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May 3, 2021 16:34:16   #
AmericanEagle Loc: Indiana
 
You were right that long thread was total BS and laughable! Awls you have to do is look at Democrats drunk on power skirting the laws and Constitution and using a p******c to take our rights away to try to get us to be government dependent. They’re crushing small businesses open people more than they make it work to stay at home.
Talk about extremist why don’t you look at George Soros and follow the money? He is funny groups that Ryan everywhere and B*M is nothing more than a d******c t*******t organization! I have cost United States well over $1 billion in crime rates have gone up exponentially where they are. If black people want our respect they would stop this terrorist organization and tell them not in our city! They need to take accountability for their own race at least probably the 5% or so that are actually the problem that don’t want to work. Unfortunately there’s a lot of dumb white people that fall for this bulls**t narrative to and are the blame as well because America is not inherently r****t as they would have us believe a long with the Democrats and the liberal media!
Remember several years back on the government was buying up all the ammunition? Why did the post office need it, teachers union need it and other government entities? People thought Donald Trump would be an egomaniac and just think if he had a fence and armed military personnel around the White House like Biden does! All of his policies if employment would crush America and that’s why the fence will probably be up all four years to prevent a true uprising for capital i**********n by George Soros funded lunatics blending in as Trump supporters!

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May 3, 2021 17:37:24   #
martsiva
 
rumitoid wrote:
You are right, in a way. The lawlessness and destruction in the supposed name of social justice was disgraceful. Yet attempting to o*******w the government by the Right is a lot different than looking for justice in our system. I am not excusing the violence of the B*M, it was really upsetting and undermining to their cause. But their cause is righteous, not like the r****rs.


'Their cause is righteous'??? Say what??? They are an ADMITTED Marxist c*******t group!!! Just how much have they helped the black community when one of it`s leaders spends a million dollars for a house instead of using that money to help the black community??? I can`t believe you actually made that comment!!!

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May 3, 2021 18:39:17   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
FallenOak wrote:
I read your writing. Then I read the writing of the article you referred to. As I read I suddenly realized the the article was from a news company calling themselves Yahoo. Yahoo is a term describing crude, dirty brutes. Yahoos are irrational people and represent the worst side of humanity. Are you certain you want me to believe anything written by a news company that identifies themselves in that manner? Of course, if you opt to believe crude, dirty brutes that is your choice.



Yahoo does not write the news. Yahoo is a clearing house for up to the minute news which they pay for.
Just a clearinghouse like nbc cbs cnn.
They don’t write the news, do your attacks on a news clearinghouse are unfounded.
That same news goes out through the country’s radio and tv and internet.
It’s not only yahoo news.
Faux Nouse will never purchase the same news as yahoo. I think they have their own deep state sources.
Like Arizona cyber criminals continuing to commit e******n f***d.

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May 3, 2021 19:10:26   #
Gman65
 
DaWg44 wrote:
I think Rumi has finally gone round the bend. There is not a single thing righteous about b*m, a****a, or the liberal/l*****t/c*******t Congress, President, Vice President, Supreme Court. Apparently, he has come up with a new definition of righteous, one you & I would not be able to understand.


Nothing that remotely even resembles righteous.

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May 3, 2021 19:56:27   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
rumitoid wrote:
(The Far Right isn't far anymore, sort of snugly with the Republican Party. At the very least dating. The Capitol R**t, incited by our former president and many others on the Right, was a clarion call of the emerging anti-government extremist. With that the nation is formally divided and I think our fate is sealed to become an autocracy, like Trump's bromance Putin. The eroding nuttiness of v***r f***d is tremendously deleterious to the structure of our Republic, and that so many of Legislators in the GOP keeps backing a s****n e******n, undermining our democratic process of v****g.)

They robbed an armored car outside a sprawling Seattle shopping mall.

They bombed a synagogue in Boise, Idaho, and within weeks assassinated a Jewish talk radio host in Denver.

Then a month later, they plundered another armored car on a California highway in a spectacular daylight heist that netted more than $3.6 million.

What initially seemed to FBI agents like distant, disparate crimes turned out to be the opening salvos in a war against the federal government by members of a violent extremist group called the Order, who sought to establish a w****s-only homeland out West.

Their crime spree played out in 1984. Fast forward to 2021. Federal agents and prosecutors who dismantled the Order see troubling echoes of its threat to democracy in the Capitol r**t and the growing extremist activity across the country.

“When you see the country as politically and philosophically divided as it is today, that makes it more likely that somebody could take advantage of these times to bring about another revolutionary concept like the Order,” said Wayne Manis, the main FBI agent on the case. “We stopped the Order. We did not stop the ideology.”

Those who tracked the group say the legacy of the Order can be seen in the prominent role that far-right organizations like the P***d B**s and the O**h K****rs played in storming the Capitol on J*** 6.

“Many of the participants of these groups today come from the same sources as the Order,” said Gene Wilson, the lead prosecutor, who went on to become a U.S. magistrate judge in Seattle before switching to private practice. “I think they might be just as committed to totally changing democracy as we know it.”

The men who played central roles in disbanding the Order still consider it the most important case of their lives. Given the Order’s “potential for violence and destruction,” said Manis, no other domestic group posed a similar threat to the United States.

The Order collapsed after its charismatic leader, Robert Jay Mathews, died in a fiery shootout with scores of FBI agents on Whidbey Island, Washington, in December 1984. His followers were rounded up in a nationwide manhunt, and 23 of them faced trial on racketeering charges involving two murders, robberies that netted more than $4 million, counterfeiting, weapons violations and arson. Sentenced to lengthy terms ranging up to 252 years, most of the core members died in jail.

