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Sep 19, 2021 18:21:18   #
Cuda2020
 
JFlorio wrote:
No it’s not 100% choice unfortunately. In the case of rape I’m sure the incubator, as you call them didn’t choose to have sex.
I wasn’t talking about when life begins. In the case of humans life cannot begin without both the female egg and the male sperm. Dumb argument. I was talking about the fact that a fetus can feel pain. So ripping one apart seems pretty barbaric. Just thinking about the t***h makes you uncomfortable, as it should. How much earlier will science prove a fetus is a life?


First off I didn't call them incubators, I was referring to how pro lifer's seem to refer to them. As far as the fetus feeling pain that is up for debate but I wasn't referring to a fetus older then 8 weeks.

Yes, I know life doesn't begin until a sperm fertilizes an egg, thank you Dr. Spock. Your point? A sperm is already alive-life. It has the potential to create a human being, isn't that the argument on an embryo or a fetus, it has the potential to become a human being? This all or nothing crap is ridiculous. I am not for a******ns, but I am more against the government butting in, it is still a woman's body, her choice. They've put a window in to avoid late term pregnancies unless the mothers life is in danger, putting in to not allow anything after 6 weeks is ridiculous, many don't even know they're pregnant yet. This whole mess should be put to rest and let the government focus on governing.

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Sep 19, 2021 18:26:48   #
Cuda2020
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
How do you reconcile the fact that I am discussing science and scientific laws with your accusations that I have abandoned science?

My education in science began when I was five years old - my dad is responsible for that - and I've been on it ever since, eventually including formal courses in HS and college. Particularly the astronomical sciences and physics.
And through it all, politics never came into play.

IOW, politics has nothing to do with my love of science. Nor my worldview.

That which exists cannot come from nothing.
Wh**ever begins to exist must have a cause.
The universe began to exist.
Therefore the universe had a cause.

Something that is caused to exist has a purpose,
A purpose for something to exist requires an intelligence.
Therefore, an intelligence had a purpose in causing the universe to exist.

Before the universe began to exist, natural and scientific laws did not exist,
Therefore it is illogical to assume an either/or argument in which natural and/or scientific laws caused the universe to exist.

IOW, the Big Bang could not have been a "natural event".
How do you reconcile the fact that I am discussing... (show quote)


Not natural, what then...supernatural, maybe supernatural is just what we don't know of natural. Why would you think a big bang theory would not happen or exist?

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Sep 19, 2021 19:06:51   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
A sperm is not a life. Another ridiculous statement. There is no debate about the pain according to science. If it’s even a question which side would you err on? All or nothing is only crap to those who do not care when life begins. A******n cheapens life. Easy to be for a******n I guess, after you’ve been born.

Cuda2020 wrote:
First off I didn't call them incubators, I was referring to how pro lifer's seem to refer to them. As far as the fetus feeling pain that is up for debate but I wasn't referring to a fetus older then 8 weeks.

Yes, I know life doesn't begin until a sperm fertilizes an egg, thank you Dr. Spock. Your point? A sperm is already alive-life. It has the potential to create a human being, isn't that the argument on an embryo or a fetus, it has the potential to become a human being? This all or nothing crap is ridiculous. I am not for a******ns, but I am more against the government butting in, it is still a woman's body, her choice. They've put a window in to avoid late term pregnancies unless the mothers life is in danger, putting in to not allow anything after 6 weeks is ridiculous, many don't even know they're pregnant yet. This whole mess should be put to rest and let the government focus on governing.
First off I didn't call them incubators, I was ref... (show quote)

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Sep 20, 2021 08:53:44   #
Cuda2020
 
JFlorio wrote:
A sperm is not a life. Another ridiculous statement. There is no debate about the pain according to science. If it’s even a question which side would you err on? All or nothing is only crap to those who do not care when life begins. A******n cheapens life. Easy to be for a******n I guess, after you’ve been born.


Life is when something is living, is it not? A sperm is most definitely alive. Life is life, so you get to draw that line in the sand? The entire pain assumption is a possibility after 8 weeks, have you ever seen a self aborted embryo? Ask any woman who had a miscarriage that early on and let her describe it to you, you're being ridiculous, potential... does not make a baby at the time. Like I said, a 2x4 does not make a house, do you have the mental capacity to understand that? I'm tired of this BS rhetoric from extremists, this falsehood of trying to make something that it is NOT, just because it fits your mindless agenda. You're not saving a baby if it is not a baby, that is a twisted argument to serve your misguided self interest, while making other real and actual lives more difficult.

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Sep 20, 2021 09:08:13   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Cuda2020 wrote:
Life is when something is living, is it not? A sperm is most definitely alive. Life is life, so you get to draw that line in the sand? The entire pain assumption is a possibility after 8 weeks, have you ever seen a self aborted embryo? Ask any woman who had a miscarriage that early on and let her describe it to you, you're being ridiculous, potential... does not make a baby at the time. Like I said, a 2x4 does not make a house, do you have the mental capacity to understand that? I'm tired of this BS rhetoric from extremists, this falsehood of trying to make something that it is NOT, just because it fits your mindless agenda. You're not saving a baby if it is not a baby, that is a twisted argument to serve your misguided self interest, while making other real and actual lives more difficult.
Life is when something is living, is it not? A spe... (show quote)


Not in the context we are talking about. A life. I'm not extreme at all. Tearing fetuses apart limb from limb seems pretty extreme to me. I happen to believe a human life is formed at conception. Definitely by 6 weeks in my opinion. If you believe as I do then you have no real choice to be against a******n; unless you are pro murder. Most of the time who made their life more difficult? Who made the choice to have sex. NO you are everything I always thought you were. Your last sentences proved it. A******n for convenience sake is O.K.. Gee mom or dad can't take care of themselves anymore, how inconvenient. Might as well be allowed to smother them with a pillow. From Mike Lindell of course so you can blame it on a conservative.

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