martsiva wrote:
Yes it is a fact! Do you actually believe that this could have happened with all the defenses this country had without inside help?? Expert architects and engineers have made it clear that those towers came down in free fall without anything to slow them down from underneath - controlled demolition! The steel in those towers were tested to withstand 2000c and the fuel in those jets were only 350c. Did you ever look at Norman Penetta`s interview with the Warren commission on Cspan where he told them about Cheney`s order to stand down on flight 77?? How about PNACs neo libs declaration the 'Rebuilding America`s Defenses', they claimed would take a long time without a 'catastrophic event' like Pearl Harbor. Are you denying physicists claims that the molten steel left in the craters of the towers could only be the result of thermite explosives? Have you ever researched the claim that the 'Islam' terrorists loved drinking and bar hopping and prostitutes, when they were really CIA assets? Please don`t tell me you believe that Tower 7 came down because of fires in the building. Silverstein admitted on video he gave the order to pull Tower 2 down.- I saw it! How much research have you done??
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I've done one hell of a lot of research. 15 years of it, off and on. Research that included 9/11 conspiracies, but went far beyond and into the heart of Islamic terrorism.
What you are throwing out here is boilerplate 9/11 conspiracy junk, none of which is true.
I will take a minute to address a couple points, then we'll take a look at World Trade #7, the 47 story building that was just a block north of the North Tower.
"Are you denying physicists claims that the molten steel left in the craters of the towers could only be the result of thermite explosives?"Yes, I deny that claim for the simple reason that molten steel in the craters were not the result of thermite explosives, but were the result of temperature increases in hot metals due to pressure. In this case several million tons of it.
BTW, those weren't physicists who made that claim, they were 9/11 t***hers' "science experts". And, thermite doesn't explode, it burns.
The temperature in a mass of hot metals increases proportionate to pressure. The masses of steel, aluminum, copper, brass, and other metals buried in the rubble were already heated to temps near 1800F - some of the lighter metals such as aluminum were already molten when the towers came down - and with several million tons of pressure bearing down on it, the temp increased exponentially.
Steel becomes molten at 2500F (1370C),
Aluminum at 1220F (660C).
Copper at 1983F (1084C),
Brass at 1810-1880F (990-1025C)
"The steel in those towers were tested to withstand 2000c and the fuel in those jets were only 350c"2000 degrees centigrade is 3632 degrees Fahrenheit. 350C is 662F.
3632 degrees Fahrenheit is twice the highest temperature recorded anywhere in the twin towers. 1800F to 2000F max.
Industry standard. Structural steel begins to weaken at 572F (300C) and increases rapidly at 752F (400C). At 1020F (550C), steel retains just 60% of its strength. At 1200F, steel has lost 50% of its strength.
When heated along any portion, a steel beam will undergo thermal expansion.
A free standing beam, bearing no load, will expand longitudinally. Grow longer.
A vertical load bearing beam obviously cannot grow in length, instead it warps and buckles.
About the burning jet fuel.
The most unscientific erroneous excuse 9/11 t***hers make to rationalize a controlled demolition is their assertion,
"Burning jet fuel cannot melt steel!" Well, no s**t Sherlock.
Jet A burns at around 1400F (760C). And it burns fast.
The vaporized fuel resulting from the crashes expanded and burned for less than 10 seconds.
However, the entire fuel load in the jets did not burn in the fireballs. Some volume of it remained liquid.
People in the towers reported jet fuel running down the elevator shafts and stairwells. Firefighters and others in the ground floor lobbies reported the smell of Jet fuel.
Whether intentional or just out of ignorance, the most egregious, unforgivable, error in the t***hers' assertion that burning jet fuel cannot melt steel, was no reference to the many tons of combustibles present in the offices - paper, cardboard, wood, plastics, rubber, fabrics, oils, lubricants, alcohol, propane, butane - People.
After all, we watched and we saw fires burning in the towers long after the fireballs were history.
And, we watched the horrific spectacle of over 200 people trapped up there - most in the North Tower - choosing instant death rather than being roasted alive.
Fires in enclosed office spaces (or homes) can reach temperatures up to and including 1800F to 2000F, well above the temps where load bearing structural steel warps or buckles due to thermal expansion.
It was the heat, not a bomb, not a thermite, that caused the support columns to fail resulting in a progressive collapse.
"Have you ever researched the claim that the 'Islam' terrorists loved drinking and bar hopping and prostitutes?"Yes, I have. Against the doctrines of their own religion, the terrorists were told to "blend in", to act "western", to behave without drawing suspicions. They certainly didn't "love" doing it, but they visited the titty bars, drank a few beers, smoked a cigar or two, and none of them paid a prostitute for sex.