Far-right groups often express anti-government ideology or espouse ideas about returning the United States to some imagined, idyllic form of constitutional rule. What made the Order so dangerous was that it set about achieving that goal, k*****g, robbing and planning spectacular terrorist acts in hopes of toppling the government.

Just before federal agents closed in, its members had been figuring out how to sabotage the power grid in Los Angeles, hoping to incite r**ts and l**ting. Men affiliated with the Order had also surveyed the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City as a target, which helped to inspire Timothy McVeigh to blow it up in April 1995, k*****g 168 people in the worst homegrown terrorist attack in U.S. history.

The First Amendment means that people cannot be prosecuted on the basis of ideology alone, so the hurdle is figuring out which secretive individual or group, whether far-right or far-left, might be turning to violence. The dangerous core bent on violence is usually only 5% to 10% of an extremist organization, agents said.

Mathews, raised among w***e s*********ts, organized a heavily armed, clandestine guerrilla force designed to spark a civil war. Adherents sought to restore America to its imagined origins and considered preserving the “green graves” of their white forefathers a sacred duty. To join, members stepped into a wide candlelit circle formed around a white infant and pledged to fight, in secret and without fear of death, to make the United States an Aryan nation.

Far-right groups have evolved since the days of the Order. In some ways they are broader and more loosely affiliated, given the use of the internet, and mainstream politics has opened the door to some of their ideas. A key question today is whether adherents of extremist groups might seek elected office or whether the heavily disputed p**********l v**e soured them on politics.

“Do they want armed revolution and race war, or are they seeking to enter politics?” said Kathleen Belew, whose book, “Bring the War Home,” covered the history of the Order. “Do they want to burn it down, or do they want to take over?”

The Order sought to burn it down. A key takeaway was how much time it took federal authorities to recognize the significant threat, Manis and others said. Law enforcement agents, focused on more visible, outspoken groups, were initially blind to the level of organization behind the Order.

In northern Idaho in the 1980s, the public face of the far-right was the Aryan Nations compound near Hayden Lake, a gathering of w***e s*********ts and neo-N**is collected around the Church of Jesus Christ Christian, part of the Christian Identity movement. Its pastor, Richard Girnt Butler, preached that the United States must be restored as a white nation for the second coming of Christ to occur.

Then, as now, adherents of extremist groups were mainly white men. “They were undereducated or poorly educated, underemployed, unsuccessful in wh**ever they were trying to do workwise,” Wilson said. “They were seeking relevance and status, a meaning for their lives, and looking for somebody readily identifiable to blame. They blamed minority groups for their problems.”

They railed against immigrants coming to destroy the country and against the elites in what they called the “Z*****t Occupied Government,” whom they accused of abetting such threatening changes for cheap labor, among other reasons.

Expressing those sentiments, protected by the First Amendment, was insufficient cause to begin an investigation. And many of the members did not particularly stand out in northern Idaho, given that residents p***e themselves on rugged individualism.

Peter Robinson, who helped to prosecute the case as an assistant U.S. attorney, said the defendants struck him as completely ordinary — up to a point.

“I had the impression that these were normal guys who you could have a beer with in a bar and you would not notice anything unusual about them — unless you talked about race or about Jews,” said Robinson, now an international criminal defense lawyer.

At first agents were clueless that the Order even existed.

An undersheriff with his ear to the ground voiced his suspicions to Manis that a local gang was behind a spate of relatively small, unsolved robberies, prompting a standard investigation that mushroomed throughout 1984 into a major national operation.

One big break came when a man arrested in Pennsylvania for trying to pass counterfeit bills revealed that Mathews had founded the Order in the Pacific Northwest to undermine the U.S. government, including its currency. “That was like reading a mystery novel, and you turn the page, and it tells you who the k**ler is,” Manis said.

Then a search warrant unearthed a truly damning piece of evidence: the MAC-10 semi-automatic gun used to assassinate Alan Berg, the talk radio host who drew the ire of the group by repeatedly insulting far-right adherents on air. The k*****g introduced an element of mystical zeal because the gun jammed after the 13th round, interpreted by Order members as a sign that their plan to restore the United States to its origins when it was just 13 states would succeed, according to a history of the group called “The Silent Brotherhood.”

With the robberies that were the initial focus of the group’s efforts, Mathews worked toward a general uprising, dispensing the money to extremist groups nationwide to buy weapons and other matériel. He hoped his war chest would serve to bind them together, with a wave of violence forcing the U.S. government to cede Washington, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Colorado as an initial white homeland.

The men who disbanded the Order believe that any contemporary group with similarly dangerous aspirations would also likely be hidden. Members of the Order shunned publicity to concentrate on crime. “Everything that they did was covert,” said Tom McDaniel, a former FBI agent who moved to Montana in 1984 to pursue the case and never left.

It was only when the FBI agents were closing in on Mathews in November 1984 that he issued a declaration of war. Part of the declaration threatened to k**l politicians in Congress: “When the day comes, we will not ask whether you swung to the right or swung to the left; we will simply swing you by your neck.”

The wording came from a tract published by the National Alliance, a far-right organization run by William Luther Pierce, author of “The Turner Diaries,” a dystopian novel that imagines a w***e s*********t underground that takes over the United States and eventually the world.

Although the motivations are related, there is plenty that separates groups active now from those that operated in the past. Far-right organizations once needed to engage with possible recruits in person; now much of that radicalization occurs online. They can connect, scheme and even act through the internet. It was also unthinkable that any high-profile politician would voice opinions that such groups considered encouragement. Now those words have come from a former president.

Former agents viewed the Capitol r**t and last year’s protests over social justice issues as possible seeds for radicalization.

