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Dec 1, 2021 14:42:46   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Pipelines vs. Trains vs. Cargo Ships

Someone with a sharp mind and the capacity to do a little research spent time putting some numbers together: Now, the question remains, "Is this information reliable?"

1 Train has 100 cars, 2 engines and weighs 27,240,000 LBS

1 Train carries 3,000,000 gallons of oil.

1 train uses 55.5 gallons of diesel per mile.

It takes 119,000 gallons of diesel to go 2150 miles from Hardisty, AB to Freeport, TX.

Keystone pipeline was to deliver 34,860,000 gallons of oil per day.

It would take 12 trains and 1,428,000 gallons of diesel to deliver that amount. PER DAY!

521,220,000 gallons of diesel per year.

The oil will still go to market with or without the pipeline.

By stopping the pipeline billions of gallons of diesel will be wasted and pollution will increase needlessly. Does that make you feel good?

Stop the Tar Sands all together? Then we must ship the oil from the overseas sandbox.

1 large oil tanker can haul 120,000,000 gallons of oil

1 boat takes 15 days to float across the Atlantic.

1 boat uses 63,000 gallons of fuel PER DAY, that is about 1 million gallons of the most polluting type fuel in the world PER TRIP.*(See below)

Or take 3.5 days of Keystone Pipeline to move the same amount of oil with a fraction of the pollution.

In international waters, ship emissions remain one of the least regulated parts of our global t***sportation system. The fuel used in ships is waste oil, basically what is left over after the crude oil refining process. It is the same as asphalt and is so thick that when cold it can be walked upon. It's the cheapest and most polluting fuel available and the world's 90,000 ships chew through an astonishing 7.29 million barrels of it each day, or more than 84% of all exported oil production from Saudi Arabia.

Shipping is by far the biggest t***sport polluter in the world. There are 760 million cars in the world today emitting approx 78,599 tons of Sulfur Oxides (SOx) annually. The world's 90,000 vessels burn approx 370 million tons of fuel per year emitting 20 million tons of Sulfur Oxides. That equates to 260 times more Sulfur Oxides being emitted by ships than the world's entire car fleet. One large ship alone can generate approximately 5,200 tons of sulfur oxide pollution in a year, meaning that 15 of the largest ships now emit as much SOx as the world’s 760 million cars

Eliminate all gas-consuming cars and diesel vehicles?

Worldwide car gas consumption is 403,583,712,000 gallons a year. That's billion.

Worldwide oil consumption is 1,500,000,000,000 gallons a year. That's trillion.

It takes 2.15 gallons of oil to make 1 gallon of gasoline/petrol and 0.6 gals of diesel.

So it takes 867,704,980,800 gallons of oil to run the world's cars, most diesel vehicles for a year, and some ships

That leaves 632,295,019,200 gallons of oil for other uses.

Passenger vehicles are only a very small percentage of the problem. If emissions are the problem why not just capture them at the exhaust? Create an industry to clean exhaust instead of crushing an entire industry and building a completely untested, replacement industry?

So are we willing to dramatically increase mining to get all the minerals necessary to make all these batteries and electric motors? Mining is far worse for the environment than oil extraction.

K*****g Keystone was glibly decided by emotional i***ts without brains! Destructive i***ts who are fooling America to boost their standing with foreign paymasters.

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Dec 1, 2021 14:52:01   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
EYE OPENING facts. Thanks. It is more polluting getting the fuel to where it will be used, then it is using it as fuel by ordinary citizens. And yet, they want us to pay more for it while inhibiting less polluting ways of getting it to us.


Logically Right

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Dec 1, 2021 14:54:59   #
moldyoldy
 
Dirty nasty Canadian sludge is not a usable product. It has to be refined after it is piped across the country contaminating the ground water, then refined producing more toxins. How much is left afterwards?

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Dec 1, 2021 15:41:54   #
donrent Loc: SW Florida -Born Texas-Lived Panama & Alaska
 
When you start feeding numbers in the millions/billions figures, who the hell can make any common sense out of them .??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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Dec 1, 2021 15:55:11   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Dirty nasty Canadian sludge is not a usable product. It has to be refined after it is piped across the country contaminating the ground water, then refined producing more toxins. How much is left afterwards?


The point is, however, that the tar sands from Canada (or Canadian sludge as you call it) are still being used, and they are being t***sported by rail rather than pipeline. If it is not a usable product then why is it being used to make products that are petroleum-based? Your oxymoron is kind of a knee-jerk reaction, don't you think? After it all is said and done, it is cleaner to use a pipeline. There are thousands and thousands of miles of pipeline crisscrossing the country. Doesn't it make more sense to use the pipeline to t***sport oil? Trains derail and spill more than pipelines. They also use more energy to move the product.

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Dec 1, 2021 15:55:40   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Pipelines vs. Trains vs. Cargo Ships

Someone with a sharp mind and the capacity to do a little research spent time putting some numbers together: Now, the question remains, "Is this information reliable?"

1 Train has 100 cars, 2 engines and weighs 27,240,000 LBS

1 Train carries 3,000,000 gallons of oil.

1 train uses 55.5 gallons of diesel per mile.

It takes 119,000 gallons of diesel to go 2150 miles from Hardisty, AB to Freeport, TX.

Keystone pipeline was to deliver 34,860,000 gallons of oil per day.

It would take 12 trains and 1,428,000 gallons of diesel to deliver that amount. PER DAY!

521,220,000 gallons of diesel per year.

The oil will still go to market with or without the pipeline.

By stopping the pipeline billions of gallons of diesel will be wasted and pollution will increase needlessly. Does that make you feel good?

Stop the Tar Sands all together? Then we must ship the oil from the overseas sandbox.

1 large oil tanker can haul 120,000,000 gallons of oil

1 boat takes 15 days to float across the Atlantic.

1 boat uses 63,000 gallons of fuel PER DAY, that is about 1 million gallons of the most polluting type fuel in the world PER TRIP.*(See below)

Or take 3.5 days of Keystone Pipeline to move the same amount of oil with a fraction of the pollution.

In international waters, ship emissions remain one of the least regulated parts of our global t***sportation system. The fuel used in ships is waste oil, basically what is left over after the crude oil refining process. It is the same as asphalt and is so thick that when cold it can be walked upon. It's the cheapest and most polluting fuel available and the world's 90,000 ships chew through an astonishing 7.29 million barrels of it each day, or more than 84% of all exported oil production from Saudi Arabia.

Shipping is by far the biggest t***sport polluter in the world. There are 760 million cars in the world today emitting approx 78,599 tons of Sulfur Oxides (SOx) annually. The world's 90,000 vessels burn approx 370 million tons of fuel per year emitting 20 million tons of Sulfur Oxides. That equates to 260 times more Sulfur Oxides being emitted by ships than the world's entire car fleet. One large ship alone can generate approximately 5,200 tons of sulfur oxide pollution in a year, meaning that 15 of the largest ships now emit as much SOx as the world’s 760 million cars

Eliminate all gas-consuming cars and diesel vehicles?

Worldwide car gas consumption is 403,583,712,000 gallons a year. That's billion.

Worldwide oil consumption is 1,500,000,000,000 gallons a year. That's trillion.

It takes 2.15 gallons of oil to make 1 gallon of gasoline/petrol and 0.6 gals of diesel.

So it takes 867,704,980,800 gallons of oil to run the world's cars, most diesel vehicles for a year, and some ships

That leaves 632,295,019,200 gallons of oil for other uses.

Passenger vehicles are only a very small percentage of the problem. If emissions are the problem why not just capture them at the exhaust? Create an industry to clean exhaust instead of crushing an entire industry and building a completely untested, replacement industry?

So are we willing to dramatically increase mining to get all the minerals necessary to make all these batteries and electric motors? Mining is far worse for the environment than oil extraction.

K*****g Keystone was glibly decided by emotional i***ts without brains! Destructive i***ts who are fooling America to boost their standing with foreign paymasters.
b Pipelines vs. Trains vs. Cargo Ships /b br b... (show quote)


It isn't our oil. Why doesn't canada refine that crap themselves?

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Dec 1, 2021 16:07:39   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
lpnmajor wrote:
It isn't our oil. Why doesn't canada refine that crap themselves?


Then why do we import oil from all over the world when we have enough resources here and were, for the first time in 50 years, energy independent under Trump's policies? Because Biden shut down over 75% of the leases for petroleum mineral rights making us again dependent on foreign oil. And this is why the cost of fuel has skyrocketed. Meanwhile, China, the biggest polluter in the world, has another 30 years of exclusion to reducing its greenhouse emissions and continues to build coal-fired power plants at the rate of 1-2 per week.

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Dec 1, 2021 16:27:15   #
American Scene
 
This country was NEVER, EVER oil independent, no matter wh**ever lies trump and his equally stupid conservative supporters say

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Dec 1, 2021 16:36:28   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Rinaldi wrote:
This country was NEVER, EVER oil independent, no matter wh**ever lies trump and his equally stupid conservative supporters say


We were for decades before there was an Arab oil embargo and the Department of Energy. We were energy independent during the Trump Administration to the point that we were an energy exporter. We also helped many countries develop their own oil industry only to have them nationalized by some countries such as Venezuela. But that's another story about politics that isn't the issue I brought up.

