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Graham to flee Washington?
Jul 20, 2021 07:47:28   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Lindsey Graham's threat to flee Washington is part of a troubling trend

By Joel Mathis

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) has a bright idea for stopping the Democrats' $3.5 trillion infrastructure package. He'll just copy what Texas Democrats have done, and get out of town so that the Senate can't muster a quorum to pass the bill.

"You got to have a quorum to pass a bill in the Senate," he told Fox News on Sunday. "I would leave before I let that happen."

Graham was probably just being cute, and in any case his scheme would be difficult to pull off: It takes just 51 members of the Senate to reach a quorum, so Graham would need all of his Republican colleagues to join him in order to succeed. But his comments are also a sign of how many GOPers — who so often present themselves as the "more Constitutional than thou" party — have slipped from embracing the vision of the Founders.

In Federalist 58, James Madison cautioned against letting members of Congress use manipulation of quorum requirements to block legislation. "In all cases where justice or the general good might require new laws to be passed, or active measures to be pursued, the fundamental principle of free government would be reversed," he wrote. "It would be no longer the majority that would rule: the power would be transferred to the minority." It sure seems that Madison, at least, would think it wrong for Graham to get his way by keeping the Senate from doing business.

That brings us back to Texas Democrats, who fled their state to block the GOP-controlled legislature from passing new voter restrictions. Wouldn't Madison frown on them, too? The easy answer — too easy, really — is that Madison was writing about the federal government and not state governments, so who cares? But the reality is that in the name of defending democracy, Texas Democrats are using anti-majoritarian, anti-democratic tactics to achieve their policy goals. That should be at least a little discomfiting to progressives who have spent the last few months pleading for the end of the anti-majoritarian, anti-democratic filibuster in the U.S. Senate. Consistency is a difficult thing in politics, for both Republicans and Democrats, when the possibility of power is at hand.

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Jul 20, 2021 08:31:38   #
billy a Loc: South Florida
 
slatten49 wrote:
Lindsey Graham's threat to flee Washington is part of a troubling trend

By Joel Mathis

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) has a bright idea for stopping the Democrats' $3.5 trillion infrastructure package. He'll just copy what Texas Democrats have done, and get out of town so that the Senate can't muster a quorum to pass the bill.

"You got to have a quorum to pass a bill in the Senate," he told Fox News on Sunday. "I would leave before I let that happen."

Graham was probably just being cute, and in any case his scheme would be difficult to pull off: It takes just 51 members of the Senate to reach a quorum, so Graham would need all of his Republican colleagues to join him in order to succeed. But his comments are also a sign of how many GOPers — who so often present themselves as the "more Constitutional than thou" party — have slipped from embracing the vision of the Founders.

In Federalist 58, James Madison cautioned against letting members of Congress use manipulation of quorum requirements to block legislation. "In all cases where justice or the general good might require new laws to be passed, or active measures to be pursued, the fundamental principle of free government would be reversed," he wrote. "It would be no longer the majority that would rule: the power would be transferred to the minority." It sure seems that Madison, at least, would think it wrong for Graham to get his way by keeping the Senate from doing business.

That brings us back to Texas Democrats, who fled their state to block the GOP-controlled legislature from passing new voter restrictions. Wouldn't Madison frown on them, too? The easy answer — too easy, really — is that Madison was writing about the federal government and not state governments, so who cares? But the reality is that in the name of defending democracy, Texas Democrats are using anti-majoritarian, anti-democratic tactics to achieve their policy goals. That should be at least a little discomfiting to progressives who have spent the last few months pleading for the end of the anti-majoritarian, anti-democratic filibuster in the U.S. Senate. Consistency is a difficult thing in politics, for both Republicans and Democrats, when the possibility of power is at hand.
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It's reached a point where We the People don't give a damn if you were elected at the State or Federal level. or if you're a liberal or conservative...These people were chosen to represent US, and we're paying pretty well for them to do so. If an employee acted like these entitled twits, I'd fire them out the door.
Where is the dignity and leadership in that photo of a plane-load of beer swilling politicians fleeing their Sworn duty in Texas.
I spit on all of them.