“I feel that if there is an organization today from the extreme right that is following in the footsteps of the Order,” Manis said, “you will not know anything about it until it is too late and they have already done something dastardly.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/past-chilling-warning-extremists-present-151112883.html
(The Far Right isn't far anymore, sort of snugly w... (show quote)


I think the "fight" for w***e s*******y is a constant threat in this country and what appears to be a "rise" is really more like an "exposure". What happens is they hide when they think the world is against them but when someone like Trump comes along they get more courageous because they hear a U.S. president talking their language. Trump never publicly endorsed w***e s*******y but his resounding silence at times where any decent leader would have said something is really all they needed.

One could say that Trump didn't actually tell people to attack the capitol either but I think it's a solid argument that says if Trump wasn't the 2020 loser, that scene would not have happened.

We should not expect the r****ts to disappear. Biden won't give them any validation but their hatred will still fester. Like the Order, they may choose to operate covertly as terrorists. It's actually amazing what the w***e s*********t terrorist has in common with the Muslim terrorist. They both want to return their homelands to what they think is a "pure" state and they're willing to achieve that violently.

The only difference is the Muslim terrorists are way more badass.

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May 3, 2021 20:41:42   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Milosia2 wrote:
A****a ?
There’s no such thing as the boogie man.but,
Leave your lights on,
Cause there’s monsters under your bed,
Monsters....


LOL... I know, right?

A****a is a word that was given to a fad. Kids started wearing black hoodies and showing up at these f*****t rallies to display their opposition. It's not a new thing. Me and some of my friends used to do the same thing back in the 80's. It was never organized, just kids responding to the promotion of bigotry.

Apparently, there's been a few incidents where some a****a kids beat the crap out of some N**is and all of a sudden they've become the "left-wing terrorist organization" conservatives always wanted. They even created f**e "A****a" websites to make the lie more convincing.

So now you can pick on any of a number of right-wing groups officially designated as "terrorist organizations" by the State Department and the response from conservatives (for some reason) is to point to "A****a" as if the s**ttyness of racial violence is somehow OK as long as the left has... "A****a".

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May 3, 2021 20:58:12   #
teabag09
 
rumitoid wrote:
(The Far Right isn't far anymore, sort of snugly with the Republican Party. At the very least dating. The Capitol R**t, incited by our former president and many others on the Right, was a clarion call of the emerging anti-government extremist. With that the nation is formally divided and I think our fate is sealed to become an autocracy, like Trump's bromance Putin. The eroding nuttiness of v***r f***d is tremendously deleterious to the structure of our Republic, and that so many of Legislators in the GOP keeps backing a s****n e******n, undermining our democratic process of v****g.)

They robbed an armored car outside a sprawling Seattle shopping mall.

They bombed a synagogue in Boise, Idaho, and within weeks assassinated a Jewish talk radio host in Denver.

Then a month later, they plundered another armored car on a California highway in a spectacular daylight heist that netted more than $3.6 million.

What initially seemed to FBI agents like distant, disparate crimes turned out to be the opening salvos in a war against the federal government by members of a violent extremist group called the Order, who sought to establish a w****s-only homeland out West.

Their crime spree played out in 1984. Fast forward to 2021. Federal agents and prosecutors who dismantled the Order see troubling echoes of its threat to democracy in the Capitol r**t and the growing extremist activity across the country.

“When you see the country as politically and philosophically divided as it is today, that makes it more likely that somebody could take advantage of these times to bring about another revolutionary concept like the Order,” said Wayne Manis, the main FBI agent on the case. “We stopped the Order. We did not stop the ideology.”

Those who tracked the group say the legacy of the Order can be seen in the prominent role that far-right organizations like the P***d B**s and the O**h K****rs played in storming the Capitol on J*** 6.

“Many of the participants of these groups today come from the same sources as the Order,” said Gene Wilson, the lead prosecutor, who went on to become a U.S. magistrate judge in Seattle before switching to private practice. “I think they might be just as committed to totally changing democracy as we know it.”

The men who played central roles in disbanding the Order still consider it the most important case of their lives. Given the Order’s “potential for violence and destruction,” said Manis, no other domestic group posed a similar threat to the United States.

The Order collapsed after its charismatic leader, Robert Jay Mathews, died in a fiery shootout with scores of FBI agents on Whidbey Island, Washington, in December 1984. His followers were rounded up in a nationwide manhunt, and 23 of them faced trial on racketeering charges involving two murders, robberies that netted more than $4 million, counterfeiting, weapons violations and arson. Sentenced to lengthy terms ranging up to 252 years, most of the core members died in jail.

Far-right groups often express anti-government ideology or espouse ideas about returning the United States to some imagined, idyllic form of constitutional rule. What made the Order so dangerous was that it set about achieving that goal, k*****g, robbing and planning spectacular terrorist acts in hopes of toppling the government.

Just before federal agents closed in, its members had been figuring out how to sabotage the power grid in Los Angeles, hoping to incite r**ts and l**ting. Men affiliated with the Order had also surveyed the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City as a target, which helped to inspire Timothy McVeigh to blow it up in April 1995, k*****g 168 people in the worst homegrown terrorist attack in U.S. history.

The First Amendment means that people cannot be prosecuted on the basis of ideology alone, so the hurdle is figuring out which secretive individual or group, whether far-right or far-left, might be turning to violence. The dangerous core bent on violence is usually only 5% to 10% of an extremist organization, agents said.

Mathews, raised among w***e s*********ts, organized a heavily armed, clandestine guerrilla force designed to spark a civil war. Adherents sought to restore America to its imagined origins and considered preserving the “green graves” of their white forefathers a sacred duty. To join, members stepped into a wide candlelit circle formed around a white infant and pledged to fight, in secret and without fear of death, to make the United States an Aryan nation.

