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As A Jurist How Would You See A Case Where A Capital R****r stabbed A Cop In The Eye With A F**gpole?
Jul 21, 2021 16:59:37   #
woodguru
 
After all the rhetoric about patriotism and rights and peaceful protest...

How would you see someone who is charged with attacking police and injuring them when they pleaded not guilty and can be clearly seen doing what they were charged with on video?

To me when you are asked how you plead, you have been offered a deal that involves less time than prosecutors will ask for if you put the system through a trial. Taxing the court system with a jury trial when you are guilty as far as I'm concerned changes the sentencing guidelines to the upper end of the range, when the lower could be had.

The wild card here is going to be juries that simply can't be unbiased and put the law and actual guilt that can be easily proved first as the rule of law.

Those who feel strongly about narratives that these are political prisoners, they are patriots, they were exercising their rights to protest, etc. etc. see things in a different way, they could and would let people who actually committed crimes walk.

I'm curious if those on the right would come right out and say that someone who attacked a cop or destroyed property should be charged accordingly, or if they would get a free pass just because...

https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-r**t-footage/?utm_source=push_notifications

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Jul 21, 2021 17:08:10   #
steve66613
 
woodguru wrote:
After all the rhetoric about patriotism and rights and peaceful protest...

How would you see someone who is charged with attacking police and injuring them when they pleaded not guilty and can be clearly seen doing what they were charged with on video?

To me when you are asked how you plead, you have been offered a deal that involves less time than prosecutors will ask for if you put the system through a trial. Taxing the court system with a jury trial when you are guilty as far as I'm concerned changes the sentencing guidelines to the upper end of the range, when the lower could be had.

The wild card here is going to be juries that simply can't be unbiased and put the law and actual guilt that can be easily proved first as the rule of law.

Those who feel strongly about narratives that these are political prisoners, they are patriots, they were exercising their rights to protest, etc. etc. see things in a different way, they could and would let people who actually committed crimes walk.

I'm curious if those on the right would come right out and say that someone who attacked a cop or destroyed property should be charged accordingly, or if they would get a free pass just because...

https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-r**t-footage/?utm_source=push_notifications
After all the rhetoric about patriotism and rights... (show quote)


…..because shooting an unarmed woman for no known reason, would be much more egregious. Especially, a person who served honorably, in the armed forces.

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Jul 21, 2021 17:20:30   #
Sonny Magoo Loc: Where pot pie is boiled in a kettle
 
woodguru wrote:
After all the rhetoric about patriotism and rights and peaceful protest...

How would you see someone who is charged with attacking police and injuring them when they pleaded not guilty and can be clearly seen doing what they were charged with on video?

To me when you are asked how you plead, you have been offered a deal that involves less time than prosecutors will ask for if you put the system through a trial. Taxing the court system with a jury trial when you are guilty as far as I'm concerned changes the sentencing guidelines to the upper end of the range, when the lower could be had.

The wild card here is going to be juries that simply can't be unbiased and put the law and actual guilt that can be easily proved first as the rule of law.

Those who feel strongly about narratives that these are political prisoners, they are patriots, they were exercising their rights to protest, etc. etc. see things in a different way, they could and would let people who actually committed crimes walk.

I'm curious if those on the right would come right out and say that someone who attacked a cop or destroyed property should be charged accordingly, or if they would get a free pass just because...

https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-r**t-footage/?utm_source=push_notifications
After all the rhetoric about patriotism and rights... (show quote)


Come on baby light my fire 🔥.
Republicans want no part of lawlessness...that be Obama

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Jul 21, 2021 17:35:20   #
Rose42
 
woodguru wrote:
After all the rhetoric about patriotism and rights and peaceful protest...

How would you see someone who is charged with attacking police and injuring them when they pleaded not guilty and can be clearly seen doing what they were charged with on video?

To me when you are asked how you plead, you have been offered a deal that involves less time than prosecutors will ask for if you put the system through a trial. Taxing the court system with a jury trial when you are guilty as far as I'm concerned changes the sentencing guidelines to the upper end of the range, when the lower could be had.

The wild card here is going to be juries that simply can't be unbiased and put the law and actual guilt that can be easily proved first as the rule of law.

Those who feel strongly about narratives that these are political prisoners, they are patriots, they were exercising their rights to protest, etc. etc. see things in a different way, they could and would let people who actually committed crimes walk.

I'm curious if those on the right would come right out and say that someone who attacked a cop or destroyed property should be charged accordingly, or if they would get a free pass just because...

https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-r**t-footage/?utm_source=push_notifications
After all the rhetoric about patriotism and rights... (show quote)


Its easy to say everyone deserves their rights until its something you disagree with. Presumed guilt and trial by media is what you are supporting

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Jul 22, 2021 10:28:45   #
agatemaggot Loc: waterloo iowa
 
woodguru wrote:
After all the rhetoric about patriotism and rights and peaceful protest...

