28 reasons not to take the experimental treatment being marketed as a v*****e: This has been called the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race. SEE IF you relate...

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

This has been called the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race. SEE IF you relate to some, if not all, of the issues I put forth, as to why I refuse to roll up my sleeve for Big Pharma’s unproven, untested experimental gene therapy?

1) It’s not a v*****e: A v*****e by definition provides immunity to a disease. This does not provide immunity to anything. In a best-case scenario, it merely reduces the chance of getting a severe case of a v***s if one catches it. Hence, it is a medical treatment, not a v*****e. I do not want to take a medical treatment for an illness I do not have.

2) The drug companies, politicians, medical establishment, and media have joined forces to universally refer to this as a v*****e when it is not one: Their intention appears to be to manipulate people into feeling safer about undergoing a medical treatment. Because they are being deceitful, I do not trust them, and want nothing to do with their medical treatment.

3) The presumed benefits of this medical treatment are minimal and would not last long in any case: P****r’s CEO admitted last week people will need annual booster shots, presumably for the rest of their lives. And the establishment acknowledges this and is already talking about additional shots and ever-increasing numbers of new “v*****es” that would be required on a regular basis. I refuse to turn myself into a chronic patient who receives injections of new pharmaceutical products on a regular basis simply to reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a v***s that these injections do not even prevent.

4) I can reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a v***s by strengthening my i****e s****m naturally: In the event I catch a v***s, there are vitamins and well-established drugs that have had wonderful results in warding off the illness, without the risks and unknowns of this medical treatment.

5) The establishment insists this medical treatment is safe: They cannot possibly know this because the long-term effects are entirely unknown, and will not be known for many years. They may speculate it is safe, but it is disingenuous for them to make such a claim that cannot possibly be known. This is because the current v*****es being used in the U.S. have not been formally approved by the FDA. Rather, they’ve only received an e*******y use a***********n (EUA) while clinical trials continue. Because they are being disingenuous, I do not trust them, and I want no part of their treatment.

6) The drug companies have zero liability if anything goes wrong, and cannot be sued: Same for the politicians who are pushing this treatment. I will not inject myself with a new, experimental medical device when the people behind it accept no liability or responsibility if something goes wrong. I will not risk my health and my life when they refuse to risk anything.

7) United States citizens are part the world’s laboratory for this experimental treatment: I am not interested in being a guinea pig or donating my body to science.

8) The executives and board members at P****r are on record that they have not taken their own treatment, despite all the fanfare and assurances: They are claiming they would consider it unfair to “cut in line.” This is a preposterous excuse, and it takes an unbelievable amount of chutzpah to even say such a thing. Such a “line” is a figment of their own imagination. If they hogged a couple of injections for themselves no one would cry foul. In addition, billionaires with private jets and private islands are not known for waiting in line until hundreds of millions of peasants all over the world go first to receive anything these billionaires want for themselves.

9) The establishment media have accepted this preposterous excuse without question or concern: Moreover, they laud P****r’s executives for their supposed self-sacrifice in not taking their own experimental treatment until we go first. Since they consider us such fools, I do not trust them, and do not want their new treatment. They can have my place in line. I’ll go to the very back of the line.

10) Three facts that must be put together: 1) Bill Gates is touting these v*****es as essential to the survival of the human race; 2) Bill Gates believes the world has too many people and needs to be “depopulated”; 3) Bill Gates, perhaps the richest man in the world, has also not been injected, no rush. Uh, no. I’ll pass on any medical treatments he wants me to take.

11) The establishment has been entirely one-sided in celebrating this treatment: The politicians and media are urging people to take it as both a moral and civic duty. The benefits of the treatment are being greatly exaggerated, the risks are being ignored, and the unknowns are being brushed aside. Because they are being deceitful and manipulative, I will not gamble my personal wellbeing on their integrity.

12) There is an intense propaganda campaign for people to take this treatment: Politicians and celebrities are taking selfies of themselves getting injected (perhaps in some cases pretending to get injected). The media is hyping this as the coolest, smartest, most happy and fun thing to do. It is the most widespread marketing campaign in history. This is not at all appropriate for any medical treatment, let alone a brand new one, and it makes me recoil.

13) The masses are following in tow, posting pictures of themselves getting injected with a drug, feeding the mass peer pressure to do the same: There is something very alarming and sick about this, and I want no part of it. I never took drugs just because “everyone’s doing it” and it’s cool. I’m certainly not going to start now.

14) Those who raise concerns about this medical treatment are being bullied, slandered, mocked, censored, ostracized, threatened, and fired from their jobs: This includes medical professionals who have science-based concerns about the drug and caregivers who have witnessed people under their charge suffering horrible reactions and death shortly after being injected. When the establishment is purging good people, who risk everything simply to raise concerns about a new medical treatment — even if they don’t outright oppose it — I will trust these brave people over the establishment every time. I cannot think of a single similar case in history when t***h and morality turned out to be on the side of the establishment.