Far-right groups have evolved since the days of the Order. In some ways they are broader and more loosely affiliated, given the use of the internet, and mainstream politics has opened the door to some of their ideas. A key question today is whether adherents of extremist groups might seek elected office or whether the heavily disputed p**********l v**e soured them on politics.

“Do they want armed revolution and race war, or are they seeking to enter politics?” said Kathleen Belew, whose book, “Bring the War Home,” covered the history of the Order. “Do they want to burn it down, or do they want to take over?”

The Order sought to burn it down. A key takeaway was how much time it took federal authorities to recognize the significant threat, Manis and others said. Law enforcement agents, focused on more visible, outspoken groups, were initially blind to the level of organization behind the Order.

In northern Idaho in the 1980s, the public face of the far-right was the Aryan Nations compound near Hayden Lake, a gathering of w***e s*********ts and neo-N**is collected around the Church of Jesus Christ Christian, part of the Christian Identity movement. Its pastor, Richard Girnt Butler, preached that the United States must be restored as a white nation for the second coming of Christ to occur.

Then, as now, adherents of extremist groups were mainly white men. “They were undereducated or poorly educated, underemployed, unsuccessful in wh**ever they were trying to do workwise,” Wilson said. “They were seeking relevance and status, a meaning for their lives, and looking for somebody readily identifiable to blame. They blamed minority groups for their problems.”

They railed against immigrants coming to destroy the country and against the elites in what they called the “Z*****t Occupied Government,” whom they accused of abetting such threatening changes for cheap labor, among other reasons.

Expressing those sentiments, protected by the First Amendment, was insufficient cause to begin an investigation. And many of the members did not particularly stand out in northern Idaho, given that residents p***e themselves on rugged individualism.

Peter Robinson, who helped to prosecute the case as an assistant U.S. attorney, said the defendants struck him as completely ordinary — up to a point.

“I had the impression that these were normal guys who you could have a beer with in a bar and you would not notice anything unusual about them — unless you talked about race or about Jews,” said Robinson, now an international criminal defense lawyer.

At first agents were clueless that the Order even existed.

An undersheriff with his ear to the ground voiced his suspicions to Manis that a local gang was behind a spate of relatively small, unsolved robberies, prompting a standard investigation that mushroomed throughout 1984 into a major national operation.

One big break came when a man arrested in Pennsylvania for trying to pass counterfeit bills revealed that Mathews had founded the Order in the Pacific Northwest to undermine the U.S. government, including its currency. “That was like reading a mystery novel, and you turn the page, and it tells you who the k**ler is,” Manis said.

Then a search warrant unearthed a truly damning piece of evidence: the MAC-10 semi-automatic gun used to assassinate Alan Berg, the talk radio host who drew the ire of the group by repeatedly insulting far-right adherents on air. The k*****g introduced an element of mystical zeal because the gun jammed after the 13th round, interpreted by Order members as a sign that their plan to restore the United States to its origins when it was just 13 states would succeed, according to a history of the group called “The Silent Brotherhood.”

With the robberies that were the initial focus of the group’s efforts, Mathews worked toward a general uprising, dispensing the money to extremist groups nationwide to buy weapons and other matériel. He hoped his war chest would serve to bind them together, with a wave of violence forcing the U.S. government to cede Washington, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Colorado as an initial white homeland.

The men who disbanded the Order believe that any contemporary group with similarly dangerous aspirations would also likely be hidden. Members of the Order shunned publicity to concentrate on crime. “Everything that they did was covert,” said Tom McDaniel, a former FBI agent who moved to Montana in 1984 to pursue the case and never left.

It was only when the FBI agents were closing in on Mathews in November 1984 that he issued a declaration of war. Part of the declaration threatened to k**l politicians in Congress: “When the day comes, we will not ask whether you swung to the right or swung to the left; we will simply swing you by your neck.”

The wording came from a tract published by the National Alliance, a far-right organization run by William Luther Pierce, author of “The Turner Diaries,” a dystopian novel that imagines a w***e s*********t underground that takes over the United States and eventually the world.

Although the motivations are related, there is plenty that separates groups active now from those that operated in the past. Far-right organizations once needed to engage with possible recruits in person; now much of that radicalization occurs online. They can connect, scheme and even act through the internet. It was also unthinkable that any high-profile politician would voice opinions that such groups considered encouragement. Now those words have come from a former president.

Former agents viewed the Capitol r**t and last year’s protests over social justice issues as possible seeds for radicalization.

“I feel that if there is an organization today from the extreme right that is following in the footsteps of the Order,” Manis said, “you will not know anything about it until it is too late and they have already done something dastardly.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/past-chilling-warning-extremists-present-151112883.html
(The Far Right isn't far anymore, sort of snugly w... (show quote)


Rumi, they and you aren't a threat to me or mine as we have a way to deal with them or you should either confront us. Unfortunately it'll be up to others to pick ya'll up off of the street because we'll just leave ya'll lying there. Mike

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May 3, 2021 21:03:20   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
rumitoid wrote:
(The Far Right isn't far anymore, sort of snugly with the Republican Party. At the very least dating. The Capitol R**t, incited by our former president and many others on the Right, was a clarion call of the emerging anti-government extremist. With that the nation is formally divided and I think our fate is sealed to become an autocracy, like Trump's bromance Putin. The eroding nuttiness of v***r f***d is tremendously deleterious to the structure of our Republic, and that so many of Legislators in the GOP keeps backing a s****n e******n, undermining our democratic process of v****g.)

They robbed an armored car outside a sprawling Seattle shopping mall.

They bombed a synagogue in Boise, Idaho, and within weeks assassinated a Jewish talk radio host in Denver.

Then a month later, they plundered another armored car on a California highway in a spectacular daylight heist that netted more than $3.6 million.

