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Apr 7, 2021 19:01:58   #
RascalRiley
 
Grugore wrote:
Reagan said it best. Words that every American should fear.

"I'm from the government, and I'm here to help". I'll take my chances with the virus. We know for a fact that people have died after getting the vaccine. That's all I need to know. Since I have a compromised immune system, there is no way to predict what the vaccine would do to me. They will have to kill me before they can give me the vaccine. My body. My choice. And if they manage to do it without killing and I survive the experience, if there is still a judge who defends peoples Constitutional rights, I'll sue them for every penny I can get. The law is clear about doing something like this. A persons sovereignty over their own body is a basic human right.
Reagan said it best. Words that every American sho... (show quote)


If you were symptomatic would you go out and about without a mask, infecting others as is your sovereign right?

Apr 7, 2021 19:06:57   #
Grugore
 
If I had symptoms, I would take reasonable precautions and treat it myself. There is a procedure that is guaranteed to kill the virus. If you have it done in the morning, the virus and the symptoms will be gone before you go to bed.
RascalRiley wrote:
If you were symptomatic would you go out and about without a mask, infecting others as is your sovereign right?

Apr 7, 2021 19:21:49   #
RascalRiley
 
Grugore wrote:
If I had symptoms, I would take reasonable precautions and treat it myself. There is a procedure that is guaranteed to kill the virus. If you have it done in the morning, the virus and the symptoms will be gone before you go to bed.


“There is a procedure that is guaranteed to kill the virus”.
Care to share this with the world. Or is it top secret? Is that how Trump recovered so quickly? What is this procedure?

 
 
Apr 7, 2021 19:24:02   #
Grugore
 
RascalRiley wrote:
“There is a procedure that is guaranteed to kill the virus”.
Care to share this with the world. Or is it top secret? Is that how Trump recovered so quickly? What is this procedure?


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4783265/

Apr 7, 2021 19:45:19   #
RascalRiley
 
Grugore wrote:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4783265/


So you feel sick some morning? Who are you going to get to expose your blood to laser light?

The virus and the symptoms will be gone before you go to bed is just too good to be true.

Or could they turn the virus on and off like a light switch and make you think it worked

Apr 7, 2021 21:02:41   #
Grugore
 
RascalRiley wrote:
So you feel sick some morning? Who are you going to get to expose your blood to laser light?

The virus and the symptoms will be gone before you go to bed is just too good to be true.

Or could they turn the virus on and off like a light switch and make you think it worked

It is not my job to enlighten your ignorant ass. Do some research. You can start by reading the link I posted.

Apr 7, 2021 21:16:17   #
RascalRiley
 
Grugore wrote:
It is not my job to enlighten your ignorant ass. Do some research


I do. Hours every day. I am retired. We are wired differently. We see the same things differently. Christ said love thy neighbour regardless of how they see things. ‘Ignorant ass’ was unwarranted.

 
 
Apr 7, 2021 22:18:04   #
Nelson7
 
proud republican wrote:
https://www.hackensackmeridianhealth.org/HealthU/2021/01/11/a-simple-breakdown-of-the-ingredients-in-the-covid-vaccines/


Thank you for posting a useful answer to a slightly snarky question. I learned something.

Apr 7, 2021 23:13:39   #
FallenOak Loc: St George Utah
 
Grugore wrote:
Like, the government or the government-controlled media would report these deaths. Also, the number of deaths from covid was exaggerated by 16,000 percent. There is also the fact that there have been no more deaths from any cause than the previous year. The great pandemic. The great bushwa.


I agree with what you are saying bet consider the consequences of not obeying rules.
I have been saying that this is a naturally occurring event every few years. A contagious flu that kills thousands around the world. Been going on since the beginning of cities at least because disease cannot be spread as effectively in isolated farms or hamlets. However the difference this time is that in all the countries, not just Asian countries as I used to see on news casts, the people are seen wearing masks. Some states in the US enforce the rule more than others. In major stores or other places you do business can say you must have a mask to enter and if most of the stores in your city do that, where do you plan to shop? It is possible for your government to levy large fines for not wearing a mask, will you have enough money to pay those fines? After almost a year of masks I think that about one-third of the US are so ready to wear masks that it won’t be that difficult for the other two-thirds to be brought into line with government rules. If you went to public school you were there to be taught to obey the rules and that conditioning will kick in soon or later. Already I hear talk about not allowing people on airplanes who have not had the shots. The government can in its power restrict your ability to move from place to place or enter businesses by fining businesses that do not adhere to the rules of the government. America used to be the, “Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.” In the last year I see so many signs that it is no longer the Land of the Free as it was in 1950. That is only 70 years past. Freedom has taken a very large hit since 2000. Consider the freedoms that are no longer yours. Saying, “It is for the common good,” does nothing to restore Freedom.