15) This is the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race

16) It is purposely not being portrayed as the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race: And the fact that it is a medical experiment at all is being severely downplayed.

17) If they were up front with the masses, very few would agree to participate in such an experiment: Manipulating the masses to participate in a medical experiment under false pretenses violates the foundations of medical ethics and democratic law. I will not allow unethical people who engage in such conduct to inject me with anything.

18) The medical establishment is not informing people about any of this: They have become marketing agents for an experimental drug, serving huge companies and politicians who have made deals with them. This is a direct conflict with their mandate to concern themselves exclusively with the wellbeing of the people under their care. Since the medical establishment has become corrupted, and has become nothing more than a corporate and political tool, I do not trust the experimental drug they want so badly to inject me with.

19) We are being pressured in various ways to get injected, which violates medical ethics and the foundations of democratic society: It also violates the Nuremberg Code established after World War II. The best way to get me not to do something is to pressure me to do it.

20) The government has sealed their protocol related to the v***s and treatments: This is information that the public has a right to know, and the government has a responsibility to share. What are they covering up? Do they really expect me to believe everything is on “the-up-and-up” about all this, and that they are concerned first and foremost with my health?

21) The establishment has recruited doctors, pastors, priests, rabbis, the media, and the masses to harangue people who don’t want to get injected with a new drug: We are being called the worst sort of names. We are being told that we believe in crazy conspiracies, that we are against science, that we are selfish, that we are murderers, that we don’t care about the elderly, that it’s our fault that the government continues to impose draconian restrictions on the public. It’s all because we don’t want to get injected with an experimental treatment, no questions asked. We are even being told that we have a religious obligation to do this, and that we are grave sinners if we do not. They say that if we do not agree to get injected, we should be forced to stay inside our homes forever and be ostracized from public life. This is horrific, d********g, a perversion of common sense, morality, and the Bible. It makes me recoil, and only further cements my distrust of these people and my opposition to taking their experimental drug. How dare they?

22) I know of many people who got injected, but none of them studied the science in depth, carefully weighed the potential benefits against the risks, compared this option to other alternatives, was truly informed, and decided this medical treatment was the best option for them: On the contrary, they got injected because of the hype, the propaganda, the pressure, the fear, blind trust in what “the majority of experts” supposedly believed (assuming THEY all studied everything in depth and were completely objective, which is highly dubious), blind trust in what certain influential rabbis urged them to do (ditto the above), or hysterical fear that the only option was getting injected or getting seriously ill from the v***s. When I see mass hysteria and cult-like behavior surrounding a medical treatment, I will be extremely suspicious and avoid it.

23) The drug companies have a long and glorious history of causing mass carnage with wonder drugs they thrust on unsuspecting populations, even after serious problems had already become known: Instead of pressing the pause button and halting the marketing of these drugs until these issues could be properly investigated, the drug companies did everything in their power to suppress the information and keep pushing their products. When companies and people have demonstrated such gross lack of concern for human life, I will not trust them when they hype a new wonder drug. This isn’t our first rodeo.

24) Indeed, the horror stories are already coming in at warp speed, but the politicians are not the least bit concerned, the medical establishment is brushing them aside as unrelated or negligible, the media is ignoring it, the drug companies are steaming ahead at full speed, and those who raise a red f**g continue to be bullied, censored, and punished: Clearly my life and my wellbeing are not their primary concern. I will not be their next laboratory guinea pig. I will not risk being the next “coincidence.”

25) Although many people have died shortly after getting injected — including perfectly healthy young people — we are not allowed to imply that the injection had anything to do with it: Somehow this is anti-science and will cause more people to die. I believe that denying any possible link, abusing people who speculate that there might be a link, and demonstrating not the slightest curiosity to even explore if there might be a link is what is anti-science and could very well cause more people to die. These same people believe I am obligated to get injected as well. No freaking thanks. The latest statistics show more than 1,100 have died in the U.S. alone.

26) I am repulsed by the religious, idolatrous, cult-like worship of a pharmaceutical product, and will not participate in this ritual

27) My “healthcare” provider keeps badgering me to get injected, yet they have provided me no information on this treatment or any possible alternatives: Everything I know I learned from others outside the establishment. Informed consent has become conformed consent. I decline.

28) I see all the lies, corruption, propaganda, manipulation, censorship, bullying, violation of medical ethics, lack of integrity in the scientific process, suppression of inconvenient adverse reactions, dismissal of legitimate concerns, hysteria, cult-like behavior, ignorance, closed-mindedness, fear, medical and political tyranny, concealment of protocols, lack of true concern for human life, lack of respect for basic human rights and freedoms, perversion of the Bible and common sense, demonization of good people, the greatest medical experiment of all time being conducted by greedy, untrustworthy, godless people, the lack of liability for those who demand I risk everything… I see all this and I have decided they can all have my place in line: I will put my trust in God. I will use the mind He blessed me with and trust my natural instincts. Which led to this final reason which sums up why I will not get “v******ted.”

