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Sep 24, 2021 07:21:53   #
Liberty Tree
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Michael, From my posts, you can clearly see that I am a hundred percent against Trump. My issues are not progressive, they are American. I am for curtailing green house gasses. I am against Trump and everything he stands for, because he is a sociopath, not because he is conservative. If Trump were a Democrat,( which he once was) I would v**e for anybody else, or write in for somebody else. I clearly am a passionate man in my beliefs. They are liberal, but not progressive. I do agree with some of the progressive ideas, but certainly not all. I am a liberal!
Michael, From my posts, you can clearly see that I... (show quote)


You cannot support today's Democrat agenda and still say you are not progressive and are pro Amerca. Now tell us what a great job Biden is doing.

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Sep 24, 2021 08:15:21   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
You cannot support today's Democrat agenda and still say you are not progressive and are pro Amerca. Now tell us what a great job Biden is doing.


How much of what you don’t like about Dems actually affects you ?
Trump ran on the Progressive Platform .
And so called …won.
After he won he forgot all about it.
Apparently so did his constituents.

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Sep 24, 2021 09:16:21   #
Liberty Tree
 
Milosia2 wrote:
How much of what you don’t like about Dems actually affects you ?
Trump ran on the Progressive Platform .
And so called …won.
After he won he forgot all about it.
Apparently so did his constituents.


Policies that cause inflation and loss of goods and services, threats from untested and unvetted i******s being sent all over the country, indoctrination of children and grandchildren, the destruction of the nation's moral fiber, increase in crime, lower morale in the military who protect us, etc.

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Sep 24, 2021 09:53:40   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
[quote=America 1]
saltwind 78 wrote:
As everybody that participates in OPP knows, I am to the left of center. I consider myself an old-fashioned FDR- JFK liberal, not a " progressive.

This troubles you some,
Bernie Sanders defends Ilhan Omar, says we must not 'equate anti-Semitism' with 'legitimate criticism' of Israel's 'right-wing' government
https://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-ilhan-omar-anti-semitism-israel-criticism-2019-3

And that is your Democrat v****g preference.
Why?


That's a bingo

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Sep 24, 2021 09:55:42   #
moldyoldy
 
Gman65 wrote:
I sum your past three posts in reference to this subject as this. Either you're for America or you're against America. And I'm leaning towards the second choice . AGAINST.


Your version of America is f*****m.

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Sep 24, 2021 10:36:43   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Your version of America is f*****m.



The ultimate progressive was Karl Marx and his Manifesto has the seeds of f*****m.

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Sep 24, 2021 11:02:52   #
moldyoldy
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
The ultimate progressive was Karl Marx and his Manifesto has the seeds of f*****m.



Marx saw that the elite would take over with capitalism and control everything. Our bought and paid for politicians prove his point. Progressives support a system that is fairer to all people.
Marxism is a social, political, and economic philosophy named after Karl Marx. It examines the effect of capitalism on labor, productivity, and economic development and argues for a worker revolution to overturn capitalism in favor of c*******m.

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Sep 24, 2021 11:04:19   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Liberty, I don't v**e for progressives, I v**e against the Trump people. I would never v**e for Sanders or Omar. I would sooner write in for a politician I agree with.


That's kind of nutty to me. He kept his promises. What more could you want from a president, human being, or God? Growing up I was always a NY Yankee fan, but I was never a damn Yankee which means the same as a carpet bagger to me. To each his own I guess. The AZ. audit is supposed to be released today. Maybe that will change your mind and heart.

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Sep 24, 2021 11:43:50   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Marx saw that the elite would take over with capitalism and control everything. Our bought and paid for politicians prove his point. Progressives support a system that is fairer to all people.
Marxism is a social, political, and economic philosophy named after Karl Marx. It examines the effect of capitalism on labor, productivity, and economic development and argues for a worker revolution to overturn capitalism in favor of c*******m.



Fairer to all people? Fairer according to whom? Of course, you and your fellow progressives. Well, I have news for you. far from everyone agrees with you and you can only force your view at the point of a gun.

Why are those politicians bought & paid for? Why because people like you have interjected government into the economic system which, constitutionally, was not supposed to happen.

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Sep 24, 2021 12:10:22   #
moldyoldy
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Fairer to all people? Fairer according to whom? Of course, you and your fellow progressives. Well, I have news for you. far from everyone agrees with you and you can only force your view at the point of a gun.