WTC 7
The 9/11 t***hers invariably point to this building as the "smoking gun" that supposedly proves beyond a shadow of doubt that controlled demolitions had to be the cause of the collapse of not only building 7 itself, but also the two 110 story towers.
Their reasoning is the collapse of WTC7 bore all the earmarks of a conventional explosive demolition. IOW, blow out the support near the base of the building and you have the full weight of the building coming down rather than just some upper floors as occurred with the twin towers.
WTC7 was built above a ConEd substation. This required a unique design for foundational support. T***sverse trusses and cantilever beams were necessary to augment the strength of the vertical support columns. This unique structure extended up 7 floors above ground level, and was incorporated into the vertical support between the 22nd and 24th floors.
At 9:59am, the South Tower (Tower 2) collapsed. First building to go. And when it went, it severely disrupted the water supply for the entire WTC complex. This was not an issue until the North Tower came down.
At 10:28am, the North Tower (Tower 1) collapsed. And here is where it gets interesting.
700 feet above the roof of WTC7, heated steel sections and burning materials were ejected away from the collapsing mass. Some of this hot debris struck WTC 7 in a number of places. Some hit the roof, but most struck the south face.
Some hit he south face between Floor 44 and the roof;
Another put a large vertical gash near the center of the south face between Floors 24 and 41.
One large section of heated perimeter columns and remnants of floor trusses hit the southwest corner between floors 7 and 17. This was a deep gash through ten floors and included severe damage to the foundation supports.
This hot debris started fires in floors 6 through 10, 13 through 14, 19 through 22, and 29 through 30. And fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.
Due to insufficient water supply fire fighting efforts at WTC7 were minimal.
At approximately 2:00 pm, firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest face near the corner of the building between the 10th and 13th floors. In order to determine the progress of the bulge, FDNY Chief Nigro had a crew take a t***sit sighting along the wall. The bulge was expanding outward. Chief Nigro was then certain the building was going to collapse and he ordered his crews to withdraw to a security perimeter.
Now, about the incredible spin 9/11 t***hers put on Silverstein's comments.
"Silverstein admitted on video he gave the order to pull Tower 2 down."No, he didn't. Tower 2 was already down and Silverstein seemed confused when he talked to the chief on the phone.
The fire chief called Silverstein and told him his crews were unable to fight the fires due to lack of water and that the building appeared dangerously close to collapsing. Silverstein said, "'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it."
What did he mean by that?
Since only a few dedicated men in the intelligence agencies were convinced a major Al Qaeda attack was coming, yet had no idea when, where or how the attack would unfold, and were unable to convince the NSA, or anyone else in the administration, including president Bush, and since Larry Silverstein was not a government official of any sort, it stands to reason then that he had no clue an attack was coming.
I am reasonable certain, John O'Neiil or Richard Clarke, who couldn't even convince Condaleeza Rice or president Bush an attack was imminent, didn't throw up their hands and say, "to hell with it let's call Larry, maybe he can do something about it."
Sidebar: Big One.
Something happened early on in this Colossal 9/11 Conspiracy movement, the Jew h**ers moved in.
Oh yeah, the anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, anti-Z*****m, pro-Palestinian, pro-Islam bunch grabbed onto the attacks as if they were a gift from God. (which to the Jihadists they were)
Self-loathing Jews all over the world got into the act.
And, boy, did these wretched Jew h**ers work those conspiracies.
Oh, how the plot did thicken.
Even that Iranian Peckerwood Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announced to the world 9/11 was an "inside job."
Larry Silverstein is Jew. The Perfect Patsy.
He owned some of those buildings, insured them, and
Inshallah! he's gonna reap his just reward.
This astronomically complex 9/11 Conspiraxcy movement started out with just,
"Bush did it just to start some wars, man, score some oil, build the Bush Empire, beef up the New World Order." All that crap.
When the Jew h**ers got hold of this, they stretched that baby into orbit.
If Larry Silverstein, and most everyone else, was clueless before the attacks, how in God's name could he devise a plan to demolish his buildings. Have them pre-r****d with boom boom and ready to blow on September 11th?
And, why let WTC7 burn all day?
Before the attacks on 9/11, the only people who knew when, where, and how the attacks would come and who would carry them out were those who did it.
Al Qaeda terrorists.
And, they got much more than they bargained for.
I know this, Al Qaeda is none too happy with these 9/11 conspiracy theorists and their entire convoluted movement,
they even sent a stern message to that Peckerwood Mahmoud, telling him to put a sock in it.
Islamic Jihadists take great p***e in what they do. For the glory of Allah,
Peace be unto him, and tickets to paradise. Credit where credit is due is their complaint. Very important the glory of Allah and the blessed act of Shahhid are not blemished by a bunch of Infidel miscreants and malcontents floating all kinds of theories. Insulting Allah is a death sentence.