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Parky60 wrote:

This has been called the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race. SEE IF you relate to some, if not all, of the issues I put forth, as to why I refuse to roll up my sleeve for Big Pharma’s unproven, untested experimental gene therapy?

1) It’s not a v*****e: A v*****e by definition provides immunity to a disease. This does not provide immunity to anything. In a best-case scenario, it merely reduces the chance of getting a severe case of a v***s if one catches it. Hence, it is a medical treatment, not a v*****e. I do not want to take a medical treatment for an illness I do not have.

2) The drug companies, politicians, medical establishment, and media have joined forces to universally refer to this as a v*****e when it is not one: Their intention appears to be to manipulate people into feeling safer about undergoing a medical treatment. Because they are being deceitful, I do not trust them, and want nothing to do with their medical treatment.

3) The presumed benefits of this medical treatment are minimal and would not last long in any case: P****r’s CEO admitted last week people will need annual booster shots, presumably for the rest of their lives. And the establishment acknowledges this and is already talking about additional shots and ever-increasing numbers of new “v*****es” that would be required on a regular basis. I refuse to turn myself into a chronic patient who receives injections of new pharmaceutical products on a regular basis simply to reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a v***s that these injections do not even prevent.

4) I can reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a v***s by strengthening my i****e s****m naturally: In the event I catch a v***s, there are vitamins and well-established drugs that have had wonderful results in warding off the illness, without the risks and unknowns of this medical treatment.

5) The establishment insists this medical treatment is safe: They cannot possibly know this because the long-term effects are entirely unknown, and will not be known for many years. They may speculate it is safe, but it is disingenuous for them to make such a claim that cannot possibly be known. This is because the current v*****es being used in the U.S. have not been formally approved by the FDA. Rather, they’ve only received an e*******y use a***********n (EUA) while clinical trials continue. Because they are being disingenuous, I do not trust them, and I want no part of their treatment.

6) The drug companies have zero liability if anything goes wrong, and cannot be sued: Same for the politicians who are pushing this treatment. I will not inject myself with a new, experimental medical device when the people behind it accept no liability or responsibility if something goes wrong. I will not risk my health and my life when they refuse to risk anything.

7) United States citizens are part the world’s laboratory for this experimental treatment: I am not interested in being a guinea pig or donating my body to science.

8) The executives and board members at P****r are on record that they have not taken their own treatment, despite all the fanfare and assurances: They are claiming they would consider it unfair to “cut in line.” This is a preposterous excuse, and it takes an unbelievable amount of chutzpah to even say such a thing. Such a “line” is a figment of their own imagination. If they hogged a couple of injections for themselves no one would cry foul. In addition, billionaires with private jets and private islands are not known for waiting in line until hundreds of millions of peasants all over the world go first to receive anything these billionaires want for themselves.

9) The establishment media have accepted this preposterous excuse without question or concern: Moreover, they laud P****r’s executives for their supposed self-sacrifice in not taking their own experimental treatment until we go first. Since they consider us such fools, I do not trust them, and do not want their new treatment. They can have my place in line. I’ll go to the very back of the line.

10) Three facts that must be put together: 1) Bill Gates is touting these v*****es as essential to the survival of the human race; 2) Bill Gates believes the world has too many people and needs to be “depopulated”; 3) Bill Gates, perhaps the richest man in the world, has also not been injected, no rush. Uh, no. I’ll pass on any medical treatments he wants me to take.

11) The establishment has been entirely one-sided in celebrating this treatment: The politicians and media are urging people to take it as both a moral and civic duty. The benefits of the treatment are being greatly exaggerated, the risks are being ignored, and the unknowns are being brushed aside. Because they are being deceitful and manipulative, I will not gamble my personal wellbeing on their integrity.

12) There is an intense propaganda campaign for people to take this treatment: Politicians and celebrities are taking selfies of themselves getting injected (perhaps in some cases pretending to get injected). The media is hyping this as the coolest, smartest, most happy and fun thing to do. It is the most widespread marketing campaign in history. This is not at all appropriate for any medical treatment, let alone a brand new one, and it makes me recoil.

13) The masses are following in tow, posting pictures of themselves getting injected with a drug, feeding the mass peer pressure to do the same: There is something very alarming and sick about this, and I want no part of it. I never took drugs just because “everyone’s doing it” and it’s cool. I’m certainly not going to start now.