Why are those politicians bought & paid for? Why because people like you have interjected government into the economic system which, constitutionally, was not supposed to happen.



All those republicans doing the bidding of Exxon and coal despite the obvious damage to the climate and the people..



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Sep 24, 2021 13:43:24   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
As everybody that participates in OPP knows, I am to the left of center. I consider myself an old fashioned FDR- JFK liberal, not a " progressive. The two terms are often used interchangeably, but not by me. I am for an increased minimum wage, better health care, and above all civil rights, as well as other liberal programs.
The new progressive movement a la Bernie Sands and Omar presents a problem for me. First of all, the progressive call to spend three trillion bucks plus on their program, without presenting a plan to pay for it. Thats a hell of a lot of money.
I don't like giving money to people without some kind of goal. It seems to me that if we give a lot of money to everybody that asks for it, we are doing them harm. We need to improve the little guys life, but not do away with the incentive to work. Why should anybody work, if they get money for doing nothing? Have you noticed that high school kids are not working in spite of all the help wanted signs all over the place? I don't know about you, but I started working at twelve, putting together the Sunday New York Times in a candy store. I haven't missed a days work since I was married fifty two years ago. Thats why I'm not a progressive!
As everybody that participates in OPP knows, I am ... (show quote)

JFK was a Republican in democrat clothes!

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Sep 24, 2021 13:44:16   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
Michael Rich wrote:
Are you sure that the balance scales would prove out your self assessment?

From your posts it would appear that you are very progressive.


And radically left of center like slanten!

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Sep 24, 2021 13:45:38   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Michael, From my posts, you can clearly see that I am a hundred percent against Trump. My issues are not progressive, they are American. I am for curtailing green house gasses. I am against Trump and everything he stands for, because he is a sociopath, not because he is conservative. If Trump were a Democrat,( which he once was) I would v**e for anybody else, or write in for somebody else. I clearly am a passionate man in my beliefs. They are liberal, but not progressive. I do agree with some of the progressive ideas, but certainly not all. I am a liberal!
Michael, From my posts, you can clearly see that I... (show quote)

If you were an American you would have v**ed for a patriot like president Trump!!!

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Sep 24, 2021 13:46:22   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
As everybody that participates in OPP knows, I am to the left of center. I consider myself an old fashioned FDR- JFK liberal, not a " progressive. The two terms are often used interchangeably, but not by me. I am for an increased minimum wage, better health care, and above all civil rights, as well as other liberal programs.
The new progressive movement a la Bernie Sands and Omar presents a problem for me. First of all, the progressive call to spend three trillion bucks plus on their program, without presenting a plan to pay for it. Thats a hell of a lot of money.
I don't like giving money to people without some kind of goal. It seems to me that if we give a lot of money to everybody that asks for it, we are doing them harm. We need to improve the little guys life, but not do away with the incentive to work. Why should anybody work, if they get money for doing nothing? Have you noticed that high school kids are not working in spite of all the help wanted signs all over the place? I don't know about you, but I started working at twelve, putting together the Sunday New York Times in a candy store. I haven't missed a days work since I was married fifty two years ago. Thats why I'm not a progressive!
As everybody that participates in OPP knows, I am ... (show quote)

Blame it on their liberal parents!

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Sep 24, 2021 14:14:55   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
As everybody that participates in OPP knows, I am to the left of center. I consider myself an old fashioned FDR- JFK liberal, not a " progressive. The two terms are often used interchangeably, but not by me. I am for an increased minimum wage, better health care, and above all civil rights, as well as other liberal programs.
The new progressive movement a la Bernie Sands and Omar presents a problem for me. First of all, the progressive call to spend three trillion bucks plus on their program, without presenting a plan to pay for it. Thats a hell of a lot of money.
I don't like giving money to people without some kind of goal. It seems to me that if we give a lot of money to everybody that asks for it, we are doing them harm. We need to improve the little guys life, but not do away with the incentive to work. Why should anybody work, if they get money for doing nothing? Have you noticed that high school kids are not working in spite of all the help wanted signs all over the place? I don't know about you, but I started working at twelve, putting together the Sunday New York Times in a candy store. I haven't missed a days work since I was married fifty two years ago. Thats why I'm not a progressive!
As everybody that participates in OPP knows, I am ... (show quote)


Both FDR and JFK would be appalled at the people and policies you have supported.

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