rumitoid

So do the meek survive and thrive by the grace of God, and Jesus said they will inherit the earth. Also, bears are not rational beings.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

I believe "meek" is an attitude. A way of life. I strive for that myself.

I'm a humble man, but, if you try to harm those I truly love.....I'm not against extreme, explosive, sudden violence in order to protect them.

Look man, I live with an angel. An amazingly Christian, Godly woman.
Admittedly, I don't deserve her, but she would k**l anyone trying to harm our family.

son of witless

Yes but without context your statement is not understandable

rumitoid

Very understandable and decent. You are blessed. Family is everything. If someone went after my daughter or grand children, I have no problem using any means possible to protect them. Though you and I might be the mean of most humans still does not mean all people would "k**l under the right circumstances" and judging their motives is for God to assess.

JW

It is natural because every living thing, from paramecia to plants to people, must compete for nourishment and every other thing needed to survive and reproduce. That requires that one survives by preventing the survival of another. Lions routinely k**l chetahs and hyenas for no reason but to eliminate competition

Can any living thing willingly sacrifice it's life to prevent the death of another? Certainly but that is also built into the higher organisms. (EX: Mother cat getting badly burned rescuing her kittens from a burning building.)

Any organism that is capable of recognizing an obligation or is driven by instinct to protect another is capable of self-sacrifice.

Neither the k*****g nor the self-sacrificing can be altered by training (nurture). Both are driven by design.

You specified "under the right conditions". The k*****g of one's own kind is recorded among chimps, gorillas,
dolphins and others under severe stress and even simply to eliminate competition.

You cannot train a mother cat to just let her kittens burn up. You cannot train a human to simply die when eating other humans is an option (EX: the Donner Party, the plane crash in the Andes). You can certainly try, but there is ample evidence that it won't stand up to every situation.

rumitoid

Lol, people can change or not: what more context do you need?

rumitoid

What about rational human beings? Your arguments are like what Evolution Theorists would offer as somehow to explain all human behavior.

son of witless

As I said, People change, but not always for the better. I have known many who changed for the worse.

JW

Sometimes the unthinkable is the only rational option; again the Donner Party or the more recent Andean plane crash incident.

"In 1972, a plane crashed in the Andes. The survivors resorted to eating the flesh of those who had died and their story became the film Alive. As the 40th anniversary nears, Ross McGuinness talks to one of the men who saved the group. Almost 40 years ago, 19-year-old Roberto Canessa set off on a trek that that would save his life and 15 others." https://www.bing.com/search?q=plane+crash+andes+eat+people&form=ANNTH1&refig=41f32de3f24547d383b3d0435e8796d8

rumitoid

Lol, life is the context; isn't that clear?

son of witless

Okay I will accept that. My point is that I have known as many good go bad as I have known bad to go good. Most people stay what ever they have become as a 20 something.