Apr 7, 2021 23:17:53   #
Grugore
 
FallenOak wrote:
I agree with what you are saying bet consider the consequences of not obeying rules.
I have been saying that this is a naturally occurring event every few years. A contagious flu that kills thousands around the world. Been going on since the beginning of cities at least because disease cannot be spread as effectively in isolated farms or hamlets. However the difference this time is that in all the countries, not just Asian countries as I used to see on news casts, the people are seen wearing masks. Some states in the US enforce the rule more than others. In major stores or other places you do business can say you must have a mask to enter and if most of the stores in your city do that, where do you plan to shop? It is possible for your government to levy large fines for not wearing a mask, will you have enough money to pay those fines? After almost a year of masks I think that about one-third of the US are so ready to wear masks that it won’t be that difficult for the other two-thirds to be brought into line with government rules. If you went to public school you were there to be taught to obey the rules and that conditioning will kick in soon or later. Already I hear talk about not allowing people on airplanes who have not had the shots. The government can in its power restrict your ability to move from place to place or enter businesses by fining businesses that do not adhere to the rules of the government. America used to be the, “Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.” In the last year I see so many signs that it is no longer the Land of the Free as it was in 1950. That is only 70 years past. Freedom has taken a very large hit since 2000. Consider the freedoms that are no longer yours. Saying, “It is for the common good,” does nothing to restore Freedom.
I agree with what you are saying bet consider the ... (show quote)


I know evil. And I will fight it as long as I'm able. Our elected officials are supposed to be public servants. But they consider themselves our lords and masters. I will not submit!

Apr 7, 2021 23:18:39   #
Wildlandfirefighter
 
Grugore wrote:
You're going to take an experimental drug that rewrites your DNA and has already killed thousands of perfectly healthy people? I thought you were smarter than that? Do you even know what's in it?


Such BS!

The vaccines have not killed thousands of people, total garbage! Try this on for size instead, up to the end of February some 60 million Americans had received at least one shot and 966 had died between getting the shot and 45 days later. This was deaths from all causes including car accidents, heart attacks and everything else in between. Some of them likely were from the vaccines, but many were not, and certainly not thousands. But lets compare that death rate with the death rate for someone getting covid and it doesn't even compare as Covid has already killed 550,000 people here in the us.

https://www.newsweek.com/covid-vaccine-deaths-cause-pfizer-moderna-fact-check-966-died-1574447

None of the Covid vaccines has the ability to change your DNA, nor does it even interact with your DNA. So maybe you should really look stuff up instead of lying about it, or try looking stuff up somewhere that will give you the truth. I've had both shots of Pfizer and I'm happy as hell. You do what you want, but stop spreading garbage that actually could cause people to believe you, not get vaccinated, and get the virus and die!

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html#:~:text=No.%20COVID%2D19,DNA%20in%20any%20way.

Will a COVID-19 vaccine alter my DNA?
illustration of DNA strand

No. COVID-19 vaccines do not change or interact with your DNA in any way.

There are currently two types of COVID-19 vaccines that have been authorized for use in the United States: messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines and viral vector vaccines.

The Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines are mRNA vaccines, which teach our cells how to make a protein that triggers an immune response. The mRNA from a COVID-19 vaccine never enters the nucleus of the cell, which is where our DNA is kept. This means the mRNA cannot affect or interact with our DNA in any way. Instead, COVID-19 mRNA vaccines work with the body’s natural defenses to safely develop immunity to disease. Learn more about how COVID-19 mRNA vaccines work. ​

Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen COVID-19 vaccine is a viral vector vaccine. Viral vector vaccines use a modified version of a different, harmless virus (the vector) to deliver important instructions to our cells to start building protection. The instructions are delivered in the form of genetic material. This material does not integrate into a person’s DNA. These instructions tell the cell to produce a harmless piece of virus that causes COVID-19. This is a spike protein and is only found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19. This triggers our immune system to recognize the virus that causes COVID-19 and to begin producing antibodies and activating other immune cells to fight off what it thinks is an infection. Learn more about how viral vector vaccines work.

At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect against future infection from COVID-19. That immune response and the antibodies that our bodies make protect us from getting infected if the real virus enters our bodies.

 
 
Apr 7, 2021 23:22:43   #
Wildlandfirefighter
 
Grugore wrote:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4783265/


LOL, I don't see any guarantee of anything with this blood irradiation process. But there is another treatment that is nearly 100% effective if taken early enough, the monoclonal antibody treatments. This takes like an hour and is a transfusion so you have to sit there in the doc's office. Apparently it is widely available but most people don't know about it. This is what Trump got along with a few other treatments. If you are at high risk and test positive, you should request this monoclonal antibody treatment immediately. If it was more widely used we could save a lot of lives.

