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Oct 25, 2021 15:31:21   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
Michael10 wrote:
At the rate we are going this planet won't be inhabitable in 100 years we must start trying new things now. Take the money given to the f****l f**l industry and put it into studying new forms of energy. Stop supporting a dying industry with tax dollars.


***At the rate we are going this planet won't be inhabitable in 100 years we must start trying new things now.

>>>And that is the big illusion fueling the insanity of sun/wind power and electric vehicles

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Oct 25, 2021 16:52:19   #
American Vet
 
RobertX8Y wrote:
Electricity generated from solar panels is storable in batteries.

That means that the solar energy collected during the day can be stored into a battery, and the energy in the battery can be used at night.

It's actually somewhat like a flashlight that uses batteries. The energy in the batteries got put into the batteries at some time. But the flashlight works at a later time, which doesn't have to be at the same time the batteries got the energy put into them.

It's also somewhat like gasoline. The energy that's in the gasoline got there from millions of years before when the solar energy got converted into petroleum, and now millions of years later we can use that energy, even though it got stored in petroleum form at a different time. So you're able to drive your gasoline-powered car (or big truck) even at times when that petroleum is not being formed. That's if you don't run out of gasoline and petroleum, or die from smog or some c*****e-c****e-induced catastrophe first.

In our next episode, we will explain why wind energy can be used even when the wind isn't blowing. (It's basically the same idea: the energy gets stored for later use.)

Also in your post is this: "The electric grid structure for a suburban street one block long has the capacity to charge at most 5 cars at a time." Given that it came from the same article as said the "solar panels don't work at night", it might be similarly misleading. But supposing it's true, there are various options. One of them is to charge the cars somewhere else, like at the workplace or at some charging station facility designed to handle the demand. There might be a short shuttle ride from a charging facility to the office where the commuter works. Another option is to upgrade the grid. And I think cars could have solar panels on their top surfaces (storing the energy into the battery). That might become standard. Some other options involve changing city designs so that people don't have to drive so much anyway. It may not be necessary that out-of-shape couch potatoes, whose bodies desperately need physical exercise such as walking, all have to drive their individual big gasoline-powered trucks to the grocery store just to get small items every other day.

The first gasoline-powered car couldn't have been very practical (though it may have been "cute"), as there would have been a lack of roads and gasoline stations back then. With time, some new developments become practical. It's wrong to write them off just because they're not totally practical in all situations right now.
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Interesting comments.

It is also wrong to force people into a technology that really hasn't been proven yet - and to abandon other possibilities. The old adage about 'putting all you eggs into one basket'.

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Oct 25, 2021 17:27:16   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Michael10 wrote:
At the rate we are going this planet won't be inhabitable in 100 years we must start trying new things now. Take the money given to the f****l f**l industry and put it into studying new forms of energy. Stop supporting a dying industry with tax dollars.


The earth has been way warmer than now 90% of its existence.

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Oct 25, 2021 17:32:44   #
Michael10
 
American Vet wrote:
Interesting comments.

It is also wrong to force people into a technology that really hasn't been proven yet - and to abandon other possibilities. The old adage about 'putting all you eggs into one basket'.


How are people being forced into this? Just like the horse and buggy no one made people swap it was done because people recognized it was a better solution for travel. Now we have the technology to change things and just like then there will be people who won't go that way. Change is really hard for some people to do but it is one of the two constants in this world change and death.

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Oct 25, 2021 18:06:25   #
American Vet
 
Michael10 wrote:
How are people being forced into this?


https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/09/23/governor-newsom-announces-california-will-phase-out-gasoline-powered-cars-drastically-reduce-demand-for-fossil-fuel-in-californias-fight-against-c*****e-c****e/

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/08/business/biden-uaw-electric-vehicles-climate/index.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-03/eu-aims-to-have-30-million-electric-cars-on-the-road-by-2030

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltaylor/2021/07/14/eu-suggests-date-for-the-end-of-combustion-powered-cars-suvs/

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Oct 25, 2021 18:50:13   #
Michael10
 


Since when do republicans believe the main stream media. When the government comes to your house and takes your car is when you'll be forced into this, all the other is hyperbole. Kinda like guns, the government has been going to take them as long as I can remember, I've still got all of mine.

