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Jul 27, 2021 10:22:54   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Hawking concludes with his most direct, personal answer to the universal question:

It’s my view that the simplest explanation is that there is no God. No one created the universe and no one directs our fate. This leads me to a profound realisation: there is probably no heaven and afterlife either. I think belief in an afterlife is just wishful thinking. There is no reliable evidence for it, and it flies in the face of everything we know in science. I think that when we die we return to dust. But there’s a sense in which we live on, in our influence, and in our genes that we pass on to our children. We have this one life to appreciate the grand design of the universe, and for that I am extremely grateful.
-Steven Hawking-

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Jul 27, 2021 10:31:48   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Hawking concludes with his most direct, personal answer to the universal question:

It’s my view that the simplest explanation is that there is no God. No one created the universe and no one directs our fate. This leads me to a profound realisation: there is probably no heaven and afterlife either. I think belief in an afterlife is just wishful thinking. There is no reliable evidence for it, and it flies in the face of everything we know in science. I think that when we die we return to dust. But there’s a sense in which we live on, in our influence, and in our genes that we pass on to our children. We have this one life to appreciate the grand design of the universe, and for that I am extremely grateful.
-Steven Hawking-
Hawking concludes with his most direct, personal a... (show quote)


poor thing, has the right to his beliefs

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Jul 27, 2021 10:38:06   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
microphor wrote:
poor thing, has the right to his beliefs


Science is based on Facts.

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Jul 27, 2021 10:47:07   #
Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Science is based on Facts.



It is not..... science is derived from the perception of ones facts, to be proven or disproven..... then it becomes what you cherry pickingly refer to as science.

Like your Atheist and God crap ( science and many before you indicate some mental issues within ) you can neither prove or disprove any of that, neither can the Bible thumper........ but there is plenty of historical evidence in their favor..... you got..nuh unh, no so such thing. ......... most likely due to some weird and unacceptable liberal fetish you need to justify in your own mind for some reason i dont care about...one among many.

Call it like I see it...... and that there was strike three.....hit the showers, youve been traded and sent down to the minors.... again.

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Jul 27, 2021 10:48:47   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Science is based on Facts.


Science isn't an absolute

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Jul 27, 2021 10:56:35   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Science is based on Facts.


Milosia, I happen to believe that science explains the way G-d creates. He is not some comic book character that just says Abra cadabra and things happen. He created natural law, which explains how he creates.

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Jul 27, 2021 11:07:31   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Hawking concludes with his most direct, personal answer to the universal question:

It’s my view that the simplest explanation is that there is no God. No one created the universe and no one directs our fate. This leads me to a profound realisation: there is probably no heaven and afterlife either. I think belief in an afterlife is just wishful thinking. There is no reliable evidence for it, and it flies in the face of everything we know in science. I think that when we die we return to dust. But there’s a sense in which we live on, in our influence, and in our genes that we pass on to our children. We have this one life to appreciate the grand design of the universe, and for that I am extremely grateful.
-Steven Hawking-
Hawking concludes with his most direct, personal a... (show quote)

Well he knows now doesn't he? And unfortunately for him, he was wrong and he has eternity to regret it.

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Jul 27, 2021 11:52:54   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Parky60 wrote:
Well he knows now doesn't he? And unfortunately for him, he was wrong and he has eternity to regret it.


You won’t be seeing me in your eternity.
You cannot prove I am wrong. Merely an opinion. I have no regrets.
Well maybe one or two but not today.
You seem to be about a half step away from standing on a box downtown preaching the gospel to any who will listen.
It always seems so lofty of the righteous to be looking down on creation casting asparaguses on the rest of us.
You are no more righteous in gods kingdom than you think you are right here and now.

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Jul 27, 2021 11:58:43   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
microphor wrote:
Science isn't an absolute


There is one absolute
That is that everything changes.
The one true thing.
It is absolutely true.

