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Sep 19, 2021 20:43:48   #
trashbaum
 
PeterS wrote:
C*******m is the ownership of all production by the state. Name a single individual who proposed for that to happen?


Name a single individual who proposed for that to happen. LOL that is easy, Nasty peeloosely The wicked witch of the west.

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Sep 19, 2021 21:14:12   #
trashbaum
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
Fraud was all to obvious that even a fool like those of you on the left could see, but never admit because of your hatred of Trump. And I don't blame biden directly. I don't think he ever had the intellectual capacity on his best days to pull that off, much less with his current senility. The Arizona audit will be out soon and prove that it was happening. If they prove that the Arizona e******n w*s f********t, and I said "IF", would you then admit it?

I'm not a lawyer so I can't argue on why those cases weren't heard in court, but I've seen to much from over a thousand sworn affidavits, to changing numbers, to sudden shutdowns of counting, to only start recounting as soon as observers went home, over and over again, Mail in b****ts fraud, the list goes on and on. You would have to be totally brain dead to not believe it. Was it enough to swing the e******n might be an argument, but no fraud, no way.
As usual
Logically Right
Fraud was all to obvious that even a fool like tho... (show quote)


No fraud? Guess you have a new name for fraud, although not very logical.

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Sep 20, 2021 13:43:49   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Good, Hillary and most of Washington DC don't want you to know who Seth Rich was; but Sussman does, and he's sweating a little over it; you see, Seth Rich was the reason for the whole Russian collusion excuse.

What was the Russian collusion excuse?

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Sep 20, 2021 14:30:20   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
JW wrote:
Our interaction is getting too stretched out so forgive me if I miss a salient point. It's difficult to find one in the jungle of irrelevant verbiage you let flow.

Point #1, the issue is electing the President, not establishing Congress. Your history lesson is misdirected and irrelevant. Read Federalist Paper 68. It explains why the e*******l college was established by those who established it.

I'm not talking about establishing Congress. I *AM* talking about electing the President.
I *have* read #68 and I KNOW why the EC was established. In fact I stated what that reason was...

Here's what I wrote...
"there's nothing wrong with the EC itself, which is another design by the founders, the purpose of which is to provide surrogate v**ers in place of the representatives themselves during p**********l e******ns to avoid corruption.

What part of this is so confusing for you? I can't make it any clearer than that JW - you just need to read what people are writing instead of reacting to what you THINK they are writing.

JW wrote:

Point #2, anyone who would choose to live in a democracy is a political neophyte or a complete fool. There is no system more likely to fall prey to a tyrant and no organization more unstable. A Constitutional Republic is, as the JC creed and other American creeds, like the Pledge of Allegiance, state, a Republic, a nation of laws. The simple fact that people v**e does not establish a system as a democracy. A better explanation of a democracy, https://www.bing.com/search?q=democracy+meaning&form=ANNTH1&refig=cf9030f6eb2f406182db5bc7cf6cfadf&sp=5&qs=AS&pq=democracy&sk=EP1LS3&sc=8-9&cvid=cf9030f6eb2f406182db5bc7cf6cfadf
br Point #2, anyone who would choose to live in a... (show quote)

Well, I'm trying not laugh here. You are waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy off.

You even provided a link to a Bing search that provides more of the same definitions that I've been using, which are nothing like what you are describing.

I mean, here you are, talking about our e******n system while denying that we're a democracy... E******n systems don't exist outside a democracy! That *IS* the very definition of what a democracy is! If you have an e******n system, you ARE a democracy! Democracy is not a specific "ism", it's a broad category, so a democracy might not be direct (which is how some people are *trying* to redefine democracy) it could also an indirect or representative democracy, which is what WE are.

Some democracies don't might not even work very well and some seem to be more for show... but the definition of democracy is any system where citizens v**e. It *IS* that simple.

We ALSO just happen to be a republic, another broad category that covers any variety of government led by an elected president, which by itself would not be possible for a system that is NOT also a democracy because if you're not a democracy you can't elect a president!

JW wrote:

Point #3, I'll look into your link on the lawsuit and get back to you, thank you.

Added: Trump didn't make the request, the Justice dept. did. It was a legal maneuver to absolve Trump of the defense costs since the litigant's accusation was part of a political campaign. The article makes a remarkable claim: that a President is not entitled to the same shield as accorded all other elected officials.


I don't see that anywhere in the article I referenced. Are you looking at something different?

As for the request... which one? Trump's legal team *did* request a delay in the proceedings while they try to negotiate whether or not the United States of America can stand trial for what Trump said instead of himself. Are you referring to an excuse for negotiating that switch?

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Sep 20, 2021 14:31:55   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
trashbaum wrote:
Name a single individual who proposed for that to happen. LOL that is easy, Nasty peeloosely The wicked witch of the west.

Oh, really? Nancy Pelosi proposed that ALL production should be owned by the state? Can you please show me where she said that?

