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Nov 19, 2021 21:47:28   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Because they act on facts, evidence, and personal freedom rather than raw emotion, distorted data, and blind yielding to the State.


I know that my brother nearly lost his wife my cousin just died and another cousin of mines husband has permanent heart damage--all from C***d. I am raising a grandchild and there have been several outbreaks at her school and one of her teachers died from an outbreak. I am using my personal freedom to protect my family and myself. No distorted data here and nobody holds a gun to my head when I mask up to go to the doctor or go to the grocery store.

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Nov 19, 2021 21:49:21   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
steve66613 wrote:
Why did my doctor tell me not to get the booster?


That is something to ask your doctor. perhaps your 2 v******tions are enough.

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Nov 19, 2021 21:54:11   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Parky60 wrote:
Prove it.

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Nov 19, 2021 21:56:52   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
archie bunker wrote:
Myself as well, Tom. I'm not anti-vax, but I don't trust this one based on first hand observation. I'm not anti mask either. I'll wear one if it's required in certain situations. Hell, a lot of people are more attractive with them on! And, I'm a natural at "social distancing", so I think I'm OK.


You are ok

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Nov 20, 2021 06:48:10   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I really don't care what others do but I have seen plenty from you in regards to the v******ted crowd being spook -goobers the devils own in so many words. I have read all kinds of statistics and they are all over the place depending on how long ago they were and whether it is from a politically biased source. The most recent poll I could find was 47% Republicans have had at least one v******tion and 86% for Democrats. With Red states having more cases for instance Florida with 6% of the US population accounting for 18% of all new cases nationwide.
I really don't care what others do but I have seen... (show quote)



