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Sep 9, 2021 19:27:54   #
Michael10
 
proud republican wrote:
If I was rsped and got pregnant, I would wait until 10th week and if it wasn't my husband's baby, I would have an a******n ......


And in Texas your neighbor could rat you out to the police, collect a bounty and you'll go to jail for murder... Great new law, not.

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Sep 9, 2021 19:35:33   #
Singularity
 
DaWg44 wrote:
That was exactly my first thought, there would not be any getting out of Hell.


But....

Rapists have a heartbeat already!!!

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Sep 9, 2021 19:44:22   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
proud republican wrote:
If I was rsped and got pregnant, I would wait until 10th week and if it wasn't my husband's baby, I would have an a******n ......
If my wife, which I don't have anymore, she and my son are gone, was raped and got pregnant, we would raise the child as our own regardless of who the rapist was.

Life is sacred, a baby in the womb is the most innocent and helpless of all human beings. There is no way in the world I could justify k*****g it.

Happy Birthday, make a wish . . .

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Sep 9, 2021 19:48:56   #
Singularity
 
Michael10 wrote:
And in Texas your neighbor could rat you out to the police, collect a bounty and you'll go to jail for murder... Great new law, not.


No. There is no legal penalty for the woman who has the a******n, just the clinic or a******nist, or anyone who knowingly and materially assisted her.

It's a brilliantly manipulative move to get regular people to close down any opportunity for any a******n, legal or not, due to the immense tangle of exponentially increasing legal liability for clinics and providers.

And leaves no official persons to sue for actually preventing any legal a******ns due to this imposed scarcity, so allows no standing for higher court challenges.

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Sep 9, 2021 20:06:42   #
Singularity
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
If my wife, which I don't have anymore, she and my son are gone, was raped and got pregnant, we would raise the child as our own regardless of who the rapist was.

Life is sacred, a baby in the womb is the most innocent and helpless of all human beings. There is no way in the world I could justify k*****g it.

Happy Birthday, make a wish . . .


It depends on how violent or repetitive the rape was. And the mother's particular situation. The research I did a few years ago revealed that the youngest female human to go into full term labor was seven years old. Both mother and baby died.

If you were the parent of such a child, would you sign her death warrant by insisting she try and fail to give birth?

In the original scenario, how would you deal with sharing custody and care decisions with the child's father?

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Sep 9, 2021 20:25:09   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Singularity wrote:
People who suggest adoption so blithely do not understand the longlasting neuroendocrinological imperative imposed by pregnancy hormones to be with and protect those things once they pop out!

After I miscarried at three months when my oldest was a toddler, I would wake up from dreams of holding that baby, lactating for a pillow! Intermittently for four years! Didn't stop until after my last child was born. Gynecologist saidmakes us s***es to our g****r? it was normal.


Then how do you explain people who willingly, without outside pressure, give up a child for adoption? You are not the only person to ever suffer a miscarriage. One size does not fit all. But wait...are you saying that birthing people are actually influenced by hormones (and that men can't have babies) so there is a difference between the sexes? Or that a person can be the wrong g****r at birth, and that hormonal action that begins during puberty determines their fate?

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Sep 9, 2021 20:29:48   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Singularity wrote:
https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2019/08/rapist-custody-a******n/

and becomes pregnant...

and because you can't do DNA paternity testing until the 10th week of gestation...

it now has a "beating heart," so

she delivers a child of obviously different racial features from the rest of the family, essentially confirming the identity of the biologic father, the rapist ....

And when they are five years old, the biologic father gets out of prison after pleading to a lesser charge and the courts rule your wife must share custody of the child with the mother's rapist, because he wasn't convicted of rape,

and with you by default, unless you divorce her, pay child support for possibly all the children born during your marriage, and see ALL your children raised by their next new Stepdad, on your dime.

You might consider h*****g in there. In some States the Rapebabydaddy might pay minimal child support if he can get a job with a felony conviction...
https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2019/08/... (show quote)


Got a specific case that you can cite where this has happened. Anything is possible. The probability is so low that we murder nearly one million babies a year. Because of this? What is the real reason you are against self-actualization?

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Sep 9, 2021 21:22:20   #
EmilyD
 
Singularity wrote:
It depends on how violent or repetitive the rape was. And the mother's particular situation. The research I did a few years ago revealed that the youngest female human to go into full term labor was seven years old. Both mother and baby died.

If you were the parent of such a child, would you sign her death warrant by insisting she try and fail to give birth?

In the original scenario, how would you deal with sharing custody and care decisions with the child's father?

You are talking about one isolated case where a seven-year-old girl, who apparently ovulated earlier than usual for a girl (usually 8-9 years old, but not impossible for 7 years old), happened to get pregnant from being raped. Something that probably happens very rarely.

It seems clear to me that that little girl's life was at stake when this happened to her. If her mother signed a document that stated she was giving permission for the child to carry the baby to term, then the deaths of her little girl and the baby are on her. (I would be surprised that a doctor would allow such a thing to happen, to be honest.)

