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Mar 27, 2021 16:30:51   #
troysal Loc: Picayune MS
 
In the NT Jesus is called Christ. What is the true significance of this title?

https://letthetruthcomeoutblog.wordpress.com/2017/11/26/christ-title-of-divinity/

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Mar 28, 2021 00:25:27   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
https://letthetruthcomeoutblog.wordpress.com/2017/11/26/christ-title-of-divinity/

Quote: "Let the Truth Come Out

Demythologizing the faith once entrusted to the saints.

Author: Troy Salinger

I am 55 yrs. old. I live with my wife of 32 yrs. in Picayune MS.
I have been a believer in the Lord Jesus since August of 1981.
I have no formal theological education, but have been an ardent student of Scripture for 36 yrs.
I am a biblical Unitarian i.e. I believe the Father is the only true God (John 17:3) and Jesus is His human Son, the Messiah."End Quote


Addendum:

Unitarianism (from Latin unitas "unity, oneness", from unus "one") is a Christian theological movement named for its belief that the God in Christianity is ONE entity, as opposed to the Trinity (tri- from Latin tres "three") which in most other branches of Christianity defines God as one being in three persons: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Unitarian Christians, therefore, believe that Jesus was inspired by God in his moral teachings, and he is a savior, but he was not a deity or God incarnate.

As is typical of dissenters, Unitarianism does not constitute one single Christian denomination, but rather refers to a collection of both existing and extinct Christian groups, whether historically related to each other or not, which share a common theological concept of the ONENESS nature of God.

Unitarianism is also known for the rejection of several other Western Christian doctrines, including the doctrines of original sin, predestination, and the infallibility of the Bible.
In J. Gordon Melton's Encyclopedia of American Religions, the Unitarian tradition is classified among "the 'liberal' family of churches."



troysal wrote:
In the NT Jesus is called Christ. What is the true significance of this title?

https://letthetruthcomeoutblog.wordpress.com/2017/11/26/christ-title-of-divinity/

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Mar 28, 2021 13:37:11   #
troysal Loc: Picayune MS
 
Zemirah,

"Unitarianism (from Latin unitas "unity, oneness", from unus "one") is a Christian theological movement named for its belief that the God in Christianity is ONE entity, as opposed to the Trinity (tri- from Latin tres "three") which in most other branches of Christianity defines God as one being in three persons: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Unitarian Christians, therefore, believe that Jesus was inspired by God in his moral teachings, and he is a savior, [b]but he was not a deity or God incarnate."

The only thing I would disagree with here is that Jesus is not simply "a savior" but the savior, the cjosen one from the line of David, the man through who god will rule the world - see Acts 17:31.

"As is typical of dissenters, Unitarianism does not constitute one single Christian denomination, but rather refers to a collection of both existing and extinct Christian groups, whether historically related to each other or not, which share a common theological concept of the ONENESS nature of God."

This definition can also apply to 'Trinitarianism'.

"Unitarianism is also known for the rejection of several other Western Christian doctrines, including the doctrines of original sin, predestination, and the infallibility of the Bible.
In J. Gordon Melton's Encyclopedia of American Religions, [b]the Unitarian tradition is classified among "the 'liberal' family of churches."

I am what has become known as a Biblical Unitarian i.e. I hold to the Bible as God's word and authoritative. Biblical Unitarians are not agreed about all other doctrines. Some accept and some deny other doctrines. like original sin and predestination. Regarding Jesus, some hold him to be simply human (my belief), while others that he pre-existed as a created spirit being before becoming incarnate as a man.

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Mar 29, 2021 19:06:36   #
Rose42
 
Zemirah wrote:
https://letthetruthcomeoutblog.wordpress.com/2017/11/26/christ-title-of-divinity/

Quote: "Let the Truth Come Out

Demythologizing the faith once entrusted to the saints.

Author: Troy Salinger

I am 55 yrs. old. I live with my wife of 32 yrs. in Picayune MS.
I have been a believer in the Lord Jesus since August of 1981.
I have no formal theological education, but have been an ardent student of Scripture for 36 yrs.
I am a biblical Unitarian i.e. I believe the Father is the only true God (John 17:3) and Jesus is His human Son, the Messiah."End Quote


Addendum:

Unitarianism (from Latin unitas "unity, oneness", from unus "one") is a Christian theological movement named for its belief that the God in Christianity is ONE entity, as opposed to the Trinity (tri- from Latin tres "three") which in most other branches of Christianity defines God as one being in three persons: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Unitarian Christians, therefore, believe that Jesus was inspired by God in his moral teachings, and he is a savior, but he was not a deity or God incarnate.

As is typical of dissenters, Unitarianism does not constitute one single Christian denomination, but rather refers to a collection of both existing and extinct Christian groups, whether historically related to each other or not, which share a common theological concept of the ONENESS nature of God.

Unitarianism is also known for the rejection of several other Western Christian doctrines, including the doctrines of original sin, predestination, and the infallibility of the Bible.
In J. Gordon Melton's Encyclopedia of American Religions, the Unitarian tradition is classified among "the 'liberal' family of churches."
https://letthetruthcomeoutblog.wordpress.com/2017/... (show quote)


Not a good source.

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Mar 29, 2021 23:41:31   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
That top entry is from clicking on the new member's self-identifying link, Rose...

- his own information that clarifies where he, Troy Salinger, is coming from.

I didn't mean it as a recommendation.

The addendum is from Wikipedia, which I failed to identify, sorry.

It too, is basic secular info, NOT a spiritual recommendation...

Some days, I expect others to read my mind.

Thanks for your notation.


Rose42 wrote:
Not a good source.

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Mar 30, 2021 08:29:54   #
Rose42
 
Zemirah wrote:
That top entry is from clicking on the new member's self-identifying link, Rose...