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Sep 20, 2021 15:09:33   #
Mikeyavelli
 
straightUp wrote:
What was the Russian collusion excuse?


Hilliar lost because the Russians helped Trump.

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Sep 20, 2021 15:30:45   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
son of witless wrote:
" But what I DO know for certain is that the ONLY two cities in California that rank in the top 20 for crime are led by Republican mayors. "

I question that. At least as far as the two most dangerous cities in California to live. Those are Emeryville, California and Oakland, California according to this: https://www.roadsnacks.net/most-dangerous-cities-in-california/

Emeryville's Mayor is Dianne Martinez and I believe is a Democrat.
Oakland's Mayor is Libby Schaaf and is also I believe a Democrat.

I look forward to your rebuttal.
" But what I DO know for certain is that the... (show quote)


Read the title in the address... it says "most dangerous cities IN CALIFORNIA"

I'm tipping my hat to Road Snacks for explaining their methodology, I actually found the table in the FBI data that they used.. It's 2019 data and the only way to get city-by-city comparisons is to look at one dataset at a time, or write a program to combine them.

These datasets BTW are available as CSV downloads. I loaded up the California data set in Excel and ran the same calculations... but I show Emeryville in 10th place and Oakland in 15th. Stockton is in 9th and San Bernardino is in 11th. But this was for violent crimes only, not property crimes. If you look at the Road Snacks website for Emeryville, you will notice the wide margin between violent crime and property crime. It's the property crime that puts Emeryville high on the list and I think I know why... I've been to Emeryville... Nice place... Wealthy people... LOTS of valuable things to steal.

I don't consider that "dangerous". If anything, it's a burden to insurance companies.

When you actually focus on violent crime, which you KNOW is what people are implying when they talk about dangerous cities... AND when you look at ALL the states, not just California the list looks much more like what I posted.

So this answers the charge that California has the most dangerous cities in the US with a resounding no, it does not.

As for the implication that the most violent cities are run by Democrats, that also has a simple answer...

Most violent cities have large and diverse populations. The size of the population INCREASES the likelihood of crime and diversity DECREASES the likelihood of a Republican being elected.

That means the Democrats are the only ones that are even dealing with the levels of crime found in major cities as the Republican mayors way out in the cornfields are busy planning this year's hoedown at the big barn, where you KNOW all those white folks will be yabbering about how THEY would be take control of the crime issue if only THEY were in charge.


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Sep 20, 2021 15:42:30   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Hilliar lost because the Russians helped Trump.

Yeah, I never bought that BS. I don't think Hillary did either. I think there was evidence that Russians were trying to influence e******ns not just here but in France and several other places too, but I don't think anyone was actually equating that to THE REASON why she lost the e******n.

When Hillary spoke about having the e******n "stolen", she was referring to the EC results vs the popular results and even then she understood as well as I and everyone else with a brain, that it's the EC results that legally count. So there was no implied crime. There was simply a concern about the integrity of the system.

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Sep 20, 2021 15:56:48   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
trashbaum wrote:
And its true!!

Well, I can't speak for ALL Americans like you can but among the people I know personally, it's only the Republicans that are collecting long term disability while in my opinion, being perfectly capable of finding work they can still do.

My Republican bass player for instance is collecting checks from the government because of a bad back... but he still races his car at a local track for fun, plays bass with us and he even consults for his former employer under the table (when he feels like it).

So... you're going to have a hard time convincing me that what you're saying is anything but over-generalized BS.

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Sep 20, 2021 16:02:57   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Yet you spout the litany of c*******m in every post you make.

I don't find that to be the case at all. PeterS has ideas that tend to be a little left of your comfort zone but he's not advocating for c*******m for crying out loud. Why are you people so dramatic?

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Sep 20, 2021 16:25:59   #
trashbaum
 
straightUp wrote:
Yeah, I never bought that BS. I don't think Hillary did either. I think there was evidence that Russians were trying to influence e******ns not just here but in France and several other places too, but I don't think anyone was actually equating that to THE REASON why she lost the e******n.

When Hillary spoke about having the e******n "stolen", she was referring to the EC results vs the popular results and even then she understood as well as I and everyone else with a brain, that it's the EC results that legally count. So there was no implied crime. There was simply a concern about the integrity of the system.
Yeah, I never bought that BS. I don't think Hillar... (show quote)


Need to bring in Hillary and the Russians so demo's can loose this next e******n.

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Sep 20, 2021 16:29:36   #
trashbaum
 
straightUp wrote:
I don't find that to be the case at all. PeterS has ideas that tend to be a little left of your comfort zone but he's not advocating for c*******m for crying out loud. Why are you people so dramatic?


We are not dramatic just don't want c*******m, You can tell yourself you aren't trying to become c*******t if you want to but that is exactly what you are doing.