C****av***s in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count
For instance, Florida is 3rd from the bottom.
United States 93,196 28
+30%
cases trajectory last two weeks
49,126 15 +3% 1,133.7 0.34 59%
Michigan › 8,780 88
+78%
cases trajectory last two weeks
3,331 33 +44% 75.7 0.76 54%
Minnesota › 4,225 75
+53%
cases trajectory last two weeks
1,510 27 +38% 22.7 0.40 62%
New Mexico › 1,408 67
+31%
cases trajectory last two weeks
618 29 +29% 13.4 0.64 63%
New Hampshire › 884 65
+39%
cases trajectory last two weeks
306 23 +53% 5.7 0.42 64%
North Dakota › 486 64
–2%
cases trajectory last two weeks
256 34 –2% 6.7 0.88 48%
Wisconsin › 3,495 60
+42%
cases trajectory last two weeks
1,276 22 +26% 19.6 0.34 59%
Maine › 777 58
+60%
cases trajectory last two weeks
289 21 +28% 6.9 0.51 72%
Alaska › 415 57
–31%
cases trajectory last two weeks
145 20 –21% 3.9 0.53 54%
Vermont › 346 55
+30%
cases trajectory last two weeks
58 9 +19% 1.1 0.18 72%
Colorado › 3,122 54
+8%
cases trajectory last two weeks
1,542 27 +12% 35.6 0.62 63%
Utah › 1,632 51
+7%
cases trajectory last two weeks
540 17 –2% 11.6 0.36 55%
Arizona › 3,685 51
+31%
cases trajectory last two weeks
2,353 32 +24% 40.9 0.56 54%
South Dakota › 433 49
+21%
cases trajectory last two weeks
238 27 +24% 3.4 0.39 54%
Montana › 517 48
–21%
cases trajectory last two weeks
313 29 –20% 10.4 0.98 52%
West Virginia › 821 46
+9%
cases trajectory last two weeks
547 30 –12% 16.6 0.92 41%
Nebraska › 885 46
+13%
cases trajectory last two weeks
488 25 +11% 1.9 0.10 57%
Ohio › 5,330 46
+46%
cases trajectory last two weeks
3,136 27 +14% 60.0 0.51 53%
Wyoming › 262 45
–23%
cases trajectory last two weeks
159 28 –16% 7.0 1.21 45%
Pennsylvania › 5,721 45
+43%
cases trajectory last two weeks
3,334 26 +8% 78.0 0.61 62%
Rhode Island › 447 42
+87%
cases trajectory last two weeks
98 9 +28% 2.3 0.22 72%
Indiana › 2,840 42
+70%
cases trajectory last two weeks
1,465 22 +15% 22.7 0.34 50%
Iowa › 1,327 42
+20%
cases trajectory last two weeks
569 18 +11% 14.6 0.46 56%
Kansas › 1,147 39
+44%
cases trajectory last two weeks
466 16 +6% 4.3 0.15 54%
Massachusetts › 2,493 36
+83%
cases trajectory last two weeks
577 8 +33% 15.6 0.23 71%
Delaware › 333 34
+56%
cases trajectory last two weeks
161 17 –9% 4.1 0.43 61%
Illinois › 4,049 32
+62%
cases trajectory last two weeks
1,670 13 +31% 24.4 0.19 61%
New York › 6,177 32
+54%
cases trajectory last two weeks
2,473 13 +8% 32.0 0.16 68%
Kentucky › 1,383 31
+24%
cases trajectory last two weeks
819 18 –3% 37.9 0.85 52%
Idaho › 526 29
–27%
cases trajectory last two weeks
336 19 –26% 16.9 0.94 45%
Northern Mariana Islands › 14 25
+83%
cases trajectory last two weeks
— — — 0 — 65%
Missouri › 1,406 23
+36%
cases trajectory last two weeks
1,063 17 +5% 21.4 0.35 51%
Washington › 1,719 23
–3%
cases trajectory last two weeks
1,079 14 –11% 25.4 0.33 65%
Nevada › 679 22
–19%
cases trajectory last two weeks
700 23 +1% 15.7 0.51 54%
Oklahoma › 838 21
+39%
cases trajectory last two weeks
517 13 –4% 0 — 51%
New Jersey › 1,871 21
+51%
cases trajectory last two weeks
787 9 +8% 13.0 0.15 67%
Connecticut › 738 21
+117%
cases trajectory last two weeks
279 8 +15% 5.9 0.16 72%
Arkansas › 618 20
+45%
cases trajectory last two weeks
373 12 –6% 6.9 0.23 49%
Oregon › 841 20
–17%
cases trajectory last two weeks
544 13 –13% 23.4 0.56 64%
Tennessee › 1,272 19
+36%
cases trajectory last two weeks
806 12 –18% 22.9 0.33 49%
North Carolina › 1,880 18
+15%
cases trajectory last two weeks
1,145 11 –16% 26.6 0.25 54%
Virginia › 1,518 18
+21%
cases trajectory last two weeks
898 11 –12% 24.4 0.29 64%
Guam › 28 17
–54%
cases trajectory last two weeks
— — — 0.6 0.34 73%
U.S. Virgin Islands › 16 15
+55%
cases trajectory last two weeks
2 2 –12% 0.1 0.13 47%
Maryland › 882 15
+29%
cases trajectory last two weeks
723 12 –1% 10.3 0.17 67%
California › 5,735 15
–8%
cases trajectory last two weeks
3,750 9 –12% 100.0 0.25 63%
Washington, D.C. › 94 13
+18%
cases trajectory last two weeks
69 10 +3% 0.3 0.04 64%
South Carolina › 668 13
–10%
cases trajectory last two weeks
463 9 –19% 16.1 0.31 51%
Texas › 3,446 12
+6%
cases trajectory last two weeks
3,332 11 –12% 82.4 0.28 54%
Mississippi › 326 11
+2%
cases trajectory last two weeks
216 7 –15% 6.0 0.20 47%
Georgia › 1,073 10
–3%
cases trajectory last two weeks
1,197 11 –18% 39.3 0.37 49%
Louisiana › 425 9
+10%
cases trajectory last two weeks
204 4 –10% 9.1 0.20 48%
Alabama › 446 9
–22%
cases trajectory last two weeks
411 8 –29% 18.4 0.38 46%
Hawaii › 121 9
+12%
cases trajectory last two weeks
60 4 –27% 3.1 0.22 61%
Florida › 1,413 7
–6%
cases trajectory last two weeks
1,377 6 –25% 54.9 0.26 61%
Puerto Rico › 129 4
+35%
cases trajectory last two weeks
61 2 +3% 0.6 0.02 70%
American Samoa 0 —

cases trajectory last two weeks
0 — — — — 63%
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/c***d-cases.html

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Nov 20, 2021 06:51:46   #
Big Kahuna
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Well?