In the original scenario, is this you advocating that the baby should have been aborted to avoid all those problems? I believe strongly that the baby should not be punished with death because they are an inconvenience...or more...to the adults that created it...no matter what the circumstances of causing the pregnancy were. If the woman chooses to keep the baby, and the rapist is granted rights to be involved in that baby's life when he gets out of jail five years later, should the five-year-old child be k**led because it should have been aborted in the first place in order to avoid this complication??

A mother who chooses to keep and raise a baby that came into the world after such a violence to herself, should be praised and held in high esteem for doing such a difficult....but very loving.....thing for that baby. And a woman like that would be very protective of that baby that she has grown to love, in spite of the negativity surrounding the birth.

I would be highly suspicious of a judge that would rule the wife must share custody of the child with her rapist when he got out of a five-year prison term. Especially since the child is living safely and happily in the home with the mother and adoptive father (who should also be held in high esteem for accepting and loving the child in spite of the conditions of the birth.) If this was my husband and I, we would fight that ruling with every ounce of our beings.

I would like to see the statistics on how often that has happened. I tried to find it by searching "court rules in rapists favor for custody" and "raped woman must share custody of the baby with rapist" and other such titles, but nothing even close came up that could tell me either that it has happened at all, or how many times a court ruled in the rapists favor.

If this is an argument that is pro-a******n, it falls flat on several levels.

What I really think matters the most, despite everything else when it comes to a******n..... is that it is NOT THE BABY'S FAULT. The baby should not be punished with death...no matter what the reason for the pregnancy is.

The only exception for a******n might be if the mother's life were in jeopardy, and I'm not sure even that is a good enough reason to k**l a baby. That baby most likely has a longer life to live than the mother....

Edited to add: I read in your article that there actually quite a few cases where the rapist demands custody. In a lot of them, he just threatens to do so in order to make the mother drop charges for child support. It seems the laws are changing bit by bit in favor of the mothers who keep babies from having to have contact with her rapist. Not enough, though, imo.

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Sep 9, 2021 21:26:57   #
Singularity
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Got a specific case that you can cite where this has happened. Anything is possible. The probability is so low that we murder nearly one million babies a year. Because of this? What is the real reason you are against self-actualization?


The article I posted detailed several cases.

I did find that we are zooming in on the technology to determine paternity by the 8th week of pregnancy now... unless that article means 8 weeks from conception which is 10 weeks pregnant even though the mother may not have met the father typically until day 14, so it's not six weeks to plan for an a******n, it is 4 weeks from the typical first possible missed period day. Give it three or four days to hit before you realize you are pregnant and the six weeks is almost half gone!

Now you have three weeks to get the finances, time off work or school, t***sportation and logistics for recovery arranged.

How long does it take you to get an appointment for a medical evaluation at a new clinic? During a p******c?

What did you mean by against self actualization?

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Sep 9, 2021 22:03:38   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Singularity wrote:
The article I posted detailed several cases.

I did find that we are zooming in on the technology to determine paternity by the 8th week of pregnancy now... unless that article means 8 weeks from conception which is 10 weeks pregnant even though the mother may not have met the father typically until day 14, so it's not six weeks to plan for an a******n, it is 4 weeks from the typical first possible missed period day. Give it three or four days to hit before you realize you are pregnant and the six weeks is almost half gone!

Now you have three weeks to get the finances, time off work or school, t***sportation and logistics for recovery arranged.

How long does it take you to get an appointment for a medical evaluation at a new clinic? During a p******c?

What did you mean by against self actualization?
The article I posted detailed several cases. br b... (show quote)


As long as you don't live in a city or state controlled by the Democrats with Soros-funded DAs and AGs who like to let criminals loose on the street to repeat offend then the chances of a rapist doing this is extremely rare.

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Sep 9, 2021 22:50:18   #
Singularity
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Then how do you explain people who willingly, without outside pressure, give up a child for adoption? You are not the only person to ever suffer a miscarriage. One size does not fit all. But wait...are you saying that birthing people are actually influenced by hormones (and that men can't have babies) so there is a difference between the sexes? Or that a person can be the wrong g****r at birth, and that hormonal action that begins during puberty determines their fate?


They often don't. Much of the time they go home with that baby they want to keep as much as to k**l and raise it "happily ever after."

I had five miscarriages and two high risk critical pregnancies. The first would have k**led me and the baby without extraordinary medical intervention. I would subsequently have been childless but for a great deal of determination. Turns out my uterus is generously doubled, shaped like a valentine instead of a lightbulb, room for two at a time! Possibly a litter. But the muscles don't line up properly to cope with the asymmetrical stretching so I would have premature labor contractions starting in the 4th to fifth month, and without strong uterine muscle relaxant medications, they would have been miscarried. So I was unable to work for the four last months of gestation. My pregnancies were planned, my babies desperately wanted and their loss very much mourned in some cases.

So it is hard for me to imagine myself wanting an a******n.