14) Those who raise concerns about this medical treatment are being bullied, slandered, mocked, censored, ostracized, threatened, and fired from their jobs: This includes medical professionals who have science-based concerns about the drug and caregivers who have witnessed people under their charge suffering horrible reactions and death shortly after being injected. When the establishment is purging good people, who risk everything simply to raise concerns about a new medical treatment — even if they don’t outright oppose it — I will trust these brave people over the establishment every time. I cannot think of a single similar case in history when t***h and morality turned out to be on the side of the establishment.

15) This is the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race

16) It is purposely not being portrayed as the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race: And the fact that it is a medical experiment at all is being severely downplayed.

17) If they were up front with the masses, very few would agree to participate in such an experiment: Manipulating the masses to participate in a medical experiment under false pretenses violates the foundations of medical ethics and democratic law. I will not allow unethical people who engage in such conduct to inject me with anything.

18) The medical establishment is not informing people about any of this: They have become marketing agents for an experimental drug, serving huge companies and politicians who have made deals with them. This is a direct conflict with their mandate to concern themselves exclusively with the wellbeing of the people under their care. Since the medical establishment has become corrupted, and has become nothing more than a corporate and political tool, I do not trust the experimental drug they want so badly to inject me with.

19) We are being pressured in various ways to get injected, which violates medical ethics and the foundations of democratic society: It also violates the Nuremberg Code established after World War II. The best way to get me not to do something is to pressure me to do it.

20) The government has sealed their protocol related to the v***s and treatments: This is information that the public has a right to know, and the government has a responsibility to share. What are they covering up? Do they really expect me to believe everything is on “the-up-and-up” about all this, and that they are concerned first and foremost with my health?

21) The establishment has recruited doctors, pastors, priests, rabbis, the media, and the masses to harangue people who don’t want to get injected with a new drug: We are being called the worst sort of names. We are being told that we believe in crazy conspiracies, that we are against science, that we are selfish, that we are murderers, that we don’t care about the elderly, that it’s our fault that the government continues to impose draconian restrictions on the public. It’s all because we don’t want to get injected with an experimental treatment, no questions asked. We are even being told that we have a religious obligation to do this, and that we are grave sinners if we do not. They say that if we do not agree to get injected, we should be forced to stay inside our homes forever and be ostracized from public life. This is horrific, d********g, a perversion of common sense, morality, and the Bible. It makes me recoil, and only further cements my distrust of these people and my opposition to taking their experimental drug. How dare they?

22) I know of many people who got injected, but none of them studied the science in depth, carefully weighed the potential benefits against the risks, compared this option to other alternatives, was truly informed, and decided this medical treatment was the best option for them: On the contrary, they got injected because of the hype, the propaganda, the pressure, the fear, blind trust in what “the majority of experts” supposedly believed (assuming THEY all studied everything in depth and were completely objective, which is highly dubious), blind trust in what certain influential rabbis urged them to do (ditto the above), or hysterical fear that the only option was getting injected or getting seriously ill from the v***s. When I see mass hysteria and cult-like behavior surrounding a medical treatment, I will be extremely suspicious and avoid it.

23) The drug companies have a long and glorious history of causing mass carnage with wonder drugs they thrust on unsuspecting populations, even after serious problems had already become known: Instead of pressing the pause button and halting the marketing of these drugs until these issues could be properly investigated, the drug companies did everything in their power to suppress the information and keep pushing their products. When companies and people have demonstrated such gross lack of concern for human life, I will not trust them when they hype a new wonder drug. This isn’t our first rodeo.

24) Indeed, the horror stories are already coming in at warp speed, but the politicians are not the least bit concerned, the medical establishment is brushing them aside as unrelated or negligible, the media is ignoring it, the drug companies are steaming ahead at full speed, and those who raise a red f**g continue to be bullied, censored, and punished: Clearly my life and my wellbeing are not their primary concern. I will not be their next laboratory guinea pig. I will not risk being the next “coincidence.”

25) Although many people have died shortly after getting injected — including perfectly healthy young people — we are not allowed to imply that the injection had anything to do with it: Somehow this is anti-science and will cause more people to die. I believe that denying any possible link, abusing people who speculate that there might be a link, and demonstrating not the slightest curiosity to even explore if there might be a link is what is anti-science and could very well cause more people to die. These same people believe I am obligated to get injected as well. No freaking thanks. The latest statistics show more than 1,100 have died in the U.S. alone.

26) I am repulsed by the religious, idolatrous, cult-like worship of a pharmaceutical product, and will not participate in this ritual

27) My “healthcare” provider keeps badgering me to get injected, yet they have provided me no information on this treatment or any possible alternatives: Everything I know I learned from others outside the establishment. Informed consent has become conformed consent. I decline.

