Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

A priest after the order of Melchizedek
Genesis 14:18
Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High.

Hebrews 6:20b
Even Jesus, having become High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.

A Lamb without blemish
Exodus 12:5
Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats.

Hebrews 9:13-14
For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

1 Pet 1:19
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.

Christ is our Passover
Exodus 12:21-27
Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel and said to them, "Pick out and take lambs for yourselves according to your families, and kill the Passover lamb. And you shall take a bunch of hyssop, dip it in the blood that is in the basin, and strike the lintel and the two doorposts with the blood that is in the basin. And none of you shall go out of the door of his house until morning. For the LORD will pass through to strike the Egyptians; and when He sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the LORD will pass over the door and not allow the destroyer to come into your houses to strike you. And you shall observe this thing as an ordinance for you and your sons forever. It will come to pass when you come to the land which the LORD will give you, just as He promised, that you shall keep this service. And it shall be, when your children say to you, 'What do you mean by this service?' that you shall say, 'It is the Passover sacrifice of the LORD, who passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt when He struck the Egyptians and delivered our households.' " So the people bowed their heads and worshiped.

1 Corinthians 5:7
Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.

Jesus was crucified on Passover.

His exaltation predicted as Yeshua
Exodus 15:2
The LORD is my strength and song, And He has become my salvation; He is my God, and I will praise Him; My father's God, and I will exalt Him.

Acts 7:55-56
But he (Stephen), being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and said, "Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!"

Prefigures Christ’s once-for-all death
Leviticus 16:15-17
"Then he shall kill the goat of the sin offering, which is for the people, bring its blood inside the veil, do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bull, and sprinkle it on the mercy seat and before the mercy seat. So he shall make atonement for the Holy Place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions, for all their sins; and so he shall do for the tabernacle of meeting which remains among them in the midst of their uncleanness. There shall be no man in the tabernacle of meeting when he goes in to make atonement in the Holy Place, until he comes out, that he may make atonement for himself, for his household, and for all the assembly of Israel.

Hebrews 9:7-14
But into the second part the high priest went alone once a year, not without blood, which he offered for himself and for the people's sins committed in ignorance; the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing. It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience-- concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation. But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

It is the blood that makes atonement
Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.'

Romans 3:23-24
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

Not a bone of Him broken
Numbers 9:12
They shall leave none of it until morning, nor break one of its bones. According to all the ordinances of the Passover they shall keep it.

John 19:31-36
Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. Then the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first and of the other who was crucified with Him. But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs. But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out. And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe. For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, "Not one of His bones shall be broken."

Sent by the Father to speak His word
Deuteronomy 18:18
I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him.

John 8:28-29
Then Jesus said to them, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things. And He who sent Me is with Me. The Father has not left Me alone, for I always do those things that please Him."

Whoever will not hear must bear his sin
Deuteronomy 18:19
And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.

Acts 3:22-23
For Moses truly said to the fathers, 'The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.'

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Ok, let's start.

Where do you find that the reference to Melchizedek is referencing messiah.?

The passage in Psalms 110 is speaking of father Abraham.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

I never quoted Psalm 110. But to "humor" you as you won't believe it any way...

Genesis 14:1-2; 11-12; 14-20
1 And it came to pass in the days of Amraphel king of Shinar, Arioch king of Ellasar, Chedorlaomer king of Elam, and Tidal king of nations,
2 that they made war with Bera king of Sodom, Birsha king of Gomorrah, Shinab king of Admah, Shemeber king of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela (that is, Zoar).
11 Then they took all the goods of Sodom and Gomorrah, and all their provisions, and went their way.
12 They also took Lot, Abram's brother's son who dwelt in Sodom, and his goods, and departed.
14 Now when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he armed his three hundred and eighteen trained servants who were born in his own house, and went in pursuit as far as Dan.
15 He divided his forces against them by night, and he and his servants attacked them and pursued them as far as Hobah, which is north of Damascus.
16 So he brought back all the goods, and also brought back his brother Lot and his goods, as well as the women and the people.
17 And the king of Sodom went out to meet him at the Valley of Shaveh (that is, the King's Valley), after his return from the defeat of Chedorlaomer and the kings who were with him.
18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High.
19 And he blessed him and said: "Blessed be Abram of God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth;
20 And blessed be God Most High, Who has delivered your enemies into your hand." And he gave him a tithe of all.