What initially seemed to FBI agents like distant, disparate crimes turned out to be the opening salvos in a war against the federal government by members of a violent extremist group called the Order, who sought to establish a w****s-only homeland out West.

Their crime spree played out in 1984. Fast forward to 2021. Federal agents and prosecutors who dismantled the Order see troubling echoes of its threat to democracy in the Capitol r**t and the growing extremist activity across the country.

“When you see the country as politically and philosophically divided as it is today, that makes it more likely that somebody could take advantage of these times to bring about another revolutionary concept like the Order,” said Wayne Manis, the main FBI agent on the case. “We stopped the Order. We did not stop the ideology.”

Those who tracked the group say the legacy of the Order can be seen in the prominent role that far-right organizations like the P***d B**s and the O**h K****rs played in storming the Capitol on J*** 6.

“Many of the participants of these groups today come from the same sources as the Order,” said Gene Wilson, the lead prosecutor, who went on to become a U.S. magistrate judge in Seattle before switching to private practice. “I think they might be just as committed to totally changing democracy as we know it.”

The men who played central roles in disbanding the Order still consider it the most important case of their lives. Given the Order’s “potential for violence and destruction,” said Manis, no other domestic group posed a similar threat to the United States.

The Order collapsed after its charismatic leader, Robert Jay Mathews, died in a fiery shootout with scores of FBI agents on Whidbey Island, Washington, in December 1984. His followers were rounded up in a nationwide manhunt, and 23 of them faced trial on racketeering charges involving two murders, robberies that netted more than $4 million, counterfeiting, weapons violations and arson. Sentenced to lengthy terms ranging up to 252 years, most of the core members died in jail.

Far-right groups often express anti-government ideology or espouse ideas about returning the United States to some imagined, idyllic form of constitutional rule. What made the Order so dangerous was that it set about achieving that goal, k*****g, robbing and planning spectacular terrorist acts in hopes of toppling the government.

Just before federal agents closed in, its members had been figuring out how to sabotage the power grid in Los Angeles, hoping to incite r**ts and l**ting. Men affiliated with the Order had also surveyed the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City as a target, which helped to inspire Timothy McVeigh to blow it up in April 1995, k*****g 168 people in the worst homegrown terrorist attack in U.S. history.

The First Amendment means that people cannot be prosecuted on the basis of ideology alone, so the hurdle is figuring out which secretive individual or group, whether far-right or far-left, might be turning to violence. The dangerous core bent on violence is usually only 5% to 10% of an extremist organization, agents said.

Mathews, raised among w***e s*********ts, organized a heavily armed, clandestine guerrilla force designed to spark a civil war. Adherents sought to restore America to its imagined origins and considered preserving the “green graves” of their white forefathers a sacred duty. To join, members stepped into a wide candlelit circle formed around a white infant and pledged to fight, in secret and without fear of death, to make the United States an Aryan nation.

Far-right groups have evolved since the days of the Order. In some ways they are broader and more loosely affiliated, given the use of the internet, and mainstream politics has opened the door to some of their ideas. A key question today is whether adherents of extremist groups might seek elected office or whether the heavily disputed p**********l v**e soured them on politics.

“Do they want armed revolution and race war, or are they seeking to enter politics?” said Kathleen Belew, whose book, “Bring the War Home,” covered the history of the Order. “Do they want to burn it down, or do they want to take over?”

The Order sought to burn it down. A key takeaway was how much time it took federal authorities to recognize the significant threat, Manis and others said. Law enforcement agents, focused on more visible, outspoken groups, were initially blind to the level of organization behind the Order.

In northern Idaho in the 1980s, the public face of the far-right was the Aryan Nations compound near Hayden Lake, a gathering of w***e s*********ts and neo-N**is collected around the Church of Jesus Christ Christian, part of the Christian Identity movement. Its pastor, Richard Girnt Butler, preached that the United States must be restored as a white nation for the second coming of Christ to occur.

Then, as now, adherents of extremist groups were mainly white men. “They were undereducated or poorly educated, underemployed, unsuccessful in wh**ever they were trying to do workwise,” Wilson said. “They were seeking relevance and status, a meaning for their lives, and looking for somebody readily identifiable to blame. They blamed minority groups for their problems.”

They railed against immigrants coming to destroy the country and against the elites in what they called the “Z*****t Occupied Government,” whom they accused of abetting such threatening changes for cheap labor, among other reasons.

Expressing those sentiments, protected by the First Amendment, was insufficient cause to begin an investigation. And many of the members did not particularly stand out in northern Idaho, given that residents p***e themselves on rugged individualism.

Peter Robinson, who helped to prosecute the case as an assistant U.S. attorney, said the defendants struck him as completely ordinary — up to a point.

“I had the impression that these were normal guys who you could have a beer with in a bar and you would not notice anything unusual about them — unless you talked about race or about Jews,” said Robinson, now an international criminal defense lawyer.

At first agents were clueless that the Order even existed.

An undersheriff with his ear to the ground voiced his suspicions to Manis that a local gang was behind a spate of relatively small, unsolved robberies, prompting a standard investigation that mushroomed throughout 1984 into a major national operation.

One big break came when a man arrested in Pennsylvania for trying to pass counterfeit bills revealed that Mathews had founded the Order in the Pacific Northwest to undermine the U.S. government, including its currency. “That was like reading a mystery novel, and you turn the page, and it tells you who the k**ler is,” Manis said.

Then a search warrant unearthed a truly damning piece of evidence: the MAC-10 semi-automatic gun used to assassinate Alan Berg, the talk radio host who drew the ire of the group by repeatedly insulting far-right adherents on air. The k*****g introduced an element of mystical zeal because the gun jammed after the 13th round, interpreted by Order members as a sign that their plan to restore the United States to its origins when it was just 13 states would succeed, according to a history of the group called “The Silent Brotherhood.”

