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Like the common false belief that anyone would kill under the right circumstances, many claim people can't change: Do you?
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Mar 29, 2021 19:40:08   #
rumitoid
 
I don't have proof, affidavits and the like, but I have met people that have done 180 in their lives, reversing the spin of their soul from a downward destructive spiral into greater Darkness to one turning for the Light. None are what most people would think of as saints; they still have their flaws. Yet their hearts grew bigger for humanity than their lifelong obsession with self. I had one friend that was about the most foul-mouthed person I ever met but would fall on a grenade in an instant to help another in trouble.

So my answer is yes, I know that people can really and truly change. What about you?

Mar 29, 2021 19:45:51   #
Liberty Tree
 
rumitoid wrote:
I don't have proof, affidavits and the like, but I have met people that have done 180 in their lives, reversing the spin of their soul from a downward destructive spiral into greater Darkness to one turning for the Light. None are what most people would think of as saints; they still have their flaws. Yet their hearts grew bigger for humanity than their lifelong obsession with self. I had one friend that was about the most foul-mouthed person I ever met but would fall on a grenade in an instant to help another in trouble.

So my answer is yes, that people can really and truly change. What about you?
I don't have proof, affidavits and the like, but I... (show quote)


Do you apply that to yourself?

Mar 29, 2021 19:49:08   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
rumitoid wrote:
I don't have proof, affidavits and the like, but I have met people that have done 180 in their lives, reversing the spin of their soul from a downward destructive spiral into greater Darkness to one turning for the Light. None are what most people would think of as saints; they still have their flaws. Yet their hearts grew bigger for humanity than their lifelong obsession with self. I had one friend that was about the most foul-mouthed person I ever met but would fall on a grenade in an instant to help another in trouble.

So my answer is yes, that people can really and truly change. What about you?
I don't have proof, affidavits and the like, but I... (show quote)



I agree. We are changing every day, all for different reasons. Change is the one constant. Backed into a corner I believe an ancient will to live takes over our emotions for self preservation. We will kill .
There are those unfortunates that have never had a reason to change and continue on the circular track of suspended reality, and there always will be.
They maintain the comfort level the circular track gives them. Everything is just like the last thing.
Unfortunates.

 
 
Mar 29, 2021 19:55:21   #
rumitoid
 
Milosia2 wrote:
I agree. We are changing every day, all for different reasons. Change is the one constant.
There are those unfortunates that have never had a reason to change and continue on the circular track of suspended reality, and there always will be.
They maintain the comfort level the circular track gives them. Everything is just like the last thing.
Unfortunates.


Very well put. Thank you

Mar 29, 2021 19:55:40   #
EmilyD
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Do you apply that to yourself?


Of course not. Someone that thinks as highly of himself as he does would never believe that he needs to make any changes. Remember...he is the receiver of several miracles from the gods of health!

Mar 29, 2021 19:56:38   #
rumitoid
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Do you apply that to yourself?


I was waiting for that question. I feel that is for others who know me to judge.

Mar 29, 2021 20:03:58   #
son of witless
 
rumitoid wrote:
I don't have proof, affidavits and the like, but I have met people that have done 180 in their lives, reversing the spin of their soul from a downward destructive spiral into greater Darkness to one turning for the Light. None are what most people would think of as saints; they still have their flaws. Yet their hearts grew bigger for humanity than their lifelong obsession with self. I had one friend that was about the most foul-mouthed person I ever met but would fall on a grenade in an instant to help another in trouble.

So my answer is yes, I know that people can really and truly change. What about you?
I don't have proof, affidavits and the like, but I... (show quote)


Of course people can and do change. Your context is that the change is good. I have met people, mostly men who when they were young they were total jackasses. Then when they went out into the world and had to support themselves, they changed into decent people.

I have also met people who went bad. When they were young, you would trust them with your life savings or your family. Then 10 or 20 years later they screw you over financially and you say, what the hell happened to that guy.

Change is only relevant within a context. It is either good or bad.

