no cartridge loaded in the firing chamber.)

The second notch is the half-cock position. With finger off the trigger, pull the hammer back until you hear the second click, just past half way, then ease it forward until the trigger sear fully engages the second notch. This position frees the cylinder to rotate for loading. In this position also the trigger cannot be pulled.

The third notch is the firing position. With finger off the trigger, pull the hammer all the way back until the trigger sear engages the third notch and the pistol is ready to fire.

If a pistol of this type has seen extensive use, as is probably the case with movie prop guns, and the pistol has not been properly checked and maintained, it is possible, even probable, that the hammer notches and/or the trigger sear are worn, damaged or even broken. If so, the Colt SAA is a very dangerous gun. It can fire without touching the trigger.

Accidents don't just happen, they are caused, most often through a series of mistakes, errors in judgement, negligence, violations of safety protocols, and so on.

In the event on the Rust movie set, the Colt replica in question was used by production crews for live target practice, they experienced at least two accidental discharges (they were not clear on this), and this should have been a red f**g indicating the pistol was not safe and that it should have been thoroughly checked by a qualified armorer or gun smith.

The big problem with the Rust movie production was the extremely limited budget - $7 million - so they were not able to hire top dollar professional production crews. Some members of the production staff walked off the set due to safety violations, the assistant director had a history of unsafe practices on a movie set, and the armorer they hired was inexperienced - her second movie - and she was reluctant to take the job.

Things added up, from all I have read on the event, poor planning, lack of organization, incomplete story boards, discontent among crew members, hiring inexperienced crews, carelessness along the chain of custody for firearm maintenance and handling, and, of course, C***d restrictions.

The movie armorer, more than anyone else, is responsible for the mechanical condition of all firearms used in movie productions. The armorer, Hanna Gutierrez-Reed, was hired to fill two positions on production staff which made it extremely difficult to focus on her job as an armorer, she claims she was understaffed, undertrained and overruled by her bosses when she tried to improve safety on the set.

In any case, if the Colt pistol was, in fact, defective, particularly if the trigger sear was worn or broken, it is entirely possible for the gun to fire without pulling the trigger.

We may never know all the details on what actually happened, but so far, lawsuits have been filed, but no criminal charges. The big question investigators are pursuing is how live rounds were loaded into the pistol.

So, until and if we know for certain the chain of events leading up to the accident. I am giving Baldwin the benefit of the doubt.

It may be proper for the actor to determine if the gun is loaded, but the mechanical condition of the firearm is the armorer's responsibility.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Rational reasoning. I accept your point of view.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Well, thanks, man, I try to be rational when it comes to guns.

All the hype, the spin, the mockery, and the emotions that go into the anti-gun agenda must be countered with reason.

I speak from a lifetime's experience with firearms, fired my first shot when I was 5 and my father gave me my first gun when I was 7, a Winchester semi-auto 22LR. I've probably forgotten more about guns than most of the anti-everything crowd will ever know.

About the Colt 45 single action army revolver. As I said I owned a Colt replica of that pistol chambered and bored for the 357 magnum cartridge. It was my favorite revolver, but it was dangerous when not properly handled. Found that out through experience with it. Came real close to putting a 158 grain wadcutter through the top of my right foot. Probably would have lost my foot. From that moment on, through practice with empty cartridges or snap caps, I learned everything I could about shooting the pistol safely. Be surprised how easy it is to screw up with a loaded gun in your hand.

steve66613

Just a little comment:

The Pietta 1873 SAA is almost a clone of the original Colt 1873 SAA. Thus, there should be FOUR distinct clicks when pulling the hammer back.

The Uberti (Cimarron) has four clicks.

Regardless, the hammer can be “dropped”, without the trigger being pulled, just before the last click. Baldwin claims that’s what he did.

steve66613

Correction: After further review: THE HAMMER WILL ONLY DROP TO “HALF COCK” if it does not reach fully cocked position….IF THE TRIGGER IS NOT BEING PULLED!!!!

The gun in question would have to be heavily modified to allow the hammer to drop, all the way to firing position, without the trigger pulled.

Ooooops! Mr. Baldwin might have some “splaining” to do.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

The pistol in question is an Italian made (Pietta) Colt 45 SAA replica. Some members of the production crew used it for live target practice. They experienced two accidental discharges which should have been a red f**g that the gun was defective.

If a SAA revolver has seen extensive use, as is most likely the case with movie prop guns, the trigger sear and/or any of the three hammer notches may be worn sufficiently or even broken which renders the gun unsafe. The sear does not have to be filed down for this to happen.

A worn, damaged, or broken trigger sear is the main culprit, it will not engage the any of the three hammer notches and the gun will fire by just pulling back the hammer and letting it go without ever touching the trigger.

guzzimaestro

So after all the explaining and ranting, the question I have is why the he'll he was pointing the gun at another person? I don't care if the man on the moon pulled the trigger