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Jul 27, 2021 12:09:10   #
Roamin' Catholic Loc: luxurious exile
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Hawking concludes with his most direct, personal answer to the universal question:

It’s my view that the simplest explanation is that there is no God. No one created the universe and no one directs our fate. This leads me to a profound realisation: there is probably no heaven and afterlife either. I think belief in an afterlife is just wishful thinking. There is no reliable evidence for it, and it flies in the face of everything we know in science. I think that when we die we return to dust. But there’s a sense in which we live on, in our influence, and in our genes that we pass on to our children. We have this one life to appreciate the grand design of the universe, and for that I am extremely grateful.
-Steven Hawking-
Hawking concludes with his most direct, personal a... (show quote)


Steven Hawking was a great man but the glaring flaw in his assessment concerning the existence of the universe is that he doesn't dig deeply enough, which is precisely the problem I see with atheism.

And he of all people should know that when you discount one theory you better have one with which to replace it, or you're just another voice in the crowd.

So no one created the universe? Well then either the universe was created by a thing or not created at all. If the universe was created by a thing then all we have to ask is how was the thing created? It doesn't take long to realize the need for an Uncreated Creator, a Prime Mover, a First Cause, wh**ever you want to call it. That starting point is what people that are open to the possibility of the supernatural call "God".

If the universe was not created, ergo has always existed, apparently in an infinite cycle of Big Bang and Big Crush, well then you deny science as it pertains to our observation of universal expansion, energy and matter vs. gravity. It appears as though there can be no big crush. Hawking said so. Even black holes, which are the bosses of gravity, eventually will evaporate due to Hawking radiation.

Also you would be supporting the doctrine of turtles all the way down.
🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢

The belief of a universe with no beginning or end requires a much greater degree of faith than belief in a Creator, and denies the sciences of cosmology, astronomy and astrophysics. Hawking was a huge contributor to these repositories of knowledge.

On the other hand, perhaps a profound fear of the supernatural is responsible for the ignorance and denial of the atheist?

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Jul 27, 2021 12:47:58   #
Ricktloml
 
Weewillynobeerspilly wrote:
It is not..... science is derived from the perception of ones facts, to be proven or disproven..... then it becomes what you cherry pickingly refer to as science.

Like your Atheist and God crap ( science and many before you indicate some mental issues within ) you can neither prove or disprove any of that, neither can the Bible thumper........ but there is plenty of historical evidence in their favor..... you got..nuh unh, no so such thing. ......... most likely due to some weird and unacceptable liberal fetish you need to justify in your own mind for some reason i dont care about...one among many.

Call it like I see it...... and that there was strike three.....hit the showers, youve been traded and sent down to the minors.... again.
It is not..... science is derived from the percept... (show quote)




It is a direct, PERSONAL answer to the question of the universe. In other words---it's his opinion. And it is wrong. I don't have to wait to find out, I already know God is real, He is involved daily in my life. So, if you reject your Heavenly Father, it is true He won't be part of your life. When you push God away, He won't intrude, you WILL be left to your own devices.

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Jul 27, 2021 14:58:46   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Hawking concludes with his most direct, personal answer to the universal question:

It’s my view that the simplest explanation is that there is no God. No one created the universe and no one directs our fate. This leads me to a profound realisation: there is probably no heaven and afterlife either. I think belief in an afterlife is just wishful thinking. There is no reliable evidence for it, and it flies in the face of everything we know in science. I think that when we die we return to dust. But there’s a sense in which we live on, in our influence, and in our genes that we pass on to our children. We have this one life to appreciate the grand design of the universe, and for that I am extremely grateful.
-Steven Hawking-
Hawking concludes with his most direct, personal a... (show quote)


“Fact” in a scientific context is a generally accepted reality (but still open to scientific inquiry, as opposed to an absolute t***h, which is not, and hence not a part of science). Hypotheses and theories are generally based on objective inferences, unlike opinions, which are generally based on subjective influences.

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not “guesses” but reliable accounts of the real world.

Scientific evidence is evidence that serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical evidence and interpretable in accordance with scientific method.

Scientific evidence relies on data, and it is crucial for researchers to ensure that the data they collect is representative of the “true” situation. This means using proved or appropriate ways of collecting and analyzing the data and ensuring the research is conducted ethically and safely.

The fundamental metaphysical principle that has been recognized down through history is that something cannot come from nothing;

Aristotle put it that being only arises from being, it doesn't come from non-being.

Nothing can begin to exist, or come into physical existence without a cause.