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Jul 20, 2021 08:40:27   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
slatten49 wrote:
Lindsey Graham's threat to flee Washington is part of a troubling trend

By Joel Mathis

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) has a bright idea for stopping the Democrats' $3.5 trillion infrastructure package. He'll just copy what Texas Democrats have done, and get out of town so that the Senate can't muster a quorum to pass the bill.

"You got to have a quorum to pass a bill in the Senate," he told Fox News on Sunday. "I would leave before I let that happen."

Graham was probably just being cute, and in any case his scheme would be difficult to pull off: It takes just 51 members of the Senate to reach a quorum, so Graham would need all of his Republican colleagues to join him in order to succeed. But his comments are also a sign of how many GOPers — who so often present themselves as the "more Constitutional than thou" party — have slipped from embracing the vision of the Founders.

In Federalist 58, James Madison cautioned against letting members of Congress use manipulation of quorum requirements to block legislation. "In all cases where justice or the general good might require new laws to be passed, or active measures to be pursued, the fundamental principle of free government would be reversed," he wrote. "It would be no longer the majority that would rule: the power would be transferred to the minority." It sure seems that Madison, at least, would think it wrong for Graham to get his way by keeping the Senate from doing business.

That brings us back to Texas Democrats, who fled their state to block the GOP-controlled legislature from passing new voter restrictions. Wouldn't Madison frown on them, too? The easy answer — too easy, really — is that Madison was writing about the federal government and not state governments, so who cares? But the reality is that in the name of defending democracy, Texas Democrats are using anti-majoritarian, anti-democratic tactics to achieve their policy goals. That should be at least a little discomfiting to progressives who have spent the last few months pleading for the end of the anti-majoritarian, anti-democratic filibuster in the U.S. Senate. Consistency is a difficult thing in politics, for both Republicans and Democrats, when the possibility of power is at hand.
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Here’s a thought ,
We don’t need their votes.
Self important Lindsey is only creating a farcical scenario to change what really is happening.
Nobody needs his vote.
And besides
, I think they were shutting down for summer break anyways.

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Jul 20, 2021 08:46:04   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
slatten49 wrote:
Lindsey Graham's threat to flee Washington is part of a troubling trend

By Joel Mathis

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) has a bright idea for stopping the Democrats' $3.5 trillion infrastructure package. He'll just copy what Texas Democrats have done, and get out of town so that the Senate can't muster a quorum to pass the bill.

"You got to have a quorum to pass a bill in the Senate," he told Fox News on Sunday. "I would leave before I let that happen."

Graham was probably just being cute, and in any case his scheme would be difficult to pull off: It takes just 51 members of the Senate to reach a quorum, so Graham would need all of his Republican colleagues to join him in order to succeed. But his comments are also a sign of how many GOPers — who so often present themselves as the "more Constitutional than thou" party — have slipped from embracing the vision of the Founders.

In Federalist 58, James Madison cautioned against letting members of Congress use manipulation of quorum requirements to block legislation. "In all cases where justice or the general good might require new laws to be passed, or active measures to be pursued, the fundamental principle of free government would be reversed," he wrote. "It would be no longer the majority that would rule: the power would be transferred to the minority." It sure seems that Madison, at least, would think it wrong for Graham to get his way by keeping the Senate from doing business.

That brings us back to Texas Democrats, who fled their state to block the GOP-controlled legislature from passing new voter restrictions. Wouldn't Madison frown on them, too? The easy answer — too easy, really — is that Madison was writing about the federal government and not state governments, so who cares? But the reality is that in the name of defending democracy, Texas Democrats are using anti-majoritarian, anti-democratic tactics to achieve their policy goals. That should be at least a little discomfiting to progressives who have spent the last few months pleading for the end of the anti-majoritarian, anti-democratic filibuster in the U.S. Senate. Consistency is a difficult thing in politics, for both Republicans and Democrats, when the possibility of power is at hand.
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The ends do not justify the means.