The four kings of this passage had taken Abram’s nephew Lot. The Abram did something amazing. He armed and trained three hundred and eighteen of his servants, and launched a guerilla war against the four victorious kings. Because God was with him, Abram and his company overcame tremendous odds and were victorious. This is important for a number of reasons—but the one I want to consider is this: This is the first mention of war in the Bible.

Is war moral? Is war just? James says the reason there are so many wars in the world today is because of lust: one country wants another country's resources. But there is also a justifiable war, and that is what we see here. The war Abram launches was not about territory, possessions, politics, ideology, economy, or free enterprise. It was about family. Thus, I believe warfare is justified for the reason of liberating family. When people are being carried away, when family is held in captivity, I believe war is justifiable and necessary.

Returning from his victorious military raid, Abram was met by the king of Sodom—the prince of perversity—a picture of Satan himself. Abram was also met by a mysterious, marvelous monarch named Melchizedek, King of Salem. Melchizedek meaning "King of Righteousness," and Salem meaning "Peace," this is most likely a Christophany—an Old Testament appearance of Christ.

Two thousand years before Christ came to die for our sin, Melchizedek brought a symbol of His death—bread and wine, the elements of Communion. Just as we are saved by looking back to Christ's death on the Cross, Old Testament saints were saved by looking ahead to Christ's death on the Cross—of which their sacrifices were a picture. When we partake of Communion it is in remembrance of Jesus. Abram partook of Melchizedek's bread and wine in anticipation of Jesus.

The author of the Book of Hebrews gives further illumination as to Melchizedek's identity when he describes Him as being without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God. As Melchizedek's name means Righteousness, Jesus is our Righteousness (1 Corinthians 1:30). As Salem means Peace, Jesus is the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6). As Melchizedek had no beginning and no end, Jesus is Alpha and Omega (Revelation 22:12, 13). As Melchizedek was a priest, Jesus is our Great High Priest (Hebrews 6:20; 7:25-26).

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

You're correct, it's a hard sell. I used to profess the same story concerning Melchizedek too.

But...its not provable.

Melchizedek is actually Noah's grandson.

He was in the everlasting priesthood and wasn't an immortal being.

And the k his kingship isn't printed in upper case, it denotes a human being.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Exodus 12:5 is literally speaking of animals.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Christ is our Passover?

Let's see if that's Tanakh's version of the Passover.

Exodus 12 beginning in verse 1.. The Lord said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt:

2This month shall mark for you the beginning of months; it shall be the first of the months of the year for you.

3.Speak to the whole community of Israel and say on the tenth of this month each of them shall take a lamb, a lamb to a household.

4.But if the household is too small for a lamb, let him share one with a neighbor who dwells nearby, in proportion to the number of persons: you shall contribute for the lamb according to what each household will eat.

5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a year-long; you may take it from the sheep or the goats.

6 You shall keep watch over it until the fourteenth day of this month; and all the assembled congregation of the Israelites shall slaughter it at twilight.

7 They shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and the lintel of the houses where of the houses in which they are to eat it.

8 They shall eat the flesh that same night; they shall eat it roasted over fire, with Unleavened Bread and with bitter herbs.

9 Do not eat any of it raw, or cooked in any way with water, but roasted-head legs, and entrails-over fire.

10 You shall not leave any of it over until morning; if any of it is left until morning, you shall burn it.

11 This is how you shall eat it: your loins guarded, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and you shall eat of it hurriedly: it is a passover offering to the Lord.

12 For that night I will go through the land of Egypt and strike down every first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and I will mete out punishments to all the gods of Egypt, I the Lord.

13 And the blood on the houses where you are staying shall be a sign for you: when I see the bloodI will Passover you, so that no that no plague will destroy you when I strike the land of Egypt.

14 This day shall be to you one of remembrance:you shall celebrate it as a festival to the Lord throughout the ages ; you shall; you shall celebrate it as an institution for all time.

Now....where do you find a human to be sacrificed in the celebration of the passover in the Tanakh?