How would you see someone who is charged with attacking police and injuring them when they pleaded not guilty and can be clearly seen doing what they were charged with on video?

To me when you are asked how you plead, you have been offered a deal that involves less time than prosecutors will ask for if you put the system through a trial. Taxing the court system with a jury trial when you are guilty as far as I'm concerned changes the sentencing guidelines to the upper end of the range, when the lower could be had.

The wild card here is going to be juries that simply can't be unbiased and put the law and actual guilt that can be easily proved first as the rule of law.

Those who feel strongly about narratives that these are political prisoners, they are patriots, they were exercising their rights to protest, etc. etc. see things in a different way, they could and would let people who actually committed crimes walk.

I'm curious if those on the right would come right out and say that someone who attacked a cop or destroyed property should be charged accordingly, or if they would get a free pass just because...

https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-r**t-footage/?utm_source=push_notifications
After all the rhetoric about patriotism and rights... (show quote)


Guy was wearing all Black , Trump SUPORTER ???????

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Jul 22, 2021 11:21:38   #
woodguru
 
steve66613 wrote:
…..because shooting an unarmed woman for no known reason, would be much more egregious. Especially, a person who served honorably, in the armed forces.


And that would have absolutely nothing to do with sitting as a jurist on a case where it was 100% conclusive that the defendant jabbed a cop in the face then through the pole like a spear, which could easily cause bodily harm.

Is this how the right is going to base everything that is being prosecuted...free passes because (fill in the unrelated event)?

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Jul 22, 2021 11:25:14   #
woodguru
 
Rose42 wrote:
Its easy to say everyone deserves their rights until its something you disagree with. Presumed guilt and trial by media is what you are supporting


No, we are talking about a single prosecution where they have a guy on video attacking a cop...why is this so hard?

Yes, 100% rock solid evidence makes it fairly easy to presume guilt...you don't trust your eyes to tell you what you saw? So, can you say yes it is apparent this guy is guilty as charged...without bringing in the bias and BS?

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Jul 22, 2021 11:26:35   #
woodguru
 
agatemaggot wrote:
Guy was wearing all Black , Trump SUPORTER ???????


It doesn't matter whether he was a****a or a trump supporter, he is not being charged because of what his political beliefs are, he is being charged because he was caught on video attacking a cop.

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Jul 22, 2021 12:43:59   #
Rose42
 
woodguru wrote:
No, we are talking about a single prosecution where they have a guy on video attacking a cop...why is this so hard?

Yes, 100% rock solid evidence makes it fairly easy to presume guilt...you don't trust your eyes to tell you what you saw? So, can you say yes it is apparent this guy is guilty as charged...without bringing in the bias and BS?


The only bias and BS is from you. Its apparent you have little regard for the rights of others that you would so readily suspend them. And you think its just republicans attacking the constitution.

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Jul 22, 2021 16:02:07   #
WEBCO
 
woodguru wrote:
After all the rhetoric about patriotism and rights and peaceful protest...

How would you see someone who is charged with attacking police and injuring them when they pleaded not guilty and can be clearly seen doing what they were charged with on video?

To me when you are asked how you plead, you have been offered a deal that involves less time than prosecutors will ask for if you put the system through a trial. Taxing the court system with a jury trial when you are guilty as far as I'm concerned changes the sentencing guidelines to the upper end of the range, when the lower could be had.

The wild card here is going to be juries that simply can't be unbiased and put the law and actual guilt that can be easily proved first as the rule of law.

Those who feel strongly about narratives that these are political prisoners, they are patriots, they were exercising their rights to protest, etc. etc. see things in a different way, they could and would let people who actually committed crimes walk.

I'm curious if those on the right would come right out and say that someone who attacked a cop or destroyed property should be charged accordingly, or if they would get a free pass just because...

https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-r**t-footage/?utm_source=push_notifications
After all the rhetoric about patriotism and rights... (show quote)


Anyone, and EVERYONE, who destroys property or attacks any person should be charged and "prosecuted"

I'm a conservative. There is my answer.

Now will you agree to the same?

Because there are 1,000s if not 10,000s of thousands who have not been charged or prosecuted for their actions in the r**ts last year.

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Jul 22, 2021 17:10:03   #
woodguru
 
Rose42 wrote:
The only bias and BS is from you. Its apparent you have little regard for the rights of others that you would so readily suspend them. And you think its just republicans attacking the constitution.


I don't see where this response has anything to do with a case where a guy attacked a cop, I'm asking could you sit on a jury without being so biased your sympathy for this guy would not allow you to convict him for what you can see he did.