Because most anti-v**xers are the most well read and intelligent people residing as pro-Americans in the US. After reading volumes of studies on both sides of the v**x/a*****xx situation, the only sane conclusion would be to abstain from the toxic spike protein producing jab. I guess that leaves you out.

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Nov 20, 2021 06:55:39   #
Big Kahuna
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I don't watch much on TV that is not a Western. I do read a lot and look for the best information I can find. If I detect any political bias left or right I know it is Bull piles.


Reading Women's Daily and L***Q info won't cut it as being well read, Tom.

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Nov 20, 2021 06:58:06   #
American Vet
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I have read other reports saying that B****s have a higher v******tion rate than W****s. There is a lot of conflicting information on that. I would give you some sources but I am not much when it comes to making things work on a computer.


I have not read a single report indicating B****s have a higher v******tion rate. And, I noted 'minorities, not B***k A******ns.

Here is some info you might find interesting:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/survey-minority-groups-most-hesitant-to-get-c****-**-v*****e/ar-BB1dP4AQ

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2021/01/30/racial-minorities-in-america-are-much-more-v*****e-hesitant

https://nypost.com/2021/07/31/young-people-minorities-less-likely-to-get-c***d-v*****e/

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Nov 20, 2021 06:59:02   #
Big Kahuna
 
archie bunker wrote:
Myself as well, Tom. I'm not anti-vax, but I don't trust this one based on first hand observation. I'm not anti mask either. I'll wear one if it's required in certain situations. Hell, a lot of people are more attractive with them on! And, I'm a natural at "social distancing", so I think I'm OK.


That mask really helps Whoopie Goldberg to look a little better. She rates as a -20 without the mask and only a -10 when wearing the mask. Of course with the new math all lefties will tell you that -20 is better than a -10.

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Nov 20, 2021 07:01:27   #
Big Kahuna
 
archie bunker wrote:
Myself as well, Tom. I'm not anti-vax, but I don't trust this one based on first hand observation. I'm not anti mask either. I'll wear one if it's required in certain situations. Hell, a lot of people are more attractive with them on! And, I'm a natural at "social distancing", so I think I'm OK.


I'm with you Archie. I have been social distancing my whole life. I try to stay away from the rift raft. Nowadays that includes 70% of the populace.

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Nov 20, 2021 07:04:44   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
drlarrygino wrote:
Reading Women's Daily and L***Q info won't cut it as being well read, Tom.


I can always count on you so same to you but more of it lol

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Nov 20, 2021 07:08:15   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
American Vet wrote:
I have not read a single report indicating B****s ... (show quote)


Thanks for your personal attention. I appreciate that

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Nov 20, 2021 07:22:25   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Well?


Probably because the data, propaganda, political redress of it doesn’t add up..stop reading the lying media of the US, look elsewhere…

The longer this goes on the more we find out if your open minded enough to take “ everything” into consideration and not blindly go into the abyss of BS the less we know..
What can we believe??first we were told v*****es would cure it, quell the rising numbers, protect you.. Then we learned well not exactly.. Even v****d you can still get it, spread it and die…
So whats the difference?? Are we allowed to admit that the v*****es failed to end the p******c, yet? Sure we are and they haven’t ended yet …

Are we allowed to admit that the v*****es failed to end the p******c, yet? Sure we are…

Also how do you know what you claimed ?? Got an article on it, please share..

