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Once again a kid k**ls another kid with a gun he 'didn't know was loaded'

At least this shooting occurred on church property, but praying didn't seem to help.





https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/boy-15-accidently-shoots-k**ls-13-year-friend-78916931?cid=clicksource_4380645_1_heads_hero_live_headlines_hed

Kevyn

Thoughts and prayers are obviously the only solution. Children need deadly weapons to protect themselves and accidents of this nature are simply the price of freedom.

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

sure seems that way. It should be illegal to not have weapons in locked safe storage when children live in the home.

PeterS

The gun owner should be held responsible. If you want guns then you have to be held responsible if they are misused because of your neglect.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Until adults are charged in these deaths, they'll continue unabated. I mean, a few dead kids is not too high a price to pay to protect folks sacred 2nd amendment rights, or, at least, the modern interpretation of it.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

It kind of turns my stomach to agree with you, but I do agree that the gun owner should be found and investigated. There is NO excuse for a firearm to be in the hands of a child, and whoever is responsible should be held accountable.
Having said that, Rinaldi is a first class ass for trying to make an issue of the "happening in a church" when it did not. Two boys (illegally? driving? stealing?) a vehicle into a church's parking lot with a stolen weapon can be considered evolution in action.

By the way, just for the record. NO firearm, in the history of America, when properly designed and constructed, legally purchased, legally used, and properly and safely maintained by the legitimate owner, has ever harmed anyone. Not once.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

CORRECTION: Has never harmed anyone that was not criminally threatening an innocent.

PeterS

The problem is when you have hundreds of millions of guns out there if only 10% are misused then you have an army of i***ts up to no good. What do you do with them, simply shrug at the carnage they create?

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

You investigate, charge, try, and if found guilty and/or negligent, you punish them. Anything else is wrong and unacceptable. There are far more vehicles than firearms, and they cause thousands of times more injuries and deaths, and millions of times more damage to property. Yet no one wants to eliminate private use of vehicles.
Find and punish those who abuse, but leave the honest ones alone. You may want to read an article I just posted in a new thread.

PeterS

Cars are regulated, licensed, and owners tested to make sure they can drive them. Do the same with guns and you people hide behind the second amendment, something that wasn't created for what we have today...

American Vet

But your number is a wild "what if" scenario that just doesn't happen.

Over the last 25 years, annual numbers of gun accident deaths have decreased by more than 66%.[3] Concurrently, Americans have acquired over 200 million new guns and today own approximately 407 million guns, an all-time high
https://www.nraila.org/get-the-facts/gun-safety/

"On January 16, 2013, President Obama issued 23 Executive Orders on Gun Safety,[158] one of which was for the Center for Disease Control (CDC) to research causes and possible prevention of gun violence. According to this study not only have the number of accidental firearm deaths been on the decline over the past century but they now account for less than 1% of all unintentional deaths, half of which are self-inflicted."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States#Accidental_and_negligent_injuries

Top 5 Causes Of Accidental Child Deaths
Car-Related Accidents
Suffocation
Drowning
Fire-Related Incidents
Choking
https://www.scarymommy.com/top-5-causes-preventable-childhood-deaths/

American Vet

Why not apply that to the real top causes of accidental deaths in children?

Or are you singling out guns because of your personal bias?

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

You are correct about cars. And yet, even with all that, they are still the cause of incredible death, pain, and destruction. You want to apply the same ideas to firearm ownership? Even though misuse of firearms cause less damaged and harm in a year than vehicles do in a week? OK. I have no problem with people being examined and licensed to buy, possess, and use firearms, as long as they are not denied without adequate reasonable justification. But before that can happen, the 2nd Amendment must be changed. Go ahead. Give it a shot. There is a process already in place for you to do exactly that.

PeterS

I'm not talking about changing the second amendment, you conservatives have already done that...and I doubt very much if you would agree to the type of licensing that goes into cars and apply it to guns because just as there are those that are denied a drivers license deny one single conservative the right to own their precious gun and the whole world will come tumbling down.

This isn't an argument, the second amendment was created to provide a m*****a to protect the country in place of a free-standing army. There isn't a conservative out there though who cares about that...you want the largest military you could possibly have and you want a "m*****a" too only you DON'T want to be "Well" regulated by the government.

And hey, if you want to build an argument to do away with cars go right ahead but as horrific crashes, as we might have today they are nothing compared to what we had just 30 years ago. Why you ask???
Regulations...mountains, and mountains of them, and there will be even more as we go along. People like their cars but they also like to be safe in them. If you got T-boned in the 1960's you likely would be dead. If you got T-boned in 2021 you would stand a good chance of surviving all because today's cars are over-engineered for safety wherewith you conservatives we have bump stocks and every effort to circumvent, get around, and disobey all efforts at regulating gun safety. Give a pimply-faced teenager an AR-15 and applaud when he commits murder. Do you think that's what the founders had in mind? Not by a long shot but it fits the narrative that you conservatives want it to so wh**ever the founders intended...well, they can go FK themselves because they sure as hell ain't going to take away our guns...are they.

American Vet

You are assuming, incorrectly, that is the ONLY reason the 2A was created. Here are some thoughts from the 'creators' of the 2A:

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful s***ery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of s***es."
- William Pitt (the Younger)

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention,