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Jun 30, 2021 15:18:34   #
woodguru
 
But damn he came close. He did qualify in some of the categories as worst though...

https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/

Here's a recap and breakdown
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-cspan-historian-ranking/?utm_source=push_notifications

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Jun 30, 2021 15:37:58   #
Strycker
 
Not surprising considering the overwhelmingly liberal leaning of the participants.

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Jun 30, 2021 15:42:40   #
Liberty Tree
 
Strycker wrote:
Not surprising considering the overwhelmingly liberal leaning of the participants.


Just more ELWNJ BS posted by an insignicant troll. Ignore it and him.

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Jun 30, 2021 15:51:06   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Strycker wrote:
Not surprising considering the overwhelmingly liberal leaning of the participants.


CSpan used actual living historians. Not halfwits.
Rawstory only reprinted it.
Rawstory real news.

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Jun 30, 2021 15:52:00   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Just more ELWNJ BS posted by an insignicant troll. Ignore it and him.


You nailed him.

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Jun 30, 2021 15:52:47   #
Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich
 
woodguru wrote:
But damn he came close. He did qualify in some of the categories as worst though...

https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/

Here's a recap and breakdown
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-cspan-historian-ranking/?utm_source=push_notifications


Too bad this venue does not have space enough to recap the Moral breakdown, murders, mayhem, criminality, total loss of humanity, political abortion of so many misdirected souls....{ in this venue } Such Criminality, & human irresponsibility, corruption, & lawlessness of Politicians such as the Kennedy's { Chappaquiddice, etal}...ineptness of the Carter admins., the immorality of the Clinton family, both Slick perverted Willie, & "Killery"...{ Frequent guests of Jeffrey Epstein, & Harvey Weinstein}...Bath House Barry, & Mooochelle, & their unparalleled "CULTURE OF CORRUPTION", DEBAUCHERY, DRUG ABUSE, HATER OF WHITE PEOPLE, FOMENTOR'S OF COMMUNISM, MARXISM, SOCIALISM, & MUSLIMISM....SUCH A CORRUPT PRESIDENCY THIS COUNTRY HAS NEVER SEEN....{ *UNTIL }...ALONG with COMES BIDEN/HARRIS...& a whole new sequence of evilness, corruption, & race-baiting, that even puits Al "THE RAT" Sharpton to shame!
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Jun 30, 2021 15:53:01   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Milosia2 wrote:
CSpan used actual living historians. Not halfwits.


Wouldn't have made much sense to use dead historians. Just because one is a historian does not eliminate their bias or prejudices.

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Jun 30, 2021 15:58:04   #
woodguru
 
JFlorio wrote:
Wouldn't have made much sense to use dead historians. Just because one is a historian does not eliminate their bias or prejudices.


You eliminate or assess that by looking at the criteria and make sure it has been used the same across the board for everyone...

Biased people can produce unbiased reports if they are using a set standard they've adhered to.

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Jun 30, 2021 15:58:48   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
woodguru wrote:
You eliminate or assess that by looking at the criteria and make sure it has been used the same across the board for everyone...

Biased people can produce unbiased reports if they are using a set standard they've adhered to.


keep telling yourself that troll.

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Jun 30, 2021 16:00:20   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Queens, New York City
 
woodguru wrote:
But damn he came close. He did qualify in some of the categories as worst though...

https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/

Here's a recap and breakdown
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-cspan-historian-ranking/?utm_source=push_notifications


wood,It's years early before historians can accurately judge Trump. They need to judge how his actions effected the country, and that means that they should wait at least ten years, or more. I for one can't think of many ex Presidents in his class of terrible. Most of our lousy Presidents had at least one redeemable quality, but not Trump. As I've written many times before, he is a diagnosed sociopath. Thats as bad as bad gets. His character is being narcissistic, which is one of the signs of being a sociopath. He shows every other sign of being a sociopath. This list includes lack of empathy, being callus, no remorse, sexual infidelity, being a pathological liar, extreme narcissism, etc., etc.

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Jun 30, 2021 16:03:59   #
Strycker
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Just more ELWNJ BS posted by an insignicant troll. Ignore it and him.


I realize that. But I find the irrational posts and sources fascinating. If for no other reason than to be aware that they are out there.

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Jun 30, 2021 16:05:17   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
wood,It's years early before historians can accurately judge Trump. They need to judge how his actions effected the country, and that means that they should wait at least ten years, or more. I for one can't think of many ex Presidents in his class of terrible. Most of our lousy Presidents had at least one redeemable quality, but not Trump. As I've written many times before, he is a diagnosed sociopath. Thats as bad as bad gets. His character is being narcissistic, which is one of the signs of being a sociopath. He shows every other sign of being a sociopath. This list includes lack of empathy, being callus, no remorse, sexual infidelity, being a pathological liar, extreme narcissism, etc., etc.
wood,It's years early before historians can accura... (show quote)


No one cares what you find. When did you get your psychology degree?

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Jun 30, 2021 16:06:14   #
Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich
 
woodguru wrote:
But damn he came close. He did qualify in some of the categories as worst though...

https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/

Here's a recap and breakdown
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-cspan-historian-ranking/?utm_source=push_notifications


Trump....could not possibly come 'even close", to the debauchery of the kennedy, Clinton, Obammy, & now the newly arrived most corrupt inept, & racially putrid administration in the history of this Republic...that we find in the Biden Harris "SCAM ON AMERICA"!

