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What Does It Mean When A Jury Finds A Person Not Guilty Of Lesser Charges They Are Guilty Of? It's Not A Future Free Pass?
Nov 24, 2021 23:23:49   #
woodguru
 
I have said I can live with a not guilty of a murder charge verdict, they are hard to prove and the burden is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt...

But too many people are just ignorant enough to read way too much in here, what is the message it sends to a 16 or 17 year old that wants to buy a gun but isn't old enough to legally do that? I'm sure people can figure out the quandary involved when another teen believes that Kyle did it so why shouldn't he be able to?

Juries have always been sympathetic to the idea of "ruining" a young person's life by putting them in prison. Laws exist restricting the age a person can buy, own, and possess guns for a reason, nobody wants underage teenagers carrying guns out in public, especially in emotionally charged situations like protests.

The harsher charge should be the person who bought a gun for a teen in the first place.

I see the teeth in gun age restrictions seriously hurt here.

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Nov 24, 2021 23:43:17   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
woodguru wrote:
I have said I can live with a not guilty of a murder charge verdict, they are hard to prove and the burden is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt...

But too many people are just ignorant enough to read way too much in here, what is the message it sends to a 16 or 17 year old that wants to buy a gun but isn't old enough to legally do that? I'm sure people can figure out the quandary involved when another teen believes that Kyle did it so why shouldn't he be able to?

Juries have always been sympathetic to the idea of "ruining" a young person's life by putting them in prison. Laws exist restricting the age a person can buy, own, and possess guns for a reason, nobody wants underage teenagers carrying guns out in public, especially in emotionally charged situations like protests.

The harsher charge should be the person who bought a gun for a teen in the first place.

I see the teeth in gun age restrictions seriously hurt here.
I have said I can live with a not guilty of a murd... (show quote)

How about voting restrictions? Your side wants them to vote at 16!!!

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Nov 25, 2021 01:07:57   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
woodguru wrote:
I have said I can live with a not guilty of a murder charge verdict, they are hard to prove and the burden is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt...

But too many people are just ignorant enough to read way too much in here, what is the message it sends to a 16 or 17 year old that wants to buy a gun but isn't old enough to legally do that? I'm sure people can figure out the quandary involved when another teen believes that Kyle did it so why shouldn't he be able to?

Juries have always been sympathetic to the idea of "ruining" a young person's life by putting them in prison. Laws exist restricting the age a person can buy, own, and possess guns for a reason, nobody wants underage teenagers carrying guns out in public, especially in emotionally charged situations like protests.

The harsher charge should be the person who bought a gun for a teen in the first place.

I see the teeth in gun age restrictions seriously hurt here.
I have said I can live with a not guilty of a murd... (show quote)
On Hitler's birthday, 1999, Eric Harris (18) and Dylan Klebold (17) launched an assault on Columbine High School, killing 12 students, a teacher and then themselves. They got their guns through straw purchases.

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Nov 25, 2021 01:38:54   #
JW
 
woodguru wrote:
...I see the teeth in gun age restrictions seriously hurt here.


Why? Everything he did was within the law... including killing the scum that attacked him.

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Nov 25, 2021 04:53:04   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
woodguru wrote:
I have said I can live with a not guilty of a murder charge verdict, they are hard to prove and the burden is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt...

But too many people are just ignorant enough to read way too much in here, what is the message it sends to a 16 or 17 year old that wants to buy a gun but isn't old enough to legally do that? I'm sure people can figure out the quandary involved when another teen believes that Kyle did it so why shouldn't he be able to?

Juries have always been sympathetic to the idea of "ruining" a young person's life by putting them in prison. Laws exist restricting the age a person can buy, own, and possess guns for a reason, nobody wants underage teenagers carrying guns out in public, especially in emotionally charged situations like protests.

The harsher charge should be the person who bought a gun for a teen in the first place.

I see the teeth in gun age restrictions seriously hurt here.
I have said I can live with a not guilty of a murd... (show quote)


Your complaint seems to be "if teens can buy guns then violent pedophiles might get killed attacking them"... Your terms are acceptable...

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Nov 25, 2021 06:59:55   #
Rose42
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Your complaint seems to be "if teens can buy guns then violent pedophiles might get killed attacking them"... Your terms are acceptable...


Lol

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Nov 25, 2021 07:48:23   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Your complaint seems to be "if teens can buy guns then violent pedophiles might get killed attacking them"... Your terms are acceptable...


I quite agree I think it’s reasonable.

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Nov 25, 2021 07:53:04   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
woodguru wrote:
I have said I can live with a not guilty of a murder charge verdict, they are hard to prove and the burden is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt...

But too many people are just ignorant enough to read way too much in here, what is the message it sends to a 16 or 17 year old that wants to buy a gun but isn't old enough to legally do that? I'm sure people can figure out the quandary involved when another teen believes that Kyle did it so why shouldn't he be able to?

Juries have always been sympathetic to the idea of "ruining" a young person's life by putting them in prison. Laws exist restricting the age a person can buy, own, and possess guns for a reason, nobody wants underage teenagers carrying guns out in public, especially in emotionally charged situations like protests.

The harsher charge should be the person who bought a gun for a teen in the first place.

I see the teeth in gun age restrictions seriously hurt here.
I have said I can live with a not guilty of a murd... (show quote)


If they found the person not guilty of lesser charges there voice is heard in that not guilty finding.

If you want to fight, truly fight on cleaning up guns stop going after the legal citizens who do it properly and go after the underground gun markets, the Mexican cartel to carry guns across our borders every day all day, the people who break into other peoples homes stealing their guns which should escalate the investigation to find those guns. The gang warfare that goes on with the exchange of stolen guns and or guns they purchased from other gang members etc.

The ones who abide by the law are not the ones creating the Mayham. Seems perfectly logical to go after those that do in fact create the Mayham but you see it’s much easier to come after the citizens who are on record owning weapons then the gangs and criminals who are not.

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Nov 25, 2021 14:47:06   #
The G-Man Loc: Alaska
 
woodguru wrote:
I have said I can live with a not guilty of a murder charge verdict, they are hard to prove and the burden is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt...

But too many people are just ignorant enough to read way too much in here, what is the message it sends to a 16 or 17 year old that wants to buy a gun but isn't old enough to legally do that? I'm sure people can figure out the quandary involved when another teen believes that Kyle did it so why shouldn't he be able to?

Juries have always been sympathetic to the idea of "ruining" a young person's life by putting them in prison. Laws exist restricting the age a person can buy, own, and possess guns for a reason, nobody wants underage teenagers carrying guns out in public, especially in emotionally charged situations like protests.

The harsher charge should be the person who bought a gun for a teen in the first place.

I see the teeth in gun age restrictions seriously hurt here.
I have said I can live with a not guilty of a murd... (show quote)


The AR-15 that Kyle was carrying was a legal gun. As long as the barrel is longer than 18 inches it is registered as a "Long Gun". A 17 year old person in Wisconsin can purchase a "long gun" (not an assault rifle. An "assault rifle" is an automatic machine gun and is illegal anywhere in the country unless the owner has gone through the extreme requirements and obtained a Class 3 license). The AR in AR-15 stand for Almalite which is the company that invented the weapon. The AR-15 is nothing more than another design of a semi-automatic long gun or rifle.

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