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Dec 1, 2021 16:47:11   #
Truth be known
 
Follow the money every one. Buffett has no interest in the pipeline, BUT does have intrest in the rail lines. The pipeline was/is costing his "PROFIT"! Screw us average people, Buffettt can't spend the millions that he and his family already has, but he wants more (power). Thanks ELITES.

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Dec 1, 2021 16:49:30   #
American Scene
 
dtucker300 wrote:
We were for decades before there was an Arab oil embargo and the Department of Energy. We were energy independent during the Trump Administration to the point that we were an energy exporter. We also helped many countries develop their own oil industry only to have them nationalized by some countries such as Venezuela. But that's another story about politics that isn't the issue I brought up.




Do you understand the difference between the term "energy independence" and oil independence?


This country was NEVER oil independent, which is why this country was and is so dependent on the ME as wll as other countries whether or not they are OPEC, and since country is a major oil producer, why isn't the USA a member of OPEC?

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Dec 1, 2021 16:57:07   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Rinaldi wrote:
Do you understand the difference between the term "energy independence" and oil independence?


This country was NEVER oil independent, which is why this country was and is so dependent on the ME as wll as other countries whether or not they are OPEC, and since country is a major oil producer, why isn't the USA a member of OPEC?


Do you? You said we were NEVER oil-independent and that is not true. You Marxists deny everything with a kneejerk reaction and never stick to the original question. Deflection and obfuscation! The issue was about whether the pipeline is more efficient than other means of t***sporting oil. STFU if you can't rationally discuss this.

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Dec 1, 2021 17:00:41   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Pipelines vs. Trains vs. Cargo Ships

Someone with a sharp mind and the capacity to do a little research spent time putting some numbers together: Now, the question remains, "Is this information reliable?"

1 Train has 100 cars, 2 engines and weighs 27,240,000 LBS

1 Train carries 3,000,000 gallons of oil.

1 train uses 55.5 gallons of diesel per mile.

It takes 119,000 gallons of diesel to go 2150 miles from Hardisty, AB to Freeport, TX.

Keystone pipeline was to deliver 34,860,000 gallons of oil per day.

It would take 12 trains and 1,428,000 gallons of diesel to deliver that amount. PER DAY!

521,220,000 gallons of diesel per year.

The oil will still go to market with or without the pipeline.

By stopping the pipeline billions of gallons of diesel will be wasted and pollution will increase needlessly. Does that make you feel good?

Stop the Tar Sands all together? Then we must ship the oil from the overseas sandbox.

1 large oil tanker can haul 120,000,000 gallons of oil

1 boat takes 15 days to float across the Atlantic.

1 boat uses 63,000 gallons of fuel PER DAY, that is about 1 million gallons of the most polluting type fuel in the world PER TRIP.*(See below)

Or take 3.5 days of Keystone Pipeline to move the same amount of oil with a fraction of the pollution.

In international waters, ship emissions remain one of the least regulated parts of our global t***sportation system. The fuel used in ships is waste oil, basically what is left over after the crude oil refining process. It is the same as asphalt and is so thick that when cold it can be walked upon. It's the cheapest and most polluting fuel available and the world's 90,000 ships chew through an astonishing 7.29 million barrels of it each day, or more than 84% of all exported oil production from Saudi Arabia.

Shipping is by far the biggest t***sport polluter in the world. There are 760 million cars in the world today emitting approx 78,599 tons of Sulfur Oxides (SOx) annually. The world's 90,000 vessels burn approx 370 million tons of fuel per year emitting 20 million tons of Sulfur Oxides. That equates to 260 times more Sulfur Oxides being emitted by ships than the world's entire car fleet. One large ship alone can generate approximately 5,200 tons of sulfur oxide pollution in a year, meaning that 15 of the largest ships now emit as much SOx as the world’s 760 million cars

Eliminate all gas-consuming cars and diesel vehicles?

Worldwide car gas consumption is 403,583,712,000 gallons a year. That's billion.

Worldwide oil consumption is 1,500,000,000,000 gallons a year. That's trillion.

It takes 2.15 gallons of oil to make 1 gallon of gasoline/petrol and 0.6 gals of diesel.

So it takes 867,704,980,800 gallons of oil to run the world's cars, most diesel vehicles for a year, and some ships

That leaves 632,295,019,200 gallons of oil for other uses.