Not everybody is or should be like me. They do better at being themselves and I appreciate the variety. If they believe they need an a******n, I can listen. If they get one I can mourn and forgive. When my son's girlfriend considered a******n six years ago, a few special friends on OPP wrote prayers for her and my son at his repeated request, because I'm an atheist and so could not.

Now my grand daughter is in kindergarten, has an immune c*********d condition and masks are optional in Tennesse schools. Their bodies, their parents' choices, they say. Really. They SAY that!

and her i****e s****m.... but that's the thing I'm trying to NOT THINK ABOUT TOO MUCH SO....

Hopefully, if our hypothetical rapebabymama has a spouse and other progeny at home, they won't raise a stink about the rapebabydaddy coming by for visitation... or you having to bring the child to the jail to visit him until he gets out after a plea deal incarcerated him for, well not quite rape, . . so he can assert his parental rights!

Men can breastfeed. Male breasts have milk ducts, and some mammary tissue. They also have oxytocin and prolactin, the hormones responsible for milk production. Supplied the correct hormone cocktail, a t***swoman could breastfeed adopted progeny. My father lactated naturally, though he never encouraged it or applied the talent to any useful purpose.

We have succeeded in developing technology for t***splants or created artificial organs like hearts and livers. Babies have survived gestation when implanted outside the womb on rare occasions.

To the future!

And, beyond!!!!



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Sep 9, 2021 22:57:22   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
If my wife, which I don't have anymore, she and my son are gone, was raped and got pregnant, we would raise the child as our own regardless of who the rapist was.

Life is sacred, a baby in the womb is the most innocent and helpless of all human beings. There is no way in the world I could justify k*****g it.

Happy Birthday, make a wish . . .


So sorry to hear about your wife and your son, but I dont think, in fact I know I wont be able to carry this baby under my heart for 9 months.... Sorry if this makes me an evil person, but that's how I feel..

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Sep 9, 2021 23:04:25   #
Singularity
 
dtucker300 wrote:
As long as you don't live in a city or state controlled by the Democrats with Soros-funded DAs and AGs who like to let criminals loose on the street to repeat offend then the chances of a rapist doing this is extremely rare.

You probably are not aware of how many men and boys rape other people! I had three, possibly four "sexual partners" before I started first grade. Skipped kindergarten. Thank providence for Vietnam's inconvenience for my older cousins, or I might have been pregnant by age 10 or so when I began to be fertile. I was reared by a large religious cult. In Signs Following churches, sex is not the scariest thing going on with the kids in the back pews! Somehow playing with snakes in public changes and weirdly stimulates a young boy...

Older ones too.

Are you aware how many rapists are never accused, much less prosecuted and even fewer convicted with out a plea to lesser charges?

And yes, one can be compelled to allow parental visitation during incarceration if a rapebabydaddy wants it. It's the child's right to know and have a chance to bond with their biologic parent the lawyers say.

Tennessee is red as they come. If rapebabydaddy gets religion, and was pled down and released without a specific rape conviction he could get full shared custody, especialy once married and a respectably Christian, from the poor unfortunate single mom who can't afford an attorney.

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Sep 9, 2021 23:10:40   #
EmilyD
 
proud republican wrote:
So sorry to hear about your wife and your son, but I dont think, in fact I know I wont be able to carry this baby under my heart for 9 months.... Sorry if this makes me an evil person, but that's how I feel..


So rather than be uncomfortable for 9 months, you would rather k**l a baby than allow it to have a life of possibly many decades? You say it's your body and your choice, (obviously by your decision to abort a baby), but you are not the only person involved with that decision. The poor little baby, who is not at fault because of the evilness of a man who committed the heinous act of raping you, cannot speak to defend its own right to live their life and will not see the light of day because of a few uncomfortable months.

I suspect (but of course do not know) that years later, your heart might be more at peace knowing you allowed a human life to flourish and exist, rather than knowing you did not allow that girl or boy to live.

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Sep 9, 2021 23:30:58   #
Singularity
 
EmilyD wrote:
So rather than be uncomfortable for 9 months, you would rather k**l a baby than allow it to have a life of possibly many decades? You say it's your body and your choice, (obviously by your decision to abort a baby), but you are not the only person involved with that decision. The poor little baby, who is not at fault because of the evilness of a man who committed the heinous act of raping you, cannot speak to defend its own right to live their life and will not see the light of day because of a few uncomfortable months.

I suspect (but of course do not know) that years later, your heart might be more at peace knowing you allowed a human life to flourish and exist, rather than knowing you did not allow that girl or boy to live.
So rather than be uncomfortable for 9 u i months... (show quote)


If a male child had ensued fifty or sixty years ago from my predicament he would invariably become a serial rapist of little girls. And boys. I would not be comfortable with that knowledge but I would have tucked him in every night with that near certainty. As a young teen "in disgrace" for being obviously promiscuous and "disobedient to my parents godly instruction," what other options would there be for me then and there?

Fortunately I was rescued and adopted by relatives from out of state and properly civilized.

Mostly.

And many of you think he would have eventually deserved murder, anyway, after the expected behavioral development of the typical family pattern of socialization.

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