- his own information that clarifies where he, Troy Salinger, is coming from.

I didn't mean it as a recommendation.

The addendum is from Wikipedia, which I failed to identify, sorry.

It too, is basic secular info, NOT a spiritual recommendation...

Some days, I expect others to read my mind.

Thanks for your notation.
That top entry is from clicking on the new member'... (show quote)


Well...I didn't communicate too well. I meant the blog was not a good source of information because I looked into it too. I didn't mean what you posted wasn't a good source.

I know you didn't mean it as a recommendation and I should have explained what I meant. Sorry about the confusion.

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Mar 30, 2021 09:12:48   #
troysal Loc: Picayune MS
 
Rose42 wrote:
Not a good source.


That's like a Democrat warning people to not go to a Replublican website for information because it is not a good source - purely subjective.

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Mar 30, 2021 09:13:56   #
Rose42
 
troysal wrote:
That's like a Democrat warning people to not go to a Replublican website for information because it is not a good source - purely subjective.


Thats not a correct analogy.

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Mar 30, 2021 09:22:02   #
troysal Loc: Picayune MS
 
Rose42 wrote:
Thats not a correct analogy.


Of course it is, the point being that your statement is merely your subjective opinion based on what you believe.

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Mar 30, 2021 09:29:54   #
Rose42
 
troysal wrote:
Of course it is, the point being that your statement is merely your subjective opinion based on what you believe.


No it isn’t no matter how much you want it to be.

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Mar 30, 2021 09:33:20   #
troysal Loc: Picayune MS
 
Rose42 wrote:
No it isn’t no matter how much you want it to be.


That's not much of an argument.

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Mar 31, 2021 21:09:06   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
The truth doesn't require many syllables.
Truth is the self-expression of God. That is the biblical meaning of truth.
Because the definition of truth flows from God, truth is theological.
Truth is also ontological - which is a way of saying it is the way things really are.

The absolute truth is both obtainable, knowable, and infinitely valuable.
God's truth and God's Son are completely inseparable.
This is because Jesus is "the Word became flesh [who] dwelt among us… full of grace and truth" (John 1:14).

He is the walking, talking, living, breathing, word of God incarnate.

God's Word is truth. (John 17:17)

The Bible is not simply true, but the truth, and embraces under the promise of the Spirit of Truth, New and Old Testament alike.
"Holy men of God spake as they were moved" by Him; He guided the apostles "into all truth."

How is it possible to

1) "hold to the Bible as God's word" and to

2) "believe Jesus is His {God's} human Son?"

That is an oxymoron.



troysal wrote:
That's not much of an argument.



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Apr 1, 2021 11:45:05   #
troysal Loc: Picayune MS
 
Zemirah,

I appreciate your obvious love of the truth and God's word, but you are putting things together in a way that really doesn't work. According to your logic 1) God's word is truth 2) the Bible is God's word 3) Jesus is the truth, therefore 4) Jesus = the Bible. That doesn't make much sense. Truth is whatever is reality as God created it. 2+2=4 is truth because in God's world that is reality, yet the Bible never says 2+2=4. When it comes to theological truth, yes I believe only the scripture is a sure guide, but only if it is rightly understood. The reason their are so many conflicting ideas of theology, all based on the Bible, is because not everyone is understanding it correctly, obviously. So the 'truth' for each becomes what they assume the Bible is saying. Many, rather than searching out for themselves, just accept the prevailing traditions as the 'truth' because it's easier that way.

You said: How is it possible to

1) "hold to the Bible as God's word" and to

2) "believe Jesus is His {God's} human Son?"

The answer is because God's word says that Jesus is God's human son. There's no oxymoron. If you really knew the scriptures you would know this.

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Apr 2, 2021 00:33:53   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
If you really knew the Bible, you would agree with me.

Hermeneutics (Greek word hermeneuo, - to explain or interpret) is the branch of theology that focuses on identifying and applying sound principles of biblical interpretation.

In the history of biblical interpretation, four major types of hermeneutics have emerged: the literal, moral, allegorical, and anagogical.

Literal interpretation asserts that a biblical text is to be interpreted according to the "plain meaning" "the obvious meaning" "the literal meaning" "the historically accurate meaning" conveyed by its grammatical construction and historical context.

"Your truth and "my truth" is psychobabble.

God has only one truth.


troysal wrote:
Zemirah,

I appreciate your obvious love of the truth and God's word, but you are putting things together in a way that really doesn't work. According to your logic 1) God's word is truth 2) the Bible is God's word 3) Jesus is the truth, therefore 4) Jesus = the Bible. That doesn't make much sense. Truth is whatever is reality as God created it. 2+2=4 is truth because in God's world that is reality, yet the Bible never says 2+2=4. When it comes to theological truth, yes I believe only the scripture is a sure guide, but only if it is rightly understood. The reason their are so many conflicting ideas of theology, all based on the Bible, is because not everyone is understanding it correctly, obviously. So the 'truth' for each becomes what they assume the Bible is saying. Many, rather than searching out for themselves, just accept the prevailing traditions as the 'truth' because it's easier that way.

You said: How is it possible to

1) "hold to the Bible as God's word" and to

2) "believe Jesus is His {God's} human Son?"

The answer is because God's word says that Jesus is God's human son. There's no oxymoron. If you really knew the scriptures you would know this.
Zemirah, br br I appreciate your obvious love of ... (show quote)

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Apr 2, 2021 08:51:21   #
troysal Loc: Picayune MS
 
Zemirah,

It is rather naive of you to think that your 'truth' is arrived at purely according to the "plain" or "obvious" meaning of the text, as if you have not been influenced (it's called indoctrination) to read the scriptures in a certain way.

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