Apr 7, 2021 23:28:15   #
Grugore
 
Wildlandfirefighter wrote:
Such BS!

The vaccines have not killed thousands of people, total garbage! Try this on for size instead, up to the end of February some 60 million Americans had received at least one shot and 966 had died between getting the shot and 45 days later. This was deaths from all causes including car accidents, heart attacks and everything else in between. Some of them likely were from the vaccines, but many were not, and certainly not thousands. But lets compare that death rate with the death rate for someone getting covid and it doesn't even compare as Covid has already killed 550,000 people here in the us.

https://www.newsweek.com/covid-vaccine-deaths-cause-pfizer-moderna-fact-check-966-died-1574447

None of the Covid vaccines has the ability to change your DNA, nor does it even interact with your DNA. So maybe you should really look stuff up instead of lying about it, or try looking stuff up somewhere that will give you the truth. I've had both shots of Pfizer and I'm happy as hell. You do what you want, but stop spreading garbage that actually could cause people to believe you, not get vaccinated, and get the virus and die!

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html#:~:text=No.%20COVID%2D19,DNA%20in%20any%20way.

Will a COVID-19 vaccine alter my DNA?
illustration of DNA strand

No. COVID-19 vaccines do not change or interact with your DNA in any way.

There are currently two types of COVID-19 vaccines that have been authorized for use in the United States: messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines and viral vector vaccines.

The Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines are mRNA vaccines, which teach our cells how to make a protein that triggers an immune response. The mRNA from a COVID-19 vaccine never enters the nucleus of the cell, which is where our DNA is kept. This means the mRNA cannot affect or interact with our DNA in any way. Instead, COVID-19 mRNA vaccines work with the body’s natural defenses to safely develop immunity to disease. Learn more about how COVID-19 mRNA vaccines work. ​

Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen COVID-19 vaccine is a viral vector vaccine. Viral vector vaccines use a modified version of a different, harmless virus (the vector) to deliver important instructions to our cells to start building protection. The instructions are delivered in the form of genetic material. This material does not integrate into a person’s DNA. These instructions tell the cell to produce a harmless piece of virus that causes COVID-19. This is a spike protein and is only found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19. This triggers our immune system to recognize the virus that causes COVID-19 and to begin producing antibodies and activating other immune cells to fight off what it thinks is an infection. Learn more about how viral vector vaccines work.

At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect against future infection from COVID-19. That immune response and the antibodies that our bodies make protect us from getting infected if the real virus enters our bodies.
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Believe whatever you like. But I will bet you any amount of money that in about a month or so people will be dropping like flies. These vaccines are designed to alter the way our immune system functions. My immune system is fine the way it is. I'm not about to let others mess with it.

Apr 8, 2021 02:46:57   #
Wildlandfirefighter
 
Grugore wrote:
Believe whatever you like. But I will bet you any amount of money that in about a month or so people will be dropping like flies. These vaccines are designed to alter the way our immune system functions. My immune system is fine the way it is. I'm not about to let others mess with it.


OK how about we bet $100,000 then? I'll take your $100,000 bet provided you give me a clear definition of "dropping like flies". Does that mean 1 per 100 vaccinated, one per thousand, one per 10,000? So what will be the measuring stick here Groggy?

No it doesn't alter how our immune immune system functions, it is mrna, something our immune system uses regularly to communicate within the system. It is a communication tool, spend some time and look into it man. And if that worries you go get a J&J vaccine, that's the old style built just like the yearly flu vaccine, or any of the other dozens that are being used around the world (there are some 135 vaccines being at least field trialed around the world today, and most of those are not mrna vaccines). People have been getting these mrna vaccines now for over a year and nobody has been dropping like flies.

So how about you get your facts straight and stop spreading total lies.

Apr 8, 2021 06:04:40   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Tn
 
Weasel wrote:
I know that so far Biden has allowed over 400,000 ileagal aliens to cross our southern border in the last 2 1/2 months.
I know that at least 20% of them have Coronavirus and nobody is worried about them spreading the virus, or any other unwanted sickness.
I know that the vacine does not stop you from getting sick. So obviously the vacine doesn't work.
I also know that Biden will not let our Surgeon General speak to the public about the Coronavirus.
So NO I do not trust Biden, the Vacine, our Governments handling of what is a Complete, and Utter FRAUD.
GOOD LUCK AMERICANS.
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I am not taking it, rather take my chances, although I am in my 70’s, I would rather trust in my Lord to keep me healthy, and whole.

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