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grazeem Loc: Arizona

If you read the artical, below is the key.


"It is important to note that the law does not guarantee workers the right to actually use the comp time they get instead of extra pay. Employers can put it off forever. You can't use this time when you want to, only when the employer decides it is okay."

It is just another way for big business to screw employees.

PoliticalOrphan

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the very
reason I mistrust everything the Republican party does. They continually work to screw the working people and middle class in favor of further enriching corporate interests. Always have, always will. They want to take us back to the 1920's. So, if opposing this kind of thinking, to my dying breath, makes me a flaming liberal, so be it. I am conservative on all social issues, but I will never be "conservative" on this kind of question. So, take it or leave it, this is why I am pro-union.

raydan

OK, malcontents with business so start your own business. Otherwise it is just more carping.

PoliticalOrphan

B.S. - this is typical Republican crap. If everyone had a business, which you know is impossible, very few would have customers. Now we have a situation where hundreds of thousands are without work, and have little prospect of that changing soon. And the Repub solution? Make the remaining workers work longer hours for the same pay, instead of working them 40 hrs. and creating jobs for the jobless. And of course, since most people are worried about losing their jobs, this is the perfect time to screw them over by not paying them overtime, offering them instead the illusory comp time. The 40 hr. week and overtime have been a part of the American system for many decades and have worked to everyone's advantage. Since you seem nostalgic for the good ole' Depression days, I hope you wind up selling apples on a street corner.

mmccarty12 Loc: Zionsville, Indiana

I agree this is the most glaring flaw with the bill. The fact the comp time is not guaranteed. If it was not for this I would be all for it.

Take this into consideration. Many employers are cutting back to part-time only employees due to the "wonderful" institution of Obamacare.
I have never worked anywhere in which the employer paid overtime for working over 8 hours in one day, only when working more than 40 hours in one week.
Taking away the 40 hour work week overtime requirement is a moot point for most people in that case.


The best way for people to get big business to stop screwing workers, as you put it, is to quit working for them. Eventually, they will have to change their practices to entice employees to stay.

As long as people 1) continue to work for bad businesses and 2) consumers continue to buy the products of bad businesses (to me this one is key), businesses will try to take every advantage they can. Start your own business and see if you do not do the same.


If the Democrats had introduced this bill, would this comment be the same? And do not try and tell me the Democrats would not have introduced it, they are just as much in the pockets of big business as every other political party.
Regardless of who introduced the bill, as written, it is bad.

PoliticalOrphan

mmccarty12 - If the Democrats had introduced the bill, I would have felt the same, or worse, since I expect this sort of thing from the Repubs. Your suggestion that people quit their jobs if they work for a bad company is beyond ludicrous. I know people who are putting up with things at work they would never have stood for 20 yrs. ago. They know there is not likely another job waiting for them. The corporate honchos are also fully aware of this and are taking advantage of it. You said I would do the same if I had a business. I hope I am better than that. It's also wrong to say that a 40 hr.+ overtime requirement is a moot point. If companies could work present employees 70 hrs. a week at straight time, they would never create new jobs, and pay for the benefits of new employees. America will NEVER make a full recovery until the middle class is restored to something close to economic health. I could quote a raft of figures to illustrate this, but don't have the space or time. As far as the comp time question goes, I have had some experience with it, and it will never be good, no matter how it's written. You will never, in most cases, get to use the time when you want it, only when the boss wants to give it to you. Think about the factory collapse in Bangladesh that k**led over 1,000 workers. This is the ultimate end of unfettered corporate greed. When you try to say that corporations will automatically do the right thing, you are living in fantasy land. America must care about the middle class worker, or we will NEVER be economically strong again. There are not enough of the wealthy to buy all the products we could, or should, produce. Yes, people should care about the success of the company they work for, and they will if they are being treated like valued assets, not disposable tools.

MannyB

Obama is following the example set by Maduro (the vice-King of Venezuela) Those are the ideas of the Castros. If no one works everybody will be happy. Only some collateral distractions as Economy in ruins and generalized poverty. Nothing to sweat too much.

grazeem Loc: Arizona

Orphan:

I couldn't have said it as well.

Manny:

You have to get off the soap box, about Obama taking orders from Castro, or Manduro. Obama is not a socialist.

It makes you look like the guy, in the back half of the joke about cigars,

where they give a wise man time to think,

and gives him something to stick in your mouth.

mmccarty12 Loc: Zionsville, Indiana

It is not wrong to say that the 40+ hour overtime pay requirement is moot when employers are cutting back on full-time employees and cutting employee hours to less than 40 hours. The law is still in place for those times when an employer does require an employee, part-time or full-time, to work over 40 hours when it comes to over-time pay, which is what my comment was about, if not clearly stated for you.


So you are telling me that the feds would not impose some sort of penalty on employers for not allowing the use of comp time?
If the employer gives an employee comp time in lieu of overtime pay, the government is denied tax dollars.
If the employer allows the employee to use the comp time, the government is denied tax dollars.
If the employer gives the comp time but does not allow the employee to use it, the government is denied tax dollars.
As I have not read the bill and really have no desire to read it, I am salaried so get screwed anyway,

Especially since the government is not getting anything from the denial of use of comp time and nothing from the institution of comp time if the legislation is passed. They are not collecting taxes from over-time pay. And we all know how the government loves to eke out all the tax money they can get, deserved or no.

I imply US Workers working in US companies on US soil, and you through Bangladesh out. Another country, another set of rules and while not totally applicable, is about 95% inapplicable. The only reason US companies move overseas for cheap labor is the American consumer refuses to see what is going on. Again, if it is a bad company, endorsing bad practices, STOP purchasing the goods and services.

And if I am living in such a fantasy land, why do so many people still believe c*******m and/or socialism is a great way to govern the people when we have world-wide proof that in those governments, only the governors are better off, and the governed always end up in a state worse than before the new government came into power?

Looking back at history, even a representative republic is bound to fail when the citizenry stop taking an interest in what their governors are doing. As it was the closest thing to what we have, look at Rome.

MannyB

He is not a Socialist but associates himself with Bill Ayers, Sal Alinsky, and all the members of the c*******t parties every where. Pure coincidence, uh?

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

I have not read the bill and do not have a dog in this race; however, have acquaintance with several working Moms.

They are employed with companies where you accrue vacation and sick leave and can choose comp time for overtime work. They are choosing comp time to avoid using sick leave or vacation for kid issues. As an example, rather then use sick leave for pediatric appointments they utilize an hour or two of comp time. To attend daytime school events, they utilize comp time so as to continue accruing leave for major needs.

grazeem Loc: Arizona

Again you are confusing terms.

Socialism, is not c*******m, you use the terms interchangably.

Definition of SOCIALISM


1

: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods


2

a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3

: a stage of society in Marxist theory t***sitional between capitalism and c*******m and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

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com·mu·nism
noun \ˈkäm-yə-ˌni-zəm, -yü-\
a: a theory advocating elimination of private property

b: a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed

PoliticalOrphan

AuntiE - In the instances you speak of, comp time may be a good thing, especially if the woman is working to supplement her husband's income. But if the man is the sole, or main, source of income for the family, he may need all the overtime he can get, in order to furnish his family an acceptable standard of living, especially if he is on the lower end of hourly pay.

PoliticalOrphan

mmccarty12-You make a valid point about employers cutting back to part-time for many employees. But to say it's all because of "Obamacare" is incorrect. Many companies were taking this tack before the Healthcare Act was passed, the most notable example being Walmart.