With the robberies that were the initial focus of the group’s efforts, Mathews worked toward a general uprising, dispensing the money to extremist groups nationwide to buy weapons and other matériel. He hoped his war chest would serve to bind them together, with a wave of violence forcing the U.S. government to cede Washington, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Colorado as an initial white homeland.

The men who disbanded the Order believe that any contemporary group with similarly dangerous aspirations would also likely be hidden. Members of the Order shunned publicity to concentrate on crime. “Everything that they did was covert,” said Tom McDaniel, a former FBI agent who moved to Montana in 1984 to pursue the case and never left.

It was only when the FBI agents were closing in on Mathews in November 1984 that he issued a declaration of war. Part of the declaration threatened to k**l politicians in Congress: “When the day comes, we will not ask whether you swung to the right or swung to the left; we will simply swing you by your neck.”

The wording came from a tract published by the National Alliance, a far-right organization run by William Luther Pierce, author of “The Turner Diaries,” a dystopian novel that imagines a w***e s*********t underground that takes over the United States and eventually the world.

Although the motivations are related, there is plenty that separates groups active now from those that operated in the past. Far-right organizations once needed to engage with possible recruits in person; now much of that radicalization occurs online. They can connect, scheme and even act through the internet. It was also unthinkable that any high-profile politician would voice opinions that such groups considered encouragement. Now those words have come from a former president.

Former agents viewed the Capitol r**t and last year’s protests over social justice issues as possible seeds for radicalization.

“I feel that if there is an organization today from the extreme right that is following in the footsteps of the Order,” Manis said, “you will not know anything about it until it is too late and they have already done something dastardly.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/past-chilling-warning-extremists-present-151112883.html
(The Far Right isn't far anymore, sort of snugly w... (show quote)


You obviously can't handle the t***h, soy boy. You should join the CIA fast. That way you can legally spy on me. Their now hiring dipsticks just like you, thanks to Biden. Dang, I miss Trump. It was nice having a POTUS who thought just like me, Wolf, and a few others, while it lasted. And I'm not apologizing or bowing to your radical ideas one inch. You're another poster child for what's wrong with our nation. I have five guns, pick one, or all five, and try and take it. I double-dog dare you.

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May 3, 2021 21:05:56   #
Hadenough
 
Milosia2 wrote:
A****a ?
There’s no such thing as the boogie man.but,
Leave your lights on,
Cause there’s monsters under your bed,
Monsters....


Milo,

Lol, look under your bed and turn your lights off, aren’t you into saving the world?
In your mind a****a doesn’t exist, they’re merely an ideology. Kind of like VW falsifying their emissions reports, oh that was okay they wanted unions. You had no response to that, you can run but you can’t hide.
The “boogie man” is hiding in your closet with your black hoodie, mask, pants, and your frozen water bottles, canned goods, rocks and skateboard you use as weapons.
Keep drinking that purple kool-aid, maybe the b*m founder will throw you some of the millions she’s made. Maybe you can clean her million dollar home or one of her other homes. You might reconsider working for VW, I’m sure she will pay good wages.

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May 3, 2021 21:28:59   #
fullspinzoo
 
rumitoid wrote:
(The Far Right isn't far anymore, sort of snugly with the Republican Party. At the very least dating. The Capitol R**t, incited by our former president and many others on the Right, was a clarion call of the emerging anti-government extremist. With that the nation is formally divided and I think our fate is sealed to become an autocracy, like Trump's bromance Putin. The eroding nuttiness of v***r f***d is tremendously deleterious to the structure of our Republic, and that so many of Legislators in the GOP keeps backing a s****n e******n, undermining our democratic process of v****g.)

They robbed an armored car outside a sprawling Seattle shopping mall.

They bombed a synagogue in Boise, Idaho, and within weeks assassinated a Jewish talk radio host in Denver.

Then a month later, they plundered another armored car on a California highway in a spectacular daylight heist that netted more than $3.6 million.

What initially seemed to FBI agents like distant, disparate crimes turned out to be the opening salvos in a war against the federal government by members of a violent extremist group called the Order, who sought to establish a w****s-only homeland out West.

Their crime spree played out in 1984. Fast forward to 2021. Federal agents and prosecutors who dismantled the Order see troubling echoes of its threat to democracy in the Capitol r**t and the growing extremist activity across the country.

“When you see the country as politically and philosophically divided as it is today, that makes it more likely that somebody could take advantage of these times to bring about another revolutionary concept like the Order,” said Wayne Manis, the main FBI agent on the case. “We stopped the Order. We did not stop the ideology.”

Those who tracked the group say the legacy of the Order can be seen in the prominent role that far-right organizations like the P***d B**s and the O**h K****rs played in storming the Capitol on J*** 6.

“Many of the participants of these groups today come from the same sources as the Order,” said Gene Wilson, the lead prosecutor, who went on to become a U.S. magistrate judge in Seattle before switching to private practice. “I think they might be just as committed to totally changing democracy as we know it.”

The men who played central roles in disbanding the Order still consider it the most important case of their lives. Given the Order’s “potential for violence and destruction,” said Manis, no other domestic group posed a similar threat to the United States.

The Order collapsed after its charismatic leader, Robert Jay Mathews, died in a fiery shootout with scores of FBI agents on Whidbey Island, Washington, in December 1984. His followers were rounded up in a nationwide manhunt, and 23 of them faced trial on racketeering charges involving two murders, robberies that netted more than $4 million, counterfeiting, weapons violations and arson. Sentenced to lengthy terms ranging up to 252 years, most of the core members died in jail.