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Sep 20, 2021 16:44:02   #
Justice101
 
straightUp wrote:
Read the title in the address... it says "most dangerous cities IN CALIFORNIA"

I'm tipping my hat to Road Snacks for explaining their methodology, I actually found the table in the FBI data that they used.. It's 2019 data and the only way to get city-by-city comparisons is to look at one dataset at a time, or write a program to combine them.

These datasets BTW are available as CSV downloads. I loaded up the California data set in Excel and ran the same calculations... but I show Emeryville in 10th place and Oakland in 15th. Stockton is in 9th and San Bernardino is in 11th. But this was for violent crimes only, not property crimes. If you look at the Road Snacks website for Emeryville, you will notice the wide margin between violent crime and property crime. It's the property crime that puts Emeryville high on the list and I think I know why... I've been to Emeryville... Nice place... Wealthy people... LOTS of valuable things to steal.

I don't consider that "dangerous". If anything, it's a burden to insurance companies.

When you actually focus on violent crime, which you KNOW is what people are implying when they talk about dangerous cities... AND when you look at ALL the states, not just California the list looks much more like what I posted.

So this answers the charge that California has the most dangerous cities in the US with a resounding no, it does not.

As for the implication that the most violent cities are run by Democrats, that also has a simple answer...

Most violent cities have large and diverse populations. The size of the population INCREASES the likelihood of crime and diversity DECREASES the likelihood of a Republican being elected.

That means the Democrats are the only ones that are even dealing with the levels of crime found in major cities as the Republican mayors way out in the cornfields are busy planning this year's hoedown at the big barn, where you KNOW all those white folks will be yabbering about how THEY would be take control of the crime issue if only THEY were in charge.

Read the title in the address... it says "mos... (show quote)

That means the Democrats are the only ones that are even dealing with the levels of crime found in major cities as the Republican mayors way out in the cornfields are busy planning this year's hoedown at the big barn, where you KNOW all those white folks will be yabbering about how THEY would be take control of the crime issue if only THEY were in charge.

Democrats tend to congregate in urban areas while Republicans tend to congregate in the suburbs and rural areas.
Missouri is a good example. Large area of Democrat population in St. Louis and Kansas City, with high crime . The suburbs of both areas are mixed to more conservative, but the middle of the state, North and South delivered enough v**es for Missouri to remain a RED State.

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Sep 20, 2021 16:51:31   #
trashbaum
 
Justice101 wrote:
That means the Democrats are the only ones that are even dealing with the levels of crime found in major cities as the Republican mayors way out in the cornfields are busy planning this year's hoedown at the big barn, where you KNOW all those white folks will be yabbering about how THEY would be take control of the crime issue if only THEY were in charge.

Democrats tend to congregate in urban areas while Republicans tend to congregate in the suburbs and rural areas.
Missouri is a good example. Large area of Democrat population in St. Louis and Kansas City, with high crime . The suburbs of both areas are mixed to more conservative, but the middle of the state, North and South delivered enough v**es for Missouri to remain a RED State.
That means the Democrats are the only ones that ar... (show quote)


You learned to read on fairy tales.

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Sep 20, 2021 17:13:30   #
Mikeyavelli
 
straightUp wrote:
Read the title in the address... it says "most dangerous cities IN CALIFORNIA"

I'm tipping my hat to Road Snacks for explaining their methodology, I actually found the table in the FBI data that they used.. It's 2019 data and the only way to get city-by-city comparisons is to look at one dataset at a time, or write a program to combine them.

These datasets BTW are available as CSV downloads. I loaded up the California data set in Excel and ran the same calculations... but I show Emeryville in 10th place and Oakland in 15th. Stockton is in 9th and San Bernardino is in 11th. But this was for violent crimes only, not property crimes. If you look at the Road Snacks website for Emeryville, you will notice the wide margin between violent crime and property crime. It's the property crime that puts Emeryville high on the list and I think I know why... I've been to Emeryville... Nice place... Wealthy people... LOTS of valuable things to steal.

I don't consider that "dangerous". If anything, it's a burden to insurance companies.

When you actually focus on violent crime, which you KNOW is what people are implying when they talk about dangerous cities... AND when you look at ALL the states, not just California the list looks much more like what I posted.

So this answers the charge that California has the most dangerous cities in the US with a resounding no, it does not.

As for the implication that the most violent cities are run by Democrats, that also has a simple answer...

Most violent cities have large and diverse populations. The size of the population INCREASES the likelihood of crime and diversity DECREASES the likelihood of a Republican being elected.

That means the Democrats are the only ones that are even dealing with the levels of crime found in major cities as the Republican mayors way out in the cornfields are busy planning this year's hoedown at the big barn, where you KNOW all those white folks will be yabbering about how THEY would be take control of the crime issue if only THEY were in charge.

Read the title in the address... it says "mos... (show quote)


No one wants their Rolex stolen or their Panamera taken for a joy ride. Those are crimes no matter how rich or white the victims are.
California is becoming the modern Deadwood with a Cuban twist.
Totally sux.

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