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

Exodus 12:1-17
1-2 Now the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, this month shall mark for you the beginning of months; it shall be the first of the months of the year for you.
1-2 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt: "This month shall be your beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you.
Monumental as it was, the Passover would not be the only event which would turn the calendar on its head, for when the Incarnation divided the global calendar into BC. and AD—Before Christ and The Year of our Lord—all of history was impacted. But there is a time yet to come when antichrist will seek to change the calendar again in order to eradicate the name of Jesus altogether (Daniel 7:25). We're seeing a hint of this even today as the terms CE. or BCE—Common Era and Before Common Era—are increasingly used in Europe as replacements for AD and BC Has your calendar been changed personally? If so, no doubt you look at your life Before Christ and see yourself as a Neanderthal without Him.

3 Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying: 'On the tenth day of this month every man shall take for himself a lamb, according to the house of his father, a lamb for a household.
3.Speak to the whole community of Israel and say on the tenth of this month each of them shall take a lamb, a lamb to a household.
The net of salvation grows ever wider in Scripture. In Genesis 4, Abel offered a lamb for a man. Here in Exodus 12, the children of Israel were to offer a lamb for a family. In Exodus 29, the priests were to offer a lamb for a nation. And in John 1, we see a Lamb who came to be offered for the whole world.

4-5a And if the household is too small for the lamb, let him and his neighbor next to his house take it according to the number of the persons; according to each man's need you shall make your count for the lamb. Your lamb…
4-5a But if the household is too small for a lamb, let him share one with a neighbor who dwells nearby, in proportion to the number of persons: you shall contribute for the lamb according to what each household will eat. Your lamb…
In a lamb (v. 3), the lamb (v. 4), and your lamb (v. 5a), we see progressive revelation. Yes, Jesus is a Lamb. But He's more than a Lamb. He's not just one of the Great Teachers, the Great Masters. No, He's the Lamb. Yet He's more than that, for to be your Savior, He must be your Lamb.

5b …shall be without blemish…
5b …shall be without blemish…
"He's done nothing wrong," said the thief crucified next to Jesus (see Luke 23:41).
"Truly this must be the Son of God," said the Roman centurion (Matthew 27:54).
"I find no fault in Him," said Pontius Pilate as he washed his hands nervously (Luke 23:4).
"I've betrayed innocent blood," said Judas desperately (Matthew 27:4).
Jesus was indeed the Lamb without blemish.

5c …a male of the first year…
5c …a year-long…
"Of the first year" can also be translated "firstborn."

5d-6a …You may take it from the sheep or from the goats. Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month.
5d-6a …you may take it from the sheep or the goats. You shall keep watch over it until the fourteenth day of this month
A lamb was to be selected on the tenth day and slaughtered on the fourteenth day. The four days between the two, serving as a period of inspection to ensure that the lamb was not blemished or diseased. It was on the tenth of the month of Nissan that Jesus went into Jerusalem during His final week. For the following four days, the Pharisees, Sadducees, and His enemies would try to challenge Him theologically and attempt to trap Him ethically. But they were, to a man, unable to find any flaw in Him, for truly He is the spotless Lamb.

6b …Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight.
6 …and all the assembled congregation of the Israelites shall slaughter it at twilight.
One for each household, thousands of lambs would have been slaughtered, yet they are referred to as "it," as one because they point to the singular Lamb, Jesus, the Lamb of God.

7 And they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and on the lintel of the houses where they eat it.
7 They shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and the lintel of the houses where of the houses in which they are to eat it.
In verse 22, we read that the blood was to be applied with hyssop, a plant that speaks of humility. A person doesn't get saved until he's humble before God, until he realizes he's a sinner.

8a Then they shall eat the flesh on that night…
8a They shall eat the flesh that same night…
Confused by His words, it was after Jesus said, "If you do not eat of My body, you have no life in you," that many followed Him no more (John 6:66). This side of the Resurrection, we understand that we have to absorb, to assimilate Jesus into our lives, to allow Him to rule and reign from within—a principle of which Passover then and Communion now are pictures.