 
 
Mar 29, 2021 20:05:15   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
EmilyD wrote:
Of course not. Someone that thinks as highly of himself as he does would never believe that he needs to make any changes. Remember...he is the receiver of several miracles from the gods of health!


How does it apply to your self, Emily ?

Mar 29, 2021 20:41:30   #
EmilyD
 
Milosia2 wrote:
How does it apply to your self, Emily ?


I'll tell you what rumitoid is doing in his post means me: I see that he is judging... again. When he says he "knows people can really and truly change" in a post that implies that is a 'good' thing, that is him sitting on his high horse and "approving" that someone else has changed to his imperial liking. Change can be good or bad, and is a personal thing that happens within someone's being. It should never be done to appease someone else's wishes either way.

Mar 29, 2021 21:19:21   #
Liberty Tree
 
EmilyD wrote:
I'll tell you what rumitoid is doing in his post means me: I see that he is judging... again. When he says he "knows people can really and truly change" in a post that implies that is a 'good' thing, that is him sitting on his high horse and "approving" that someone else has changed to his imperial liking. Change can be good or bad, and is a personal thing that happens within someone's being. It should never be done to appease someone else's wishes either way.


He does have a very high opinion of himself.

Mar 29, 2021 21:53:24   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
rumitoid wrote:
I don't have proof, affidavits and the like, but I have met people that have done 180 in their lives, reversing the spin of their soul from a downward destructive spiral into greater Darkness to one turning for the Light. None are what most people would think of as saints; they still have their flaws. Yet their hearts grew bigger for humanity than their lifelong obsession with self. I had one friend that was about the most foul-mouthed person I ever met but would fall on a grenade in an instant to help another in trouble.

So my answer is yes, I know that people can really and truly change. What about you?
I don't have proof, affidavits and the like, but I... (show quote)


Where do you come up with this crap?

I damn well know that I'll kill under the right circumstances.
Should I change, and just sit back, and observe harm being perpetrated on myself, or someone I love?
Here in Texas, those who do that are pussies.

People can, and do change all the time.
Some can, and do.
Some can't, and won't change.

Or, are we talking about change that meets your own specific criteria?

 
 
Mar 29, 2021 22:10:01   #
JW
 
rumitoid wrote:
I don't have proof, affidavits and the like, but I have met people that have done 180 in their lives, reversing the spin of their soul from a downward destructive spiral into greater Darkness to one turning for the Light. None are what most people would think of as saints; they still have their flaws. Yet their hearts grew bigger for humanity than their lifelong obsession with self. I had one friend that was about the most foul-mouthed person I ever met but would fall on a grenade in an instant to help another in trouble.

So my answer is yes, I know that people can really and truly change. What about you?
I don't have proof, affidavits and the like, but I... (show quote)


It is long established that there are two fundamental drivers of behavior, nature and nurture. Any aspect of nurture is changeable. No aspect of nature is changeable.

So, under the proper circumstances, everyone will kill because killing is natural. Under the right circumstances, everything does it.

Mar 29, 2021 23:40:47   #
rumitoid
 
EmilyD wrote:
Of course not. Someone that thinks as highly of himself as he does would never believe that he needs to make any changes. Remember...he is the receiver of several miracles from the gods of health!


Lol.

Mar 29, 2021 23:43:32   #
rumitoid
 
EmilyD wrote:
I'll tell you what rumitoid is doing in his post means me: I see that he is judging... again. When he says he "knows people can really and truly change" in a post that implies that is a 'good' thing, that is him sitting on his high horse and "approving" that someone else has changed to his imperial liking. Change can be good or bad, and is a personal thing that happens within someone's being. It should never be done to appease someone else's wishes either way.


Lol. Always the spin of my thread being somehow sinister.

Mar 29, 2021 23:44:42   #
rumitoid
 
archie bunker wrote:
Where do you come up with this crap?

I damn well know that I'll kill under the right circumstances.
Should I change, and just sit back, and observe harm being perpetrated on myself, or someone I love?
Here in Texas, those who do that are pussies.

People can, and do change all the time.
Some can, and do.
Some can't, and won't change.

Or, are we talking about change that meets your own specific criteria?


Oy vey another one.

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