Far-right groups often express anti-government ideology or espouse ideas about returning the United States to some imagined, idyllic form of constitutional rule. What made the Order so dangerous was that it set about achieving that goal, k*****g, robbing and planning spectacular terrorist acts in hopes of toppling the government.

Just before federal agents closed in, its members had been figuring out how to sabotage the power grid in Los Angeles, hoping to incite r**ts and l**ting. Men affiliated with the Order had also surveyed the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City as a target, which helped to inspire Timothy McVeigh to blow it up in April 1995, k*****g 168 people in the worst homegrown terrorist attack in U.S. history.

The First Amendment means that people cannot be prosecuted on the basis of ideology alone, so the hurdle is figuring out which secretive individual or group, whether far-right or far-left, might be turning to violence. The dangerous core bent on violence is usually only 5% to 10% of an extremist organization, agents said.

Mathews, raised among w***e s*********ts, organized a heavily armed, clandestine guerrilla force designed to spark a civil war. Adherents sought to restore America to its imagined origins and considered preserving the “green graves” of their white forefathers a sacred duty. To join, members stepped into a wide candlelit circle formed around a white infant and pledged to fight, in secret and without fear of death, to make the United States an Aryan nation.

Far-right groups have evolved since the days of the Order. In some ways they are broader and more loosely affiliated, given the use of the internet, and mainstream politics has opened the door to some of their ideas. A key question today is whether adherents of extremist groups might seek elected office or whether the heavily disputed p**********l v**e soured them on politics.

“Do they want armed revolution and race war, or are they seeking to enter politics?” said Kathleen Belew, whose book, “Bring the War Home,” covered the history of the Order. “Do they want to burn it down, or do they want to take over?”

The Order sought to burn it down. A key takeaway was how much time it took federal authorities to recognize the significant threat, Manis and others said. Law enforcement agents, focused on more visible, outspoken groups, were initially blind to the level of organization behind the Order.

In northern Idaho in the 1980s, the public face of the far-right was the Aryan Nations compound near Hayden Lake, a gathering of w***e s*********ts and neo-N**is collected around the Church of Jesus Christ Christian, part of the Christian Identity movement. Its pastor, Richard Girnt Butler, preached that the United States must be restored as a white nation for the second coming of Christ to occur.

Then, as now, adherents of extremist groups were mainly white men. “They were undereducated or poorly educated, underemployed, unsuccessful in wh**ever they were trying to do workwise,” Wilson said. “They were seeking relevance and status, a meaning for their lives, and looking for somebody readily identifiable to blame. They blamed minority groups for their problems.”

They railed against immigrants coming to destroy the country and against the elites in what they called the “Z*****t Occupied Government,” whom they accused of abetting such threatening changes for cheap labor, among other reasons.

Expressing those sentiments, protected by the First Amendment, was insufficient cause to begin an investigation. And many of the members did not particularly stand out in northern Idaho, given that residents p***e themselves on rugged individualism.

Peter Robinson, who helped to prosecute the case as an assistant U.S. attorney, said the defendants struck him as completely ordinary — up to a point.

“I had the impression that these were normal guys who you could have a beer with in a bar and you would not notice anything unusual about them — unless you talked about race or about Jews,” said Robinson, now an international criminal defense lawyer.

At first agents were clueless that the Order even existed.

An undersheriff with his ear to the ground voiced his suspicions to Manis that a local gang was behind a spate of relatively small, unsolved robberies, prompting a standard investigation that mushroomed throughout 1984 into a major national operation.

One big break came when a man arrested in Pennsylvania for trying to pass counterfeit bills revealed that Mathews had founded the Order in the Pacific Northwest to undermine the U.S. government, including its currency. “That was like reading a mystery novel, and you turn the page, and it tells you who the k**ler is,” Manis said.

Then a search warrant unearthed a truly damning piece of evidence: the MAC-10 semi-automatic gun used to assassinate Alan Berg, the talk radio host who drew the ire of the group by repeatedly insulting far-right adherents on air. The k*****g introduced an element of mystical zeal because the gun jammed after the 13th round, interpreted by Order members as a sign that their plan to restore the United States to its origins when it was just 13 states would succeed, according to a history of the group called “The Silent Brotherhood.”

With the robberies that were the initial focus of the group’s efforts, Mathews worked toward a general uprising, dispensing the money to extremist groups nationwide to buy weapons and other matériel. He hoped his war chest would serve to bind them together, with a wave of violence forcing the U.S. government to cede Washington, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and Colorado as an initial white homeland.

The men who disbanded the Order believe that any contemporary group with similarly dangerous aspirations would also likely be hidden. Members of the Order shunned publicity to concentrate on crime. “Everything that they did was covert,” said Tom McDaniel, a former FBI agent who moved to Montana in 1984 to pursue the case and never left.

It was only when the FBI agents were closing in on Mathews in November 1984 that he issued a declaration of war. Part of the declaration threatened to k**l politicians in Congress: “When the day comes, we will not ask whether you swung to the right or swung to the left; we will simply swing you by your neck.”

The wording came from a tract published by the National Alliance, a far-right organization run by William Luther Pierce, author of “The Turner Diaries,” a dystopian novel that imagines a w***e s*********t underground that takes over the United States and eventually the world.

Although the motivations are related, there is plenty that separates groups active now from those that operated in the past. Far-right organizations once needed to engage with possible recruits in person; now much of that radicalization occurs online. They can connect, scheme and even act through the internet. It was also unthinkable that any high-profile politician would voice opinions that such groups considered encouragement. Now those words have come from a former president.

Former agents viewed the Capitol r**t and last year’s protests over social justice issues as possible seeds for radicalization.