8b …roasted in fire…
8b …they shall eat it roasted over fire…
The lamb was roasted with fire as a picture of the fact that, as Jesus hung on the Cross, God hurled upon His Son the fire of His wrath that He should have hurled upon me.

8c …with unleavened bread…
8d … with Unleavened Bread…
Not only is leaven a picture of the sin which was completely absent from our Lord—but the unleavened bread eaten at Passover to this day is poked and striped, just as the back of Jesus was striped by the flagellum (Isaiah 53:5) and His side pierced with a spear (John 19:34).

8d-9a …and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. Do not eat it raw, nor boiled at all with water…
8d-9a …and with bitter herbs. Do not eat any of it raw, or cooked in any way with water…
Choosing to absorb the full blow of His Father's fury, Jesus refused the vinegar offered to Him as a painkiller on the Cross. Therefore, the bitter herbs of Passover were not to be watered down.

9b …but roasted in fire--its head with its legs and its entrails.
9b …but roasted-head legs, and entrails-over fire.
The "entrails" speaking of the insides, we're to feed on Jesus' mind, walk, and heart. We're to know what He said, to see how He walked practically, to feel His heart. And, in turn, we're to love Him with all our heart, soul, mind and strength (Mark 12:30).

10 You shall let none of it remain until morning, and what remains of it until morning you shall burn with fire.
10 You shall not leave any of it over until morning; if any of it is left until morning, you shall burn it.
The children of Israel were to eat the Passover lamb in one sitting. They weren't to save any for leftovers. So, when Jesus died on the Cross, He didn't say, "To be continued..." He said, "It is finished." There is nothing left to be accomplished. The work is complete.

11 And thus you shall eat it: with a belt on your waist, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand. So you shall eat it in haste. It is the LORD'S Passover.
11 This is how you shall eat it: your loins guarded, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and you shall eat of it hurriedly: it is a passover offering to the Lord.
Just as the children of Israel were to partake of the Passover in a posture of being ready to go, in 1 Corinthians 11, Paul says in observing Communion, we show the Lord's death until He comes. In other words, the Communion Table, like the Passover meal, is not to be simply about absorbing the Lamb and appropriating the blood—but to realize the time is at hand when He will come back, when we'll move on, when we'll at last partake of the marriage feast of the Lamb with Him in eternity.

12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt on that night, and will strike all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.
12 For that night I will go through the land of Egypt and strike down every first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and I will mete out punishments to all the gods of Egypt, I the Lord.
After declaring He would pass through the land and smite the firstborn of man and beast, God gives this reason: "I am the Lord." And that's all the reason He needs.

13 Now the blood shall be a sign for you on the houses where you are. And when I see the blood, I will pass over you; and the plague shall not be on you to destroy you when I strike the land of Egypt.
13 And the blood on the houses where you are staying shall be a sign for you: when I see the bloodI will Passover you, so that no that no plague will destroy you when I strike the land of Egypt.
It wasn't the expense of the house nor the righteousness of the people within the house which mattered. The only issue was the blood applied to the house. The shed blood was not enough to save their families. The children of Israel had to apply the blood to the doorposts of their own homes.

"Behold, I stand at the door and knock," Jesus said. "If any man hear My voice and open the door, I will come in to him and sup with him and he with Me" (Revelation 3:20). As the blood needed to be applied to the doorposts individually, so each man must open the door to his own heart personally.

14 So this day shall be to you a memorial; and you shall keep it as a feast to the LORD throughout your generations. You shall keep it as a feast by an everlasting ordinance.
14 This day shall be to you one of remembrance: you shall celebrate it as a festival to the Lord throughout the ages ; you shall; you shall celebrate it as an institution for all time.
15 Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall remove leaven from your houses. For whoever eats leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel.
16 On the first day there shall be a holy convocation, and on the seventh day there shall be a holy convocation for you. No manner of work shall be done on them; but that which everyone must eat--that only may be prepared by you.
17 So you shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread, for on this same day I will have brought your armies out of the land of Egypt. Therefore you shall observe this day throughout your generations as an everlasting ordinance.
Passover was celebrated on the fourteenth day of the month. The following day, a seven-day celebration began called the Feast of Unleavened Bread. In the middle of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, a third feast began, which was the Feast of Firstfruits (Leviticus 23). Together, these three feasts paint a perfect prophetic picture. Yes, Jesus died on Passover. But was He truly without blemish, without leaven, without sin? His Resurrection answers that question with a resounding, "Yes!" And not only that, but the fact that He rose on the Feast of Firstfruits means that He is only the first One to do so—that we will follow. Oh, happy day that will be!