Something that is caused to exist has a purpose.

A purpose for something to exist suggests an intelligence caused it to exist.

An intelligence with a purpose to cause something to exist is not part of that which it caused to exist.

The universe and the life within it exists, therefore something caused it, and the cause had a purpose for creating it.


The Planck scale is the universal limit, beyond which the currently known laws of science break down. The basic Planck units are length, mass, temperature, time and charge.

The intelligence that caused something to exist is not detectable by any laws of science. It cannot be observed or quantified by any law of science. The word we use is "Spiritual".

The spiritual transcends the physical universe.

IOW, you cannot do a biopsy on the body of God, put it under an electron microscope, or run it through a CAT scan, or hook it up to an EEG in order to gather empirical evidential data. You cannot pound a chunk of God into pieces and study the geology of a transcendent being. You cannot saw off a branch of God and study His growth rings. You cannot weigh God, measure His heart rate, His blood pressure, His respiratory response, and other vital signs. You cannot psychoanalyze God or decode His DNA.

Put simply, in order to find evidence of God's existence, you have to go where the evidence exists, which is in the spiritual realm beyond the physical nature of the existing universe.

God, the Creator, the Intelligence, and the Cause of all that exists in the physical universe is an Absolute t***h and therefore is not available to and cannot be interpreted or observed by the laws of science.

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Jul 27, 2021 21:18:16   #
Sonny Magoo Loc: Where pot pie is boiled in a kettle
 
Roamin' Catholic wrote:
Steven Hawking was a great man but the glaring flaw in his assessment concerning the existence of the universe is that he doesn't dig deeply enough, which is precisely the problem I see with atheism.

And he of all people should know that when you discount one theory you better have one with which to replace it, or you're just another voice in the crowd.

So no one created the universe? Well then either the universe was created by a thing or not created at all. If the universe was created by a thing then all we have to ask is how was the thing created? It doesn't take long to realize the need for an Uncreated Creator, a Prime Mover, a First Cause, wh**ever you want to call it. That starting point is what people that are open to the possibility of the supernatural call "God".

If the universe was not created, ergo has always existed, apparently in an infinite cycle of Big Bang and Big Crush, well then you deny science as it pertains to our observation of universal expansion, energy and matter vs. gravity. It appears as though there can be no big crush. Hawking said so. Even black holes, which are the bosses of gravity, eventually will evaporate due to Hawking radiation.

Also you would be supporting the doctrine of turtles all the way down.
🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢

The belief of a universe with no beginning or end requires a much greater degree of faith than belief in a Creator, and denies the sciences of cosmology, astronomy and astrophysics. Hawking was a huge contributor to these repositories of knowledge.

On the other hand, perhaps a profound fear of the supernatural is responsible for the ignorance and denial of the atheist?
Steven Hawking was a great man but the glaring fla... (show quote)


Always trying to justify sin.

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Jul 28, 2021 05:13:21   #
fullspinzoo
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Hawking concludes with his most direct, personal answer to the universal question:

It’s my view that the simplest explanation is that there is no God. No one created the universe and no one directs our fate. This leads me to a profound realisation: there is probably no heaven and afterlife either. I think belief in an afterlife is just wishful thinking. There is no reliable evidence for it, and it flies in the face of everything we know in science. I think that when we die we return to dust. But there’s a sense in which we live on, in our influence, and in our genes that we pass on to our children. We have this one life to appreciate the grand design of the universe, and for that I am extremely grateful.
-Steven Hawking-
Hawking concludes with his most direct, personal a... (show quote)

He's an atheist like you, so what???

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Jul 28, 2021 05:16:22   #
fullspinzoo
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Hawking concludes with his most direct, personal answer to the universal question:

It’s my view that the simplest explanation is that there is no God. No one created the universe and no one directs our fate. This leads me to a profound realisation: there is probably no heaven and afterlife either. I think belief in an afterlife is just wishful thinking. There is no reliable evidence for it, and it flies in the face of everything we know in science. I think that when we die we return to dust. But there’s a sense in which we live on, in our influence, and in our genes that we pass on to our children. We have this one life to appreciate the grand design of the universe, and for that I am extremely grateful.
-Steven Hawking-
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Youz been had.

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