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Oct 25, 2021 18:51:07   #
RobertX8Y
 
American Vet wrote:
Interesting comments.

It is also wrong to force people into a technology that really hasn't been proven yet - and to abandon other possibilities. The old adage about 'putting all you eggs into one basket'.


Thank you.

I was going to tone down my rhetoric a bit more, but it was too late to edit. I'm relieved that you don't seem to have been offended.

It's reasonable to reduce pollution by laws or mandates (because pollution affects everybody); but of course that has to be done carefully so as not to suddenly leave a lot of people without viable options.

Individually I wanted to pollute less. So I got a plug-in hybrid car. It gives me a lot of control over how much gasoline I, _directly_, burn. I still use power from the grid, to charge it; and I don't yet have much control over how that power got generated. One step at a time. When (or if) the grid power is generated ecologically, I'll be ready, having already upgraded to one or two steps past gasoline at the individual vehicle level.

I'd like an all-electric vehicle, but am not ready to make that leap. Plug-in hybrid seemed my best option for now. It'll do 60 miles on a charge before it starts the internal combustion engine, and even after that it gets better than 40 mpg. When I need to do a long drive and have to burn some gasoline, I may feel guilty about it but at least I'll get to my destination and not be stranded (I haven't yet done the research about using charging stations along the way).

If I were really dedicated I might stop driving altogether, but I'm not ready to make that leap either. Maybe I should be, even if nobody else stops driving.

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Oct 26, 2021 06:24:32   #
guzzimaestro
 
The whole premise of wind and solar relies on batteries, which aren't capable of providing the power needed with the present technology. Our electric grid is incapable of sustaining the power needed to charge all those batteries. California is already suffering from blackouts and brownouts, not to mention incompetent leadership. The rare earth metals required for solar are already being depleted faster than petroleum. The materials for wind turbines aren't recyclable either. I envision some new kind of clean burning fuel being developed before wind or solar problems can be worked out, if ever. Hrdrogen? Maybe. We'll see. Meantime the internal combustion petroleum engine will have to keep chugging along

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Oct 26, 2021 09:02:07   #
American Vet
 
Michael10 wrote:
Since when do republicans believe the main stream media. When the government comes to your house and takes your car is when you'll be forced into this, all the other is hyperbole. Kinda like guns, the government has been going to take them as long as I can remember, I've still got all of mine.


>>>Since when do republicans believe the main stream media.

You make several assumptions:
What makes you think I am a Republican?
Since the items I posted are from the MSM, do you believe them?
Also noted you failed to comment on the content of the items.



>>>Kinda like guns, the government has been going to take them as long as I can remember, I've still got all of mine.

No, just the l*****t in government have been threatening to take your guns. Fortunately there are groups that love America and freedom working hard to keep them at bay.

Keep in mind, 'they' don't have to "take your guns' to render them ineffective. Consider the myriad of gun control laws all designed to gradually keep them out of use. And, of course, more will follow. Thus the old adage about 'the nose of the camel'.

Here are just a few examples.

The Oregon state Legislature has introduced two different bills requiring gun owners to lock their their firearms when not in use.

Massachusetts: Section 131L. (a) It shall be unlawful to store or keep any firearm, rifle or shotgun including, but not limited to, large capacity weapons, or machine gun in any place unless such weapon is secured in a locked container

California: What is proper storage inside a vehicle?
To store or t***sport a handgun legally within a vehicle, it must be:
unloaded,
locked in the trunk of the vehicle or in a locked container inside the vehicle, and
apparent and not concealed inside the vehicle.

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Oct 26, 2021 09:04:04   #
American Vet
 
RobertX8Y wrote:
Thank you.

I was going to tone down my rhetoric a bit more, but it was too late to edit. I'm relieved that you don't seem to have been offended.

It's reasonable to reduce pollution by laws or mandates (because pollution affects everybody); but of course that has to be done carefully so as not to suddenly leave a lot of people without viable options.

Individually I wanted to pollute less. So I got a plug-in hybrid car. It gives me a lot of control over how much gasoline I, _directly_, burn. I still use power from the grid, to charge it; and I don't yet have much control over how that power got generated. One step at a time. When (or if) the grid power is generated ecologically, I'll be ready, having already upgraded to one or two steps past gasoline at the individual vehicle level.