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Jul 22, 2021 17:14:59   #
woodguru
 
WEBCO wrote:
Anyone, and EVERYONE, who destroys property or attacks any person should be charged and "prosecuted"

I'm a conservative. There is my answer.

Now will you agree to the same?

Because there are 1,000s if not 10,000s of thousands who have not been charged or prosecuted for their actions in the r**ts last year.


Actually hundreds have been charged, any that come with video proof I would expect to be prosecuted.

Thousands of trump supporters have been left alone, they are not being prosecuted just because they were there protesting and supporting trump. The line was crossed attacking police, breaking into the capital, and being there with clearly stated intentions to harm people.

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Jul 22, 2021 22:14:35   #
WEBCO
 
woodguru wrote:
Actually hundreds have been charged, any that come with video proof I would expect to be prosecuted.

Thousands of trump supporters have been left alone, they are not being prosecuted just because they were there protesting and supporting trump. The line was crossed attacking police, breaking into the capital, and being there with clearly stated intentions to harm people.


Your willful ignorance is noted. I haven't seen hundreds prosecuted, I've seen thousands willfully let go scot free. The leader, of a true i**********n, of CHAZ is now making over $100,000 a year from the city of Seattle. The federal court house in Portland was under assault, nightly, for almost a year. By the same A****a agitators night after night after night. Please give one example of "a Trump supporter"who hasn't been prosecuted, and deserved to be.

Are you talking about the DEA agent who was fired, and is facing felony charges, and 15 years in prison? Because he never entered the building and only went at the request of his FBI informant ex Army buddy. Or the hundreds of people who are still rotting in jail, awaiting there hearing or trial? Funny how the left wing, brown shirt, A****a scum don't even spend a night in jail for far more heinous acts.

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Jul 23, 2021 12:26:01   #
Oldsalt
 
woodguru wrote:
After all the rhetoric about patriotism and rights and peaceful protest...

How would you see someone who is charged with attacking police and injuring them when they pleaded not guilty and can be clearly seen doing what they were charged with on video?

To me when you are asked how you plead, you have been offered a deal that involves less time than prosecutors will ask for if you put the system through a trial. Taxing the court system with a jury trial when you are guilty as far as I'm concerned changes the sentencing guidelines to the upper end of the range, when the lower could be had.

The wild card here is going to be juries that simply can't be unbiased and put the law and actual guilt that can be easily proved first as the rule of law.

Those who feel strongly about narratives that these are political prisoners, they are patriots, they were exercising their rights to protest, etc. etc. see things in a different way, they could and would let people who actually committed crimes walk.

I'm curious if those on the right would come right out and say that someone who attacked a cop or destroyed property should be charged accordingly, or if they would get a free pass just because...

https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-r**t-footage/?utm_source=push_notifications
After all the rhetoric about patriotism and rights... (show quote)


If you wanted to prevent what happened on J****** 6th from ever happening again it's really quite simple. Reduce the Federal Government by about 50%. Do away with the Dept of Education, the EPA, Cut the IRS down by 75%. Ensure that only the U.S. Marshals and the Boarder Patrol are Federal employees carrying a gun and a badge. There are no Federal Swat Teams period. Make the upper limit on income tax at 10% with no deductions, and force the Federal Goverment to operate on a balaanced budget. Get the goverments (state, Federal, and local)as far out of our day to day life as possible. Do that as a start and people won't r**t and try to express their distaine for the Government.

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Jul 23, 2021 14:53:33   #
Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich
 
woodguru wrote:
After all the rhetoric about patriotism and rights and peaceful protest...

How would you see someone who is charged with attacking police and injuring them when they pleaded not guilty and can be clearly seen doing what they were charged with on video?

To me when you are asked how you plead, you have been offered a deal that involves less time than prosecutors will ask for if you put the system through a trial. Taxing the court system with a jury trial when you are guilty as far as I'm concerned changes the sentencing guidelines to the upper end of the range, when the lower could be had.

The wild card here is going to be juries that simply can't be unbiased and put the law and actual guilt that can be easily proved first as the rule of law.

Those who feel strongly about narratives that these are political prisoners, they are patriots, they were exercising their rights to protest, etc. etc. see things in a different way, they could and would let people who actually committed crimes walk.

I'm curious if those on the right would come right out and say that someone who attacked a cop or destroyed property should be charged accordingly, or if they would get a free pass just because...

https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-r**t-footage/?utm_source=push_notifications
After all the rhetoric about patriotism and rights... (show quote)


To anyone that has been following the J** 6th Debacle, { White house}...{ fomented by the evil factions of the FBI, run amok }...certainly looks to be something derived of the evil minds of the FBI, & its wayward leadership!

Hey Ashleigh....You "OK"? Who really k**led you? Will America ever know? { Certainly not while Pelosi,& her regime of gross distrotion of law & order, is running things from her "perch of evil,& horror!"

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