Passenger vehicles are only a very small percentage of the problem. If emissions are the problem why not just capture them at the exhaust? Create an industry to clean exhaust instead of crushing an entire industry and building a completely untested, replacement industry?

So are we willing to dramatically increase mining to get all the minerals necessary to make all these batteries and electric motors? Mining is far worse for the environment than oil extraction.

K*****g Keystone was glibly decided by emotional i***ts without brains! Destructive i***ts who are fooling America to boost their standing with foreign paymasters.
b Pipelines vs. Trains vs. Cargo Ships /b br b... (show quote)



Take the time to look at the primary owners of the trains. It is enlightening.

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Dec 1, 2021 17:20:31   #
moldyoldy
 
dtucker300 wrote:
We were for decades before there was an Arab oil embargo and the Department of Energy. We were energy independent during the Trump Administration to the point that we were an energy exporter. We also helped many countries develop their own oil industry only to have them nationalized by some countries such as Venezuela. But that's another story about politics that isn't the issue I brought up.


And we are still exporting Canadian oil.

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Dec 1, 2021 20:49:20   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Pipelines vs. Trains vs. Cargo Ships

Someone with a sharp mind and the capacity to do a little research spent time putting some numbers together: Now, the question remains, "Is this information reliable?"

1 Train has 100 cars, 2 engines and weighs 27,240,000 LBS

1 Train carries 3,000,000 gallons of oil.

1 train uses 55.5 gallons of diesel per mile.

It takes 119,000 gallons of diesel to go 2150 miles from Hardisty, AB to Freeport, TX.

Keystone pipeline was to deliver 34,860,000 gallons of oil per day.

It would take 12 trains and 1,428,000 gallons of diesel to deliver that amount. PER DAY!

521,220,000 gallons of diesel per year.

The oil will still go to market with or without the pipeline.

By stopping the pipeline billions of gallons of diesel will be wasted and pollution will increase needlessly. Does that make you feel good?

Stop the Tar Sands all together? Then we must ship the oil from the overseas sandbox.

1 large oil tanker can haul 120,000,000 gallons of oil

1 boat takes 15 days to float across the Atlantic.

1 boat uses 63,000 gallons of fuel PER DAY, that is about 1 million gallons of the most polluting type fuel in the world PER TRIP.*(See below)

Or take 3.5 days of Keystone Pipeline to move the same amount of oil with a fraction of the pollution.

In international waters, ship emissions remain one of the least regulated parts of our global t***sportation system. The fuel used in ships is waste oil, basically what is left over after the crude oil refining process. It is the same as asphalt and is so thick that when cold it can be walked upon. It's the cheapest and most polluting fuel available and the world's 90,000 ships chew through an astonishing 7.29 million barrels of it each day, or more than 84% of all exported oil production from Saudi Arabia.

Shipping is by far the biggest t***sport polluter in the world. There are 760 million cars in the world today emitting approx 78,599 tons of Sulfur Oxides (SOx) annually. The world's 90,000 vessels burn approx 370 million tons of fuel per year emitting 20 million tons of Sulfur Oxides. That equates to 260 times more Sulfur Oxides being emitted by ships than the world's entire car fleet. One large ship alone can generate approximately 5,200 tons of sulfur oxide pollution in a year, meaning that 15 of the largest ships now emit as much SOx as the world’s 760 million cars

Eliminate all gas-consuming cars and diesel vehicles?

Worldwide car gas consumption is 403,583,712,000 gallons a year. That's billion.

Worldwide oil consumption is 1,500,000,000,000 gallons a year. That's trillion.

It takes 2.15 gallons of oil to make 1 gallon of gasoline/petrol and 0.6 gals of diesel.

So it takes 867,704,980,800 gallons of oil to run the world's cars, most diesel vehicles for a year, and some ships

That leaves 632,295,019,200 gallons of oil for other uses.

Passenger vehicles are only a very small percentage of the problem. If emissions are the problem why not just capture them at the exhaust? Create an industry to clean exhaust instead of crushing an entire industry and building a completely untested, replacement industry?

So are we willing to dramatically increase mining to get all the minerals necessary to make all these batteries and electric motors? Mining is far worse for the environment than oil extraction.

K*****g Keystone was glibly decided by emotional i***ts without brains! Destructive i***ts who are fooling America to boost their standing with foreign paymasters.
b Pipelines vs. Trains vs. Cargo Ships /b br b... (show quote)


Look into who owns the train lines and shipping companies... And who they donate to... It's not rocket science...

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