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Blurring The Lines Between Religious, Political, And Conspiracy Beliefs...And Making Them People's Reality
Nov 24, 2021 14:40:29   #
woodguru
 
Okay, this is a religiously free country, it is based on the concept that each individual is free to believe whatever religion they want without being persecuted.

Religion has no power in this system, your christian beliefs mean no more than a muslim's beliefs mean, they are the same in the eyes of the law and fellow countrymen. You are free to believe whatever crazy thing you want including QAnon crazy nutjob stupidity, and yes people believe a whole raft of crazy crap there. You will not be jailed or persecuted because you believe stupid things, you will be jailed and persecuted for acting on beliefs in terms of inflicting harm on others that do not believe what you do, and that does include any religious zealots that get carried away with what they believe and cause harm to others.

What you believe and how much power it is supposed to carry is getting way out of hand with the special powers invoking your religious beliefs exempting you from something you are actually opposed to for political reasons, which is where Covid takes us.

Already political beliefs are being bestowed with far more weight and power than personal beliefs should ever have and it is simply because tens of millions of people are starting to believe the same nonsense. There was election fraud, the election was stolen...whatever, believe whatever you want as long as you don't start hurting other people or break the law trying to do something about that thing that you believe.

Contrary to the openly spouted nonsense by Kelly Anne Conway that when enough people believe a lie it becomes the truth, their truth, an alternate truth...a lie is a frigging lie and I don't care how many feeble minded people believe it, it is still a stupid lie.

The republican party is literally making laws that allow a person to invoke their personal beliefs, or morals, or whatever it is they believe to exempt them from laws and they do not have to justify or even say what is is or why they believe that. People can't say I believe it because I heard it on FOX, so what the heck, make it to where whatever a person wants to say they believe has to be respected or honored.

It's already been impossible to get a conservative to support the idiotic rhetoric they spew, now we are seeing legal shifts toward having to respect whatever fools want to believe, because what, it hurts their feelings to have what they believe and feel be disrespected?

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Nov 24, 2021 15:02:41   #
woodguru
 
A few years ago a conservative friend was going on about some stupid rhetorical FOX talking point and I asked him if he wanted to see actual facts that shot his idea all to hell...he said no I don't, this is a free country and I'm free to believe whatever I want to.

I told him actually you are not free to believe whatever stupid things you want as far as politics goes, I told him he had a responsibility to pull his head out of his butt and learn what the facts are, not simply decide whatever nonsense crap he would like to believe as opposed to what the reality is.

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Nov 24, 2021 15:34:35   #
MeadowFields
 
" We are not just in a war with con artists, conspiracy theorists and demagogues. We are in a war with ourselves. Our minds are not designed to see the truth, but to show us selective slices of reality and to prompt us toward predetermined goals. Even worse, they are designed to do all this while giving us the illusion that we are seeing reality . . . . Rather than seek to annihilate self-deception and all it represents, a better goal would be to think carefully about what it does, and ask ourselves how we can work with it."

Self deception does terrible harm to us, to our communities and to the planet. But if it is so bad for us, why is it ubiquitous? Some will argue that, paradoxically self-deception can also play a vital role in our success and well being.
The lies that we tell ourselves sustain our daily interactions with friends, lovers, and coworkers. They can explain why some people live longer than others, why some couples remain in love and others don't, why some nations hold together while others splinter.
These comments are from the promotional dialogue of a newly released book entitled, "Useful Delusions" The power and paradox of the self-deceiving brain, by Shankar Vedantam & Bill Mesler.

I recommend perusing its message and enlightening your mind on the true manner of how our minds really work.

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Nov 24, 2021 16:23:55   #
Carol Kelly
 
woodguru wrote:
A few years ago a conservative friend was going on about some stupid rhetorical FOX talking point and I asked him if he wanted to see actual facts that shot his idea all to hell...he said no I don't, this is a free country and I'm free to believe whatever I want to.

I told him actually you are not free to believe whatever stupid things you want as far as politics goes, I told him he had a responsibility to pull his head out of his butt and learn what the facts are, not simply decide whatever nonsense crap he would like to believe as opposed to what the reality is.
A few years ago a conservative friend was going on... (show quote)


I would give you the same advice.

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Nov 24, 2021 17:08:39   #
vernon
 
woodguru wrote:
A few years ago a conservative friend was going on about some stupid rhetorical FOX talking point and I asked him if he wanted to see actual facts that shot his idea all to hell...he said no I don't, this is a free country and I'm free to believe whatever I want to.