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Jul 20, 2021 09:33:46   #
microphor
 
billy a wrote:
It's reached a point where We the People don't give a damn if you were elected at the State or Federal level. or if you're a liberal or conservative...These people were chosen to represent US, and we're paying pretty well for them to do so. If an employee acted like these entitled twits, I'd fire them out the door.
Where is the dignity and leadership in that photo of a plane-load of beer swilling politicians fleeing their Sworn duty in Texas.
I spit on all of them.


me too!

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Jul 20, 2021 13:21:26   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
Lindsey Graham's threat to flee Washington is part of a troubling trend

By Joel Mathis

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) has a bright idea for stopping the Democrats' $3.5 trillion infrastructure package. He'll just copy what Texas Democrats have done, and get out of town so that the Senate can't muster a quorum to pass the bill.

"You got to have a quorum to pass a bill in the Senate," he told Fox News on Sunday. "I would leave before I let that happen."

Graham was probably just being cute, and in any case his scheme would be difficult to pull off: It takes just 51 members of the Senate to reach a quorum, so Graham would need all of his Republican colleagues to join him in order to succeed. But his comments are also a sign of how many GOPers — who so often present themselves as the "more Constitutional than thou" party — have slipped from embracing the vision of the Founders.

In Federalist 58, James Madison cautioned against letting members of Congress use manipulation of quorum requirements to block legislation. "In all cases where justice or the general good might require new laws to be passed, or active measures to be pursued, the fundamental principle of free government would be reversed," he wrote. "It would be no longer the majority that would rule: the power would be transferred to the minority." It sure seems that Madison, at least, would think it wrong for Graham to get his way by keeping the Senate from doing business.

That brings us back to Texas Democrats, who fled their state to block the GOP-controlled legislature from passing new voter restrictions. Wouldn't Madison frown on them, too? The easy answer — too easy, really — is that Madison was writing about the federal government and not state governments, so who cares? But the reality is that in the name of defending democracy, Texas Democrats are using anti-majoritarian, anti-democratic tactics to achieve their policy goals. That should be at least a little discomfiting to progressives who have spent the last few months pleading for the end of the anti-majoritarian, anti-democratic filibuster in the U.S. Senate. Consistency is a difficult thing in politics, for both Republicans and Democrats, when the possibility of power is at hand.
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As you mentioned, Graham was just being cute, as in kidding, but the democrats in Texas were not and they actually did it. When the federal GOP actually do something like that, let us know. But for now it IS the democrats who have hypocrisy on full display both in this regard and a good deal of other issues, like immigration from Cuba, for instance.

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Jul 20, 2021 13:33:59   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
As you mentioned, Graham was just being cute, as in kidding, but the democrats in Texas were not and they actually did it. When the federal GOP actually do something like that, let us know. But for now it IS the democrats who have hypocrisy on full display both in this regard and a good deal of other issues, like immigration from Cuba, for instance.

It was written "Graham was 'probably' just being cute"...as it was not certain. And sadly, both parties have been guilty of hypocrisy in any number of matters/instances.

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Jul 20, 2021 13:43:30   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
It was written "Graham was 'probably' just being cute"...as it was not certain. And sadly, both parties have been guilty of hypocrisy in any number of matters/instances.


Yes, sadly on both politics and issues and matters of importance. I will say, and you might not agree, that it was Trumps "malignant narcissism" which made him less of a hypocrite. He would do the right thing for all the wrong reasons, it seemed. For many of us, doing the right thing carried weight over the reasons for doing the right thing.

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Jul 20, 2021 13:44:16   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
For now we have a guy and a majority in gov doing the wrong things for the wrong reasons.

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Jul 20, 2021 17:14:58   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
For now we have a guy and a majority in gov doing the wrong things for the wrong reasons.



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