“I feel that if there is an organization today from the extreme right that is following in the footsteps of the Order,” Manis said, “you will not know anything about it until it is too late and they have already done something dastardly.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/past-chilling-warning-extremists-present-151112883.html
(The Far Right isn't far anymore, sort of snugly w... (show quote)

What a complete waste. Delusional

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May 3, 2021 21:29:18   #
martsiva
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Yahoo does not write the news. Yahoo is a clearing house for up to the minute news which they pay for.
Just a clearinghouse like nbc cbs cnn.
They don’t write the news, do your attacks on a news clearinghouse are unfounded.
That same news goes out through the country’s radio and tv and internet.
It’s not only yahoo news.
Faux Nouse will never purchase the same news as yahoo. I think they have their own deep state sources.
Like Arizona cyber criminals continuing to commit e******n f***d.
Yahoo does not write the news. Yahoo is a clearing... (show quote)


Yahoo ALWAYS puts up biased left wing 'news' reports!!! I had always read the BS they put in their columns until they got called out so many times for the garbage they used, that they stopped all commenting! Don`t even go there!! REAL news wouldn`t even begin to use the lying news that Yahoo still uses!!

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May 3, 2021 21:40:48   #
AmericanEagle Loc: Indiana
 
Oh please just keep playing your freaking race card that’s all the left ever has when they are out of thoughts or ideas which are few.

Stop painting in broad strokes and say Trump supporters are all w***e s*********ts. Statistically we could say b****s are all criminals by your logic since they have a higher crime rate and incarceration. I am tired I have people like you living in the past and whining and complaining. Do you want to tear down statues and erase history’s and even president. So let’s use that logic and s***ery never happened then right? So there’s nothing to b***h about!

I’m also tired of the word African-American because again that puts another country ahead of ours! I don’t say I am a German scotch Irish American, we are Americans first and foremost. When you want to put yourself ahead of others how do you expect everybody to get along? Take responsibility for your own actions and go into the neighborhoods and clean them up! B*M is just a d******c t*******t organization. If B*M really matters then name the last black person that got k**led in Chicago, Detroit, Portland or wherever! The problem is you can’t and it only matters when they are k**led by typically a white police officer which is a very low percentage given the number of arrests. More White people are k**led by cops than b****s and that’s a statistical fact.

I am all for giving somebody a hand up when they are down but the handouts have to stop. The people that take advantage of the programs to educate themselves so they can have a better job and way of life good for them. That’s the way it supposed to be. If America is so r****t how did Obama get elected? Let’s see professional basketball or football players live in another country and see if they can make the same living over there or have the opportunities that America afford them.

If people don’t wake up and realize biden and the progressive wacko birds will turn America into a third world country and our freedom‘s will be lost forever. You have to be a complete moron to see that it’s about a power grab and for what?? At what cost?

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May 3, 2021 21:49:24   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
martsiva wrote:
Yahoo ALWAYS puts up biased left wing 'news' reports!!! I had always read the BS they put in their columns until they got called out so many times for the garbage they used, that they stopped all commenting! Don`t even go there!! REAL news wouldn`t even begin to use the lying news that Yahoo still uses!!


What Real News are you talking about ?

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May 3, 2021 22:47:53   #
Hadenough
 
AmericanEagle wrote:
Oh please just keep playing your freaking race card that’s all the left ever has when they are out of thoughts or ideas which are few.

Stop painting in broad strokes and say Trump supporters are all w***e s*********ts. Statistically we could say b****s are all criminals by your logic since they have a higher crime rate and incarceration. I am tired I have people like you living in the past and whining and complaining. Do you want to tear down statues and erase history’s and even president. So let’s use that logic and s***ery never happened then right? So there’s nothing to b***h about!

I’m also tired of the word African-American because again that puts another country ahead of ours! I don’t say I am a German scotch Irish American, we are Americans first and foremost. When you want to put yourself ahead of others how do you expect everybody to get along? Take responsibility for your own actions and go into the neighborhoods and clean them up! B*M is just a d******c t*******t organization. If B*M really matters then name the last black person that got k**led in Chicago, Detroit, Portland or wherever! The problem is you can’t and it only matters when they are k**led by typically a white police officer which is a very low percentage given the number of arrests. More White people are k**led by cops than b****s and that’s a statistical fact.

I am all for giving somebody a hand up when they are down but the handouts have to stop. The people that take advantage of the programs to educate themselves so they can have a better job and way of life good for them. That’s the way it supposed to be. If America is so r****t how did Obama get elected? Let’s see professional basketball or football players live in another country and see if they can make the same living over there or have the opportunities that America afford them.

If people don’t wake up and realize biden and the progressive wacko birds will turn America into a third world country and our freedom‘s will be lost forever. You have to be a complete moron to see that it’s about a power grab and for what?? At what cost?
Oh please just keep playing your freaking race car... (show quote)


American Eagle,

Very well said, I agree with you 100%.
Being a person of “color” the only thing that could hold me back would have been myself. I spent 20+ in law enforcement, I learned you treat people the way they want to be treated by their actions. You don’t demand respect, you earn it, it works both ways.

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May 3, 2021 23:31:39   #
fullspinzoo
 
Hadenough wrote:
American Eagle,

Very well said, I agree with you 100%.
Being a person of “color” the only thing that could hold me back would have been myself. I spent 20+ in law enforcement, I learned you treat people the way they want to be treated by their actions. You don’t demand respect, you earn it, it works both ways.


Spot on, both of you. You both know what it's all about. Thank you for your service. I live near a few casinos. Can you imagine a casino w/o security? Bad guys knocking old ladies off their stools, stealing chips, pure chaos. And that's what the left wants. Sometimes it's hard to figure out who has lost their mind the most on that side of the aisle

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