BTW how do you what you claimed?? Got something on it?? Please share…
C****-** is generally less severe in v******ted patients but that does not mean breakthrough infections will be benign, a large study shows. Researchers analyzed data collected by the U.S. Veterans Affairs Administration from 16,035 survivors of breakthrough infections, 48,536 unv******ted C****-** survivors and nearly 3.6 million uninfected people. At six months after infection, after taking their risk factors into account, people with breakthrough infections had lower rates of death and long-term lingering health problems than C****-** patients who had not been v******ted. But compared to people who never had C****-**, those who had breakthrough infections had a 53% higher risk of death and a 59% higher risk of having at least one new medical condition, particularly problems affecting the lungs and other organs. Even when breakthrough infections did not require hospitalization, the increased risks of death and lasting effects were "not trivial," the research team reported on Monday on Research Square ahead of peer review. "The overall burden of death and disease following breakthrough C****-** will likely be substantial," the researchers conclude.

V*****e passports would allow infections to be missed

"V*****e passports" that exempt v******ted people from regular C****-** testing would allow many infections to be missed, Israeli data suggest. Researchers analyzed infection rates in citizens returning to Israel through Ben-Gurion airport, for whom PCR tests upon arrival are required regardless of v******tion status. "Surprisingly," in August 2021, the rate of positive tests among v******ted travelers was more than double the rate among the unv******ted, said Retsef Levi of the MIT Sloan School of Management, coauthor of a report posted on the SSRN server ahead of peer review. Travelers who had received the second dose of the P****r/BioNTech v*****e within the past six months or who had received a booster dose were considered v******ted. The group considered to be unv******ted included the never-v******ted and those whose most recent shot was more than six months prior, given evidence of waning v*****e efficacy by then. In September, when the Israeli government was recommending booster shots for all adults, the positive-test rate dropped among v******ted travelers and was about 3.5 times lower with v******tion than without. By October, the positive-test rate in the v******ted group, while still lower, had started to climb again, Levi said. The data suggest that limiting frequent C****-** testing to unv******ted people would "pose potential risks by reinforcing the misrepresentation that v******ted individuals are protected from infections."

Masks, social distancing still worthwhile

Mask wearing and physical distancing are tied to reductions in the spread of C****-** and should be continued, according to researchers who reviewed 72 previous studies. When they analyzed results from eight of the studies in detail, they saw a 53% reduction in the incidence of C****-** with mask wearing and a 25% reduction with physical distancing. There is not yet enough data to confirm the overall benefits of more stringent measures such as lockdowns, school and workplace closures, and border closures, the researchers reported on Thursday in The BMJ. Very few of the studies analyzed were randomized trials, so they cannot prove the interventions directly reduced infection rates. Still, the researchers conclude, "It is likely that further control of the C****-** p******c depends not only on high v******tion coverage and its effectiveness but also on ongoing adherence to effective and sustainable public health measures."

https://news.yahoo.com/breakthrough-infections-raise-health-death-192154873.html

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Nov 20, 2021 07:40:09   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I know that my brother nearly lost his wife my cousin just died and another cousin of mines husband has permanent heart damage--all from C***d. I am raising a grandchild and there have been several outbreaks at her school and one of her teachers died from an outbreak. I am using my personal freedom to protect my family and myself. No distorted data here and nobody holds a gun to my head when I mask up to go to the doctor or go to the grocery store.


Good for you… I am now 23 months c***d free, no jab, social distance, wear my mask out in the general public, take my standard 2000 units of Vitamin E daily and always have not for v***s claims and always keep my home clean, disinfected etc.. All a personal choice…

My Dr tells me natural immunity is better and lasts longer than these claimed reports it too is only about a 6 month hold out, just like the v****d only good for 6 months and we do now know is true..

Glad your family is v***s free.. Unfortunate for your cousins or the other people you made reference to…

By the way I have a friend with a family of four all v******ted, and all contracted it from one of her sons girlfriends. Out of caution they got tested everyone had it. The boys in a milder form she and her husband very sick within days.. Concerned the husband is going to be admitted for a lower left lobe lung pneumonia.

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Nov 20, 2021 07:40:24   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
lindajoy wrote:
Probably because the data, propaganda, political redress of it doesn’t add up..stop reading the lying media of the US, look elsewhere…

The longer this goes on the more we find out if your open minded enough to take “ everything” into consideration and not blindly go into the abyss of BS the less we know..
What can we believe??first we were told v*****es would cure it, quell the rising numbers, protect you.. Then we learned well not exactly.. Even v****d you can still get it, spread it and die…
So whats the difference?? Are we allowed to admit that the v*****es failed to end the p******c, yet? Sure we are and they haven’t ended yet …

Are we allowed to admit that the v*****es failed to end the p******c, yet? Sure we are…

Also how do you know what you claimed ?? Got an article on it, please share..

BTW how do you what you claimed?? Got something on it?? Please share…
C****-** is generally less severe in v******ted patients but that does not mean breakthrough infections will be benign, a large study shows. Researchers analyzed data collected by the U.S. Veterans Affairs Administration from 16,035 survivors of breakthrough infections, 48,536 unv******ted C****-** survivors and nearly 3.6 million uninfected people. At six months after infection, after taking their risk factors into account, people with breakthrough infections had lower rates of death and long-term lingering health problems than C****-** patients who had not been v******ted. But compared to people who never had C****-**, those who had breakthrough infections had a 53% higher risk of death and a 59% higher risk of having at least one new medical condition, particularly problems affecting the lungs and other organs. Even when breakthrough infections did not require hospitalization, the increased risks of death and lasting effects were "not trivial," the research team reported on Monday on Research Square ahead of peer review. "The overall burden of death and disease following breakthrough C****-** will likely be substantial," the researchers conclude.

V*****e passports would allow infections to be missed

"V*****e passports" that exempt v******ted people from regular C****-** testing would allow many infections to be missed, Israeli data suggest. Researchers analyzed infection rates in citizens returning to Israel through Ben-Gurion airport, for whom PCR tests upon arrival are required regardless of v******tion status. "Surprisingly," in August 2021, the rate of positive tests among v******ted travelers was more than double the rate among the unv******ted, said Retsef Levi of the MIT Sloan School of Management, coauthor of a report posted on the SSRN server ahead of peer review. Travelers who had received the second dose of the P****r/BioNTech v*****e within the past six months or who had received a booster dose were considered v******ted. The group considered to be unv******ted included the never-v******ted and those whose most recent shot was more than six months prior, given evidence of waning v*****e efficacy by then. In September, when the Israeli government was recommending booster shots for all adults, the positive-test rate dropped among v******ted travelers and was about 3.5 times lower with v******tion than without. By October, the positive-test rate in the v******ted group, while still lower, had started to climb again, Levi said. The data suggest that limiting frequent C****-** testing to unv******ted people would "pose potential risks by reinforcing the misrepresentation that v******ted individuals are protected from infections."

Masks, social distancing still worthwhile

Mask wearing and physical distancing are tied to reductions in the spread of C****-** and should be continued, according to researchers who reviewed 72 previous studies. When they analyzed results from eight of the studies in detail, they saw a 53% reduction in the incidence of C****-** with mask wearing and a 25% reduction with physical distancing. There is not yet enough data to confirm the overall benefits of more stringent measures such as lockdowns, school and workplace closures, and border closures, the researchers reported on Thursday in The BMJ. Very few of the studies analyzed were randomized trials, so they cannot prove the interventions directly reduced infection rates. Still, the researchers conclude, "It is likely that further control of the C****-** p******c depends not only on high v******tion coverage and its effectiveness but also on ongoing adherence to effective and sustainable public health measures."

https://news.yahoo.com/breakthrough-infections-raise-health-death-192154873.html
Probably because the data, propaganda, political r... (show quote)
At the end of your post the statistics on mask wearing and social distancing are encouraging

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