I'd like an all-electric vehicle, but am not ready to make that leap. Plug-in hybrid seemed my best option for now. It'll do 60 miles on a charge before it starts the internal combustion engine, and even after that it gets better than 40 mpg. When I need to do a long drive and have to burn some gasoline, I may feel guilty about it but at least I'll get to my destination and not be stranded (I haven't yet done the research about using charging stations along the way).

If I were really dedicated I might stop driving altogether, but I'm not ready to make that leap either. Maybe I should be, even if nobody else stops driving.
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Interesting comments. But there are a LOT of problems with 'all electric' vehicles.

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Oct 26, 2021 09:13:29   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
SGM B wrote:
Every time some smug l*****t driving a Tesla passes my twin turbo F150 I always look at my Distance to Empty notice and wonder if said Tesla will run half that far on a full charge. By the way, my fully loaded F150 truck with the 3.5 ltr, twin turbo V6 routine gets 25mpg on the highway. With a 26 gl fuel tank, that works out to roughly 650 miles - day or night. I’m not sure of the range of a Tesla, or any other electric car, but I suspect it’s probably less than half that number.
So, that being said - I would not trade my F150 for any electric, or hybrid vehicle. Especially if I have to start making payments on the difference. 🤣🤣👍👍
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How about that Tesla in an accident compared to ur truck! No more yuppie! Ah, progressive!

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Oct 26, 2021 09:19:32   #
American Vet
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
How about that Tesla in an accident compared to ur truck! No more yuppie! Ah, progressive!


I believe there was a study done several years back that concluded there would be about 10,000 more deaths/serious injuries related to the small, lightweight cars.

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Oct 26, 2021 09:38:55   #
SGM B Loc: TEXAS but live in Alabama now
 
American Vet wrote:
I believe there was a study done several years back that concluded there would be about 10,000 more deaths/serious injuries related to the small, lightweight cars.


IMHO, small lightweight cars, when involved in freeway speed accidents, are basically coffins on wheels.

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Oct 26, 2021 14:33:30   #
MajG
 
Michael10 wrote:
At the rate we are going this planet won't be inhabitable in 100 years we must start trying new things now. Take the money given to the f****l f**l industry and put it into studying new forms of energy. Stop supporting a dying industry with tax dollars.


Some of have been around a while. For 30+ years now we have heard the whining and crying that the world would end in 10 years or less because we drove f****l f**l vehicles and heated our homes with fossils too. Silly children and other profits of doom were wrong again, and again, and again. If government can't stop telemarketers what makes you think they have control of the entire planet? Eeek, it gets cold in the winter. Eek, eek the summer is hot. Brilliant observation, Sherlock.
100+ years ago there were electric cars, also steam power. They were not practical and died out. Of course now days even the poorest family can afford a Tesla, they'll run 900 miles on a 2 hr charge and last 30 years or so.
The technology isn't there yet.
It is however a chance to make money on fools. Some of that survived the Ice Age of the 70's know this.Those that believe the AlGores of the world. Ships and trains and cars and planes will run on money if only we give them a try, right?
What Fed money goes to f****l f**ls? Did the Magic Bunny tell you that?
Where will we get all that electricity for all those marvelous long range cars? Well, Bunny?

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Oct 26, 2021 15:22:48   #
The Ms.
 
American Vet wrote:
Solar Panels Don’t Work At Night

In fact they don’t work when it’s snowing, raining, or cloudy either. The t***h is that they don’t work very much at all. But let’s focus on this idea. They do not work when it’s dark.

Generally, cars are driven mostly during the day. And electric cars are no different. However there is an extra step with those admittedly cute electric vehicles: driven in the day, charged up at night.

Live in an apartment building? Can you imagine everyone trying to charge their cars during the evening? Hundreds of people from one building.

And the suburbs are in an even worse situation. The electric grid structure for a suburban street one block long has the capacity to charge at most 5 cars at a time. But the demand will be for many times that number.

You guessed it, damage to the grid system will occur. Blackouts, here we come.

https://conservativefiringline.com/how-you-can-destroy-the-green-new-deal-with-six-little-words/
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From what I read cars lose half the mileage if air and heat are used. When I lived in Fl. I did solar for pool! Co would not do whole house because they advised it didn’t work as hoped. Just some thoughts.

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