I told him actually you are not free to believe whatever stupid things you want as far as politics goes, I told him he had a responsibility to pull his head out of his butt and learn what the facts are, not simply decide whatever nonsense crap he would like to believe as opposed to what the reality is.
A few years ago a conservative friend was going on... (show quote)


Some people are so entwined with their ideology that they just can't believe the truth.
If we were not free to believe whatever we want, why would we have different political parties.
By the way, who determines what is right and who gave that person (those people) the right to decide?
You attack without even considering if you have the truth or not, you just go with what the lefties say which is mostly 90% lies. You accuse my side of the big lie but the big lie is what the rats did and then denied it.

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Nov 24, 2021 19:54:53   #
MeadowFields
 
" We are not just in a war with con artists, conspiracy theorists and demagogues. We are in a war with ourselves. Our minds are not designed to see the truth, but to show us selective slices of reality and to prompt us toward predetermined goals. Even worse, they are designed to do all this while giving us the illusion that we are seeing reality . . . . Rather than seek to annihilate self-deception and all it represents, a better goal would be to think carefully about what it does, and ask ourselves how we can work with it."

Self deception does terrible harm to us, to our communities and to the planet. But if it is so bad for us, why is it ubiquitous? Some will argue that, paradoxically self-deception can also play a vital role in our success and well being.
The lies that we tell ourselves sustain our daily interactions with friends, lovers, and coworkers. They can explain why some people live longer than others, why some couples remain in love and others don't, why some nations hold together while others splinter.
These comments are from the promotional dialogue of a newly released book entitled, "Useful Delusions" The power and paradox of the self-deceiving brain, by Shankar Vedantam & Bill Mesler.

I recommend perusing its message and enlightening your mind on the true manner of how our minds really work.

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Nov 24, 2021 20:18:20   #
AuntiE Loc: 46th Least Free State
 
woodguru wrote:
Okay, this is a religiously free country, it is based on the concept that each individual is free to believe whatever religion they want without being persecuted.

Religion has no power in this system, your christian beliefs mean no more than a muslim's beliefs mean, they are the same in the eyes of the law and fellow countrymen. You are free to believe whatever crazy thing you want including QAnon crazy nutjob stupidity, and yes people believe a whole raft of crazy crap there. You will not be jailed or persecuted because you believe stupid things, you will be jailed and persecuted for acting on beliefs in terms of inflicting harm on others that do not believe what you do, and that does include any religious zealots that get carried away with what they believe and cause harm to others.

What you believe and how much power it is supposed to carry is getting way out of hand with the special powers invoking your religious beliefs exempting you from something you are actually opposed to for political reasons, which is where Covid takes us.

Already political beliefs are being bestowed with far more weight and power than personal beliefs should ever have and it is simply because tens of millions of people are starting to believe the same nonsense. There was election fraud, the election was stolen...whatever, believe whatever you want as long as you don't start hurting other people or break the law trying to do something about that thing that you believe.

Contrary to the openly spouted nonsense by Kelly Anne Conway that when enough people believe a lie it becomes the truth, their truth, an alternate truth...a lie is a frigging lie and I don't care how many feeble minded people believe it, it is still a stupid lie.

The republican party is literally making laws that allow a person to invoke their personal beliefs, or morals, or whatever it is they believe to exempt them from laws and they do not have to justify or even say what is is or why they believe that. People can't say I believe it because I heard it on FOX, so what the heck, make it to where whatever a person wants to say they believe has to be respected or honored.

It's already been impossible to get a conservative to support the idiotic rhetoric they spew, now we are seeing legal shifts toward having to respect whatever fools want to believe, because what, it hurts their feelings to have what they believe and feel be disrespected?
Okay, this is a religiously free country, it is ba... (show quote)


I will ignore the majority of your diatribe as it lacks basis in fact.

I will address religious exemption for the vaccine. It IS NOT political in a great many instances. It is based on the religious belief that abortion is murder. The vaccines used fetal materials from aborted babies, thus the taking of the vaccine would violate religious beliefs.

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Nov 24, 2021 20:20:59   #
AuntiE Loc: 46th Least Free State
 
woodguru wrote:
A few years ago a conservative friend was going on about some stupid rhetorical FOX talking point and I asked him if he wanted to see actual facts that shot his idea all to hell...he said no I don't, this is a free country and I'm free to believe whatever I want to.

I told him actually you are not free to believe whatever stupid things you want as far as politics goes, I told him he had a responsibility to pull his head out of his butt and learn what the facts are, not simply decide whatever nonsense crap he would like to believe as opposed to what the reality is.
A few years ago a conservative friend was going on... (show quote)


I could give you a half dozen examples of woodguru types doing the same thing. You have no wish to hear anything that does not align with your narrative.

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