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

You claimed that you get your sources from the Hebrew scriptures, but cloud it up with the Greek/Roman bible.

You didn't exclusively use the Tanakh, because you can't.

And I bet that you don't keep any of the God given perpetual holy days.

And unfortunately you know absolutely nothing about what you cut and paste.

Nice try, but you're forcing together two different religion's.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

The verses that are not in RED are DIRECTLY from your post so I would assume that they were from the Hebrew Bible. I wanted to show you that you can use either the one I use or the one you use without losing context.

Rose42

Even Jewish scholars aren’t in agreement on everything and there are Jews who have accepted Christ who were brought up in the traditional Jewish faith and who are more well versed in the OT.

If you disregard the NT to begin with then nothing anyone says will be acceptable.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

With all due respect.

One thing that you are quite mistaken on.

I used to preach the Christian gospel fervently.

I know the new Testament better than the original because Christianity constantly moves away from the Jewish faith that God gave even to the nations as a everlasting and unwavering institution.

So I am in a constant state of learning about how God never changed and he won't.

All throughout history the Israelites have followed pagan gods.

So just because they understand (as you have previously stated) Hebrew in no way automatically proves their understanding of what God repeatedly warned them not to do.

Those Jews will have to repent of idolatry before their redemption.

All throughout the Tanakh Israel is warned and admonished to follow the one true God.

Rose42

You might have understood it intellectually but intellectual assent is not true belief. That is why you left. That is why Charles Templeton, Bart Ehrman (sp) and others left. Outward signs are not inward change. Peter and Judas both denied Christ. Only Peter repented. Judas was never a believer.

God hasn’t changed in Christianity nor is Christianity idolatry. That is the perspective of those who reject Christ.

Christianity doesn’t move though man tries to move it. He can’t. That being said no one has it 100% right. No one has 100% of the bible right either.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Putting people in Greek philosophical categories doesn't cover my personal journey .

I'm not an over-educated theology professional like Templeton or Ehrman, I read commentaries and others research, but much of the Bible can be understood by reading a whole book, not just reading a good portion of it...and here's a good tip for any student.

If we don't get it, read it again and find everywhere the subject is talked about in Scripture.

I don't see how people can read that God gave eternal commandments in a huge display of power, and then mysteriously changed to pagan theology in the end.

I don't understand how Christians can keep days as holy, especially Easter and say that an ancient fertility party, with a egg laying rabbit is solemn and righteous worship of God.

Look up the origins of Easter and Christmas and all of the pagan symbolism.

It doesn't even take much time to look at how and when paganism combined with Christianity.

Some emperors tried to stop what they understood as paganism, but in my search, I found that paganism has permeated the Catholic and Protestant.

The old saying that you can tell a lot about someone by the company they keep.

I'll say that you can identify a person's religious beliefs by the days and traditions
they hold and keep as godly.

People just seem to shrug it off or possibly counting on the blood of Jesus to keep them clean, I guess?

Did you know that the holy spirit was permanently instituted as a being within the Trinity in 380-1CE by Theodosius 1 .?

It had been a point of contention even after Constantine gave his edict at the council of Nicea...no offense, just a tidbit.

Rose42

Because there was no change to pagan theology. Your opinion is not fact.



Because they don’t.



I know the origins. The difference is the intent in worship. You are making no headway on this subject.



You’re mixing up Catholicism with Christianity. Again.



Not everywhere. And not as much as rejection of the Savior permeates society.



And you would be wrong. I find it sad you let one book lead you astray

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

You might say that "one" book is cause for confusion.

But one thing that hasn't plagued the Jews....is who God is and who is not God.

Isaiah 46: 9..Remember the former things of old; for I am God and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me.

The Christian bible has been a great point of contention on that subject of who is and isn't God, since it's inception