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Jun 30, 2021 16:07:43   #
moldyoldy
 
The Washington Post
Historians just ranked the presidents. Trump wasn’t last.
Gillian Brockell 1 hr ago

Donald Trump, Andrew Johnson are posing for a picture: Donald Trump, left, James Buchanan, center, and Andrew Johnson. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post, iStock)© Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post, iStock Donald Trump, left, James Buchanan, center, and Andrew Johnson. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post, iStock)
Despite being impeached twice, former president Donald Trump is not the worst president in U.S. history, according to 142 presidential historians surveyed by C-SPAN, the results of which were released Wednesday.

But the survey doesn’t give Trump much to brag about either. He ranked lower than William Henry Harrison, who was only president for 31 days, and John Tyler, the only former president buried in a coffin draped with the Confederate flag.

So who ranked worse than Trump? According to the historians, presidents Franklin “Bleeding Kansas” Pierce, Andrew “First to Be Impeached” Johnson and James “Failed to Stop the Civil War” Buchanan, who came in last.

To be clear, this was an informal survey whose respondents were selected by C-SPAN, not a scientific poll. Dozens more historians were invited to complete the survey this time than in years past. C-SPAN said this was to reflect “new diversity in race, gender, age and philosophy,” but that also makes it harder to compare it to previous surveys.

Still, the respondents are all distinguished presidential historians covering a broad range of perspectives, and there are insights to gain from their collective opinions.

Abraham Lincoln wearing a suit and tie: President Abraham Lincoln sits for a portrait February 5, 1865. (Photo by Alexander Gardner/U.S. Library of Congress via Getty Images)© Library of Congress/Getty Images President Abraham Lincoln sits for a portrait February 5, 1865. (Photo by Alexander Gardner/U.S. Library of Congress via Getty Images)
Even with all the new historians participating, the top and bottom rankings remained unchanged. Since 2009, the top four presidents have been: 1) Abraham Lincoln 2) George Washington 3) Franklin D. Roosevelt and 4) Theodore Roosevelt. (Washington and FDR switched places in the 2000 survey.) The bottom three have been always been Pierce, Johnson and Buchanan, in that order.


The survey is conducted only when there is a change in administration, so that each presidency can be evaluated in its entirety. The historians do not rank the presidents themselves. Instead they are asked to rate each president from 1 to 10 on 10 leadership categories; the averages of all of the ratings are then ranked. The 10 categories are public persuasion, crisis leadership, economic management, moral authority, international relations, administrative skills, relations with Congress, vision/setting an agenda, pursuit of equal justice for all and performance within the context of the times.

Trump got his best average rating on public persuasion, in which he came in 32nd. On moral authority and administrative skills, however, he came in dead last.

Everyone loved George Washington, until he became president
Alexis Coe is one of the historians invited to do the survey for the first time, after her well-regarded 2020 book “You Never Forget Your First: A Biography of George Washington.” In her newsletter, she said she “jumped for joy” when she received the survey, then “agonized over every rating” for months. What about vision/setting an agenda for James K. Polk, who brought enslaved people to the White House and also annexed Texas? Warren G. Harding certainly rates low on moral authority, she wrote, but how low for his policies and how low for cheating on the first lady?

“I’ve yet to study a president who’s a perfect 10,” Coe wrote.

Ulysses S. Grant wearing a uniform: Gen. Ulysses S. Grant. (Mathew Brady/Associated Press)Gen. Ulysses S. Grant. (Mathew Brady/Associated Press)
The president whose reputation has improved the most in the past two decades? That’s Ulysses S. Grant, who started at No. 33 and is now ranked 20th. Grant has had a number of sympathetic biographies in recent years, and these days gets more credit for Reconstruction and his diplomacy than condemnation for his alleged corruption.

No president has fallen quite as much as Grant rose in the same period; but Trump-favorite Andrew Jackson fell the most, from No. 13 to No. 22. It is perhaps a reflection of changing attitudes in the public. Soon Jackson may fall right off the $20 bill.

Other interesting patterns reveal themselves in the rankings. The five presidents from 1933 to 1969 — FDR, Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson — rank in the top 11, making it the best stretch of presidents historians say America has had. The worst stretch came from 1837 to 1869, with the notable exception of four-time champion Lincoln.

In 2017, former president Barack Obama entered the ranking at No. 12, though Howard University historian Edna Greene Medford warned The Washington Post at the time that “historians prefer to view the past from a distance, and only time will reveal his legacy.” Four years later, a little distance seems to be doing Obama’s legacy good — he is now ranked No. 10.

President Biden will not be included in the C-SPAN survey until he has left office.

C-SPAN is not the only outfit conducting presidential rankings, and other recent surveys have included Trump before he left office. In 2018, when Boise State University surveyed presidential scholars for its Presidents & Executive Politics Presidential Greatness survey, Trump came in last. And that was before the two impeachments, the coronavirus pandemic and the Capitol insurrection.

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Jun 30, 2021 16:30:03   #
Strycker
 
Milosia2 wrote:
CSpan used actual living historians. Not halfwits.
Rawstory only reprinted it.
Rawstory real news.


Do you understand the word "participants"? Those that were polled. Not those conducting the poll. Participants were somewhere around 10 to 1 liberal.

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