28) I see all the lies, corruption, propaganda, manipulation, censorship, bullying, violation of medical ethics, lack of integrity in the scientific process, suppression of inconvenient adverse reactions, dismissal of legitimate concerns, hysteria, cult-like behavior, ignorance, closed-mindedness, fear, medical and political tyranny, concealment of protocols, lack of true concern for human life, lack of respect for basic human rights and freedoms, perversion of the Bible and common sense, demonization of good people, the greatest medical experiment of all time being conducted by greedy, untrustworthy, godless people, the lack of liability for those who demand I risk everything… I see all this and I have decided they can all have my place in line: I will put my trust in God. I will use the mind He blessed me with and trust my natural instincts. Which led to this final reason which sums up why I will not get “v******ted.”

This has been called the greatest medical experime... (show quote)

I see your reasoning and concern..

considering the great roll trump played in getting this "warp speed" first ever program done with all the controls omitted, your concern and fears are well founded. And with trump not actually revealing his v******tion or non.. you do have a case to worry.. the first part of you investigation should be to find out what trump return will be on this programs.. chance are it is well covered by a holding company or several.. but surch well and you could easily be the one to rat him out so to speak..

good luck in your crusade and stay well..

grit your teeth....
grit your teeth.......

TrueAmerican

Parky60 wrote:

This has been called the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race. SEE IF you relate to some, if not all, of the issues I put forth, as to why I refuse to roll up my sleeve for Big Pharma’s unproven, untested experimental gene therapy?

1) It’s not a v*****e: A v*****e by definition provides immunity to a disease. This does not provide immunity to anything. In a best-case scenario, it merely reduces the chance of getting a severe case of a v***s if one catches it. Hence, it is a medical treatment, not a v*****e. I do not want to take a medical treatment for an illness I do not have.

2) The drug companies, politicians, medical establishment, and media have joined forces to universally refer to this as a v*****e when it is not one: Their intention appears to be to manipulate people into feeling safer about undergoing a medical treatment. Because they are being deceitful, I do not trust them, and want nothing to do with their medical treatment.

3) The presumed benefits of this medical treatment are minimal and would not last long in any case: P****r’s CEO admitted last week people will need annual booster shots, presumably for the rest of their lives. And the establishment acknowledges this and is already talking about additional shots and ever-increasing numbers of new “v*****es” that would be required on a regular basis. I refuse to turn myself into a chronic patient who receives injections of new pharmaceutical products on a regular basis simply to reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a v***s that these injections do not even prevent.

4) I can reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a v***s by strengthening my i****e s****m naturally: In the event I catch a v***s, there are vitamins and well-established drugs that have had wonderful results in warding off the illness, without the risks and unknowns of this medical treatment.

5) The establishment insists this medical treatment is safe: They cannot possibly know this because the long-term effects are entirely unknown, and will not be known for many years. They may speculate it is safe, but it is disingenuous for them to make such a claim that cannot possibly be known. This is because the current v*****es being used in the U.S. have not been formally approved by the FDA. Rather, they’ve only received an e*******y use a***********n (EUA) while clinical trials continue. Because they are being disingenuous, I do not trust them, and I want no part of their treatment.

6) The drug companies have zero liability if anything goes wrong, and cannot be sued: Same for the politicians who are pushing this treatment. I will not inject myself with a new, experimental medical device when the people behind it accept no liability or responsibility if something goes wrong. I will not risk my health and my life when they refuse to risk anything.

7) United States citizens are part the world’s laboratory for this experimental treatment: I am not interested in being a guinea pig or donating my body to science.

8) The executives and board members at P****r are on record that they have not taken their own treatment, despite all the fanfare and assurances: They are claiming they would consider it unfair to “cut in line.” This is a preposterous excuse, and it takes an unbelievable amount of chutzpah to even say such a thing. Such a “line” is a figment of their own imagination. If they hogged a couple of injections for themselves no one would cry foul. In addition, billionaires with private jets and private islands are not known for waiting in line until hundreds of millions of peasants all over the world go first to receive anything these billionaires want for themselves.

9) The establishment media have accepted this preposterous excuse without question or concern: Moreover, they laud P****r’s executives for their supposed self-sacrifice in not taking their own experimental treatment until we go first. Since they consider us such fools, I do not trust them, and do not want their new treatment. They can have my place in line. I’ll go to the very back of the line.

10) Three facts that must be put together: 1) Bill Gates is touting these v*****es as essential to the survival of the human race; 2) Bill Gates believes the world has too many people and needs to be “depopulated”; 3) Bill Gates, perhaps the richest man in the world, has also not been injected, no rush. Uh, no. I’ll pass on any medical treatments he wants me to take.

11) The establishment has been entirely one-sided in celebrating this treatment: The politicians and media are urging people to take it as both a moral and civic duty. The benefits of the treatment are being greatly exaggerated, the risks are being ignored, and the unknowns are being brushed aside. Because they are being deceitful and manipulative, I will not gamble my personal wellbeing on their integrity.

12) There is an intense propaganda campaign for people to take this treatment: Politicians and celebrities are taking selfies of themselves getting injected (perhaps in some cases pretending to get injected). The media is hyping this as the coolest, smartest, most happy and fun thing to do. It is the most widespread marketing campaign in history. This is not at all appropriate for any medical treatment, let alone a brand new one, and it makes me recoil.

13) The masses are following in tow, posting pictures of themselves getting injected with a drug, feeding the mass peer pressure to do the same: There is something very alarming and sick about this, and I want no part of it. I never took drugs just because “everyone’s doing it” and it’s cool. I’m certainly not going to start now.

14) Those who raise concerns about this medical treatment are being bullied, slandered, mocked, censored, ostracized, threatened, and fired from their jobs: This includes medical professionals who have science-based concerns about the drug and caregivers who have witnessed people under their charge suffering horrible reactions and death shortly after being injected. When the establishment is purging good people, who risk everything simply to raise concerns about a new medical treatment — even if they don’t outright oppose it — I will trust these brave people over the establishment every time. I cannot think of a single similar case in history when t***h and morality turned out to be on the side of the establishment.

15) This is the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race

16) It is purposely not being portrayed as the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race: And the fact that it is a medical experiment at all is being severely downplayed.

17) If they were up front with the masses, very few would agree to participate in such an experiment: Manipulating the masses to participate in a medical experiment under false pretenses violates the foundations of medical ethics and democratic law. I will not allow unethical people who engage in such conduct to inject me with anything.

18) The medical establishment is not informing people about any of this: They have become marketing agents for an experimental drug, serving huge companies and politicians who have made deals with them. This is a direct conflict with their mandate to concern themselves exclusively with the wellbeing of the people under their care. Since the medical establishment has become corrupted, and has become nothing more than a corporate and political tool, I do not trust the experimental drug they want so badly to inject me with.

19) We are being pressured in various ways to get injected, which violates medical ethics and the foundations of democratic society: It also violates the Nuremberg Code established after World War II. The best way to get me not to do something is to pressure me to do it.

20) The government has sealed their protocol related to the v***s and treatments: This is information that the public has a right to know, and the government has a responsibility to share. What are they covering up? Do they really expect me to believe everything is on “the-up-and-up” about all this, and that they are concerned first and foremost with my health?

21) The establishment has recruited doctors, pastors, priests, rabbis, the media, and the masses to harangue people who don’t want to get injected with a new drug: We are being called the worst sort of names. We are being told that we believe in crazy conspiracies, that we are against science, that we are selfish, that we are murderers, that we don’t care about the elderly, that it’s our fault that the government continues to impose draconian restrictions on the public. It’s all because we don’t want to get injected with an experimental treatment, no questions asked. We are even being told that we have a religious obligation to do this, and that we are grave sinners if we do not. They say that if we do not agree to get injected, we should be forced to stay inside our homes forever and be ostracized from public life. This is horrific, d********g, a perversion of common sense, morality, and the Bible. It makes me recoil, and only further cements my distrust of these people and my opposition to taking their experimental drug. How dare they?

22) I know of many people who got injected, but none of them studied the science in depth, carefully weighed the potential benefits against the risks, compared this option to other alternatives, was truly informed, and decided this medical treatment was the best option for them: On the contrary, they got injected because of the hype, the propaganda, the pressure, the fear, blind trust in what “the majority of experts” supposedly believed (assuming THEY all studied everything in depth and were completely objective, which is highly dubious), blind trust in what certain influential rabbis urged them to do (ditto the above), or hysterical fear that the only option was getting injected or getting seriously ill from the v***s. When I see mass hysteria and cult-like behavior surrounding a medical treatment, I will be extremely suspicious and avoid it.

23) The drug companies have a long and glorious history of causing mass carnage with wonder drugs they thrust on unsuspecting populations, even after serious problems had already become known: Instead of pressing the pause button and halting the marketing of these drugs until these issues could be properly investigated, the drug companies did everything in their power to suppress the information and keep pushing their products. When companies and people have demonstrated such gross lack of concern for human life, I will not trust them when they hype a new wonder drug. This isn’t our first rodeo.

24) Indeed, the horror stories are already coming in at warp speed, but the politicians are not the least bit concerned, the medical establishment is brushing them aside as unrelated or negligible, the media is ignoring it, the drug companies are steaming ahead at full speed, and those who raise a red f**g continue to be bullied, censored, and punished: Clearly my life and my wellbeing are not their primary concern. I will not be their next laboratory guinea pig. I will not risk being the next “coincidence.”

25) Although many people have died shortly after getting injected — including perfectly healthy young people — we are not allowed to imply that the injection had anything to do with it: Somehow this is anti-science and will cause more people to die. I believe that denying any possible link, abusing people who speculate that there might be a link, and demonstrating not the slightest curiosity to even explore if there might be a link is what is anti-science and could very well cause more people to die. These same people believe I am obligated to get injected as well. No freaking thanks. The latest statistics show more than 1,100 have died in the U.S. alone.

26) I am repulsed by the religious, idolatrous, cult-like worship of a pharmaceutical product, and will not participate in this ritual

27) My “healthcare” provider keeps badgering me to get injected, yet they have provided me no information on this treatment or any possible alternatives: Everything I know I learned from others outside the establishment. Informed consent has become conformed consent. I decline.

28) I see all the lies, corruption, propaganda, manipulation, censorship, bullying, violation of medical ethics, lack of integrity in the scientific process, suppression of inconvenient adverse reactions, dismissal of legitimate concerns, hysteria, cult-like behavior, ignorance, closed-mindedness, fear, medical and political tyranny, concealment of protocols, lack of true concern for human life, lack of respect for basic human rights and freedoms, perversion of the Bible and common sense, demonization of good people, the greatest medical experiment of all time being conducted by greedy, untrustworthy, godless people, the lack of liability for those who demand I risk everything… I see all this and I have decided they can all have my place in line: I will put my trust in God. I will use the mind He blessed me with and trust my natural instincts. Which led to this final reason which sums up why I will not get “v******ted.”

This has been called the greatest medical experime... (show quote)

Could not agree more, great post and a great deal more than the gov't has provided !!!!!!

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

Parky60 wrote:

This has been called the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race. SEE IF you relate to some, if not all, of the issues I put forth, as to why I refuse to roll up my sleeve for Big Pharma’s unproven, untested experimental gene therapy?

1) It’s not a v*****e: A v*****e by definition provides immunity to a disease. This does not provide immunity to anything. In a best-case scenario, it merely reduces the chance of getting a severe case of a v***s if one catches it. Hence, it is a medical treatment, not a v*****e. I do not want to take a medical treatment for an illness I do not have.

2) The drug companies, politicians, medical establishment, and media have joined forces to universally refer to this as a v*****e when it is not one: Their intention appears to be to manipulate people into feeling safer about undergoing a medical treatment. Because they are being deceitful, I do not trust them, and want nothing to do with their medical treatment.

3) The presumed benefits of this medical treatment are minimal and would not last long in any case: P****r’s CEO admitted last week people will need annual booster shots, presumably for the rest of their lives. And the establishment acknowledges this and is already talking about additional shots and ever-increasing numbers of new “v*****es” that would be required on a regular basis. I refuse to turn myself into a chronic patient who receives injections of new pharmaceutical products on a regular basis simply to reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a v***s that these injections do not even prevent.

4) I can reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a v***s by strengthening my i****e s****m naturally: In the event I catch a v***s, there are vitamins and well-established drugs that have had wonderful results in warding off the illness, without the risks and unknowns of this medical treatment.

5) The establishment insists this medical treatment is safe: They cannot possibly know this because the long-term effects are entirely unknown, and will not be known for many years. They may speculate it is safe, but it is disingenuous for them to make such a claim that cannot possibly be known. This is because the current v*****es being used in the U.S. have not been formally approved by the FDA. Rather, they’ve only received an e*******y use a***********n (EUA) while clinical trials continue. Because they are being disingenuous, I do not trust them, and I want no part of their treatment.

6) The drug companies have zero liability if anything goes wrong, and cannot be sued: Same for the politicians who are pushing this treatment. I will not inject myself with a new, experimental medical device when the people behind it accept no liability or responsibility if something goes wrong. I will not risk my health and my life when they refuse to risk anything.

7) United States citizens are part the world’s laboratory for this experimental treatment: I am not interested in being a guinea pig or donating my body to science.

8) The executives and board members at P****r are on record that they have not taken their own treatment, despite all the fanfare and assurances: They are claiming they would consider it unfair to “cut in line.” This is a preposterous excuse, and it takes an unbelievable amount of chutzpah to even say such a thing. Such a “line” is a figment of their own imagination. If they hogged a couple of injections for themselves no one would cry foul. In addition, billionaires with private jets and private islands are not known for waiting in line until hundreds of millions of peasants all over the world go first to receive anything these billionaires want for themselves.

9) The establishment media have accepted this preposterous excuse without question or concern: Moreover, they laud P****r’s executives for their supposed self-sacrifice in not taking their own experimental treatment until we go first. Since they consider us such fools, I do not trust them, and do not want their new treatment. They can have my place in line. I’ll go to the very back of the line.

10) Three facts that must be put together: 1) Bill Gates is touting these v*****es as essential to the survival of the human race; 2) Bill Gates believes the world has too many people and needs to be “depopulated”; 3) Bill Gates, perhaps the richest man in the world, has also not been injected, no rush. Uh, no. I’ll pass on any medical treatments he wants me to take.

11) The establishment has been entirely one-sided in celebrating this treatment: The politicians and media are urging people to take it as both a moral and civic duty. The benefits of the treatment are being greatly exaggerated, the risks are being ignored, and the unknowns are being brushed aside. Because they are being deceitful and manipulative, I will not gamble my personal wellbeing on their integrity.

12) There is an intense propaganda campaign for people to take this treatment: Politicians and celebrities are taking selfies of themselves getting injected (perhaps in some cases pretending to get injected). The media is hyping this as the coolest, smartest, most happy and fun thing to do. It is the most widespread marketing campaign in history. This is not at all appropriate for any medical treatment, let alone a brand new one, and it makes me recoil.

13) The masses are following in tow, posting pictures of themselves getting injected with a drug, feeding the mass peer pressure to do the same: There is something very alarming and sick about this, and I want no part of it. I never took drugs just because “everyone’s doing it” and it’s cool. I’m certainly not going to start now.

14) Those who raise concerns about this medical treatment are being bullied, slandered, mocked, censored, ostracized, threatened, and fired from their jobs: This includes medical professionals who have science-based concerns about the drug and caregivers who have witnessed people under their charge suffering horrible reactions and death shortly after being injected. When the establishment is purging good people, who risk everything simply to raise concerns about a new medical treatment — even if they don’t outright oppose it — I will trust these brave people over the establishment every time. I cannot think of a single similar case in history when t***h and morality turned out to be on the side of the establishment.

15) This is the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race

16) It is purposely not being portrayed as the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race: And the fact that it is a medical experiment at all is being severely downplayed.

17) If they were up front with the masses, very few would agree to participate in such an experiment: Manipulating the masses to participate in a medical experiment under false pretenses violates the foundations of medical ethics and democratic law. I will not allow unethical people who engage in such conduct to inject me with anything.

18) The medical establishment is not informing people about any of this: They have become marketing agents for an experimental drug, serving huge companies and politicians who have made deals with them. This is a direct conflict with their mandate to concern themselves exclusively with the wellbeing of the people under their care. Since the medical establishment has become corrupted, and has become nothing more than a corporate and political tool, I do not trust the experimental drug they want so badly to inject me with.

19) We are being pressured in various ways to get injected, which violates medical ethics and the foundations of democratic society: It also violates the Nuremberg Code established after World War II. The best way to get me not to do something is to pressure me to do it.

20) The government has sealed their protocol related to the v***s and treatments: This is information that the public has a right to know, and the government has a responsibility to share. What are they covering up? Do they really expect me to believe everything is on “the-up-and-up” about all this, and that they are concerned first and foremost with my health?

21) The establishment has recruited doctors, pastors, priests, rabbis, the media, and the masses to harangue people who don’t want to get injected with a new drug: We are being called the worst sort of names. We are being told that we believe in crazy conspiracies, that we are against science, that we are selfish, that we are murderers, that we don’t care about the elderly, that it’s our fault that the government continues to impose draconian restrictions on the public. It’s all because we don’t want to get injected with an experimental treatment, no questions asked. We are even being told that we have a religious obligation to do this, and that we are grave sinners if we do not. They say that if we do not agree to get injected, we should be forced to stay inside our homes forever and be ostracized from public life. This is horrific, d********g, a perversion of common sense, morality, and the Bible. It makes me recoil, and only further cements my distrust of these people and my opposition to taking their experimental drug. How dare they?

22) I know of many people who got injected, but none of them studied the science in depth, carefully weighed the potential benefits against the risks, compared this option to other alternatives, was truly informed, and decided this medical treatment was the best option for them: On the contrary, they got injected because of the hype, the propaganda, the pressure, the fear, blind trust in what “the majority of experts” supposedly believed (assuming THEY all studied everything in depth and were completely objective, which is highly dubious), blind trust in what certain influential rabbis urged them to do (ditto the above), or hysterical fear that the only option was getting injected or getting seriously ill from the v***s. When I see mass hysteria and cult-like behavior surrounding a medical treatment, I will be extremely suspicious and avoid it.

23) The drug companies have a long and glorious history of causing mass carnage with wonder drugs they thrust on unsuspecting populations, even after serious problems had already become known: Instead of pressing the pause button and halting the marketing of these drugs until these issues could be properly investigated, the drug companies did everything in their power to suppress the information and keep pushing their products. When companies and people have demonstrated such gross lack of concern for human life, I will not trust them when they hype a new wonder drug. This isn’t our first rodeo.

24) Indeed, the horror stories are already coming in at warp speed, but the politicians are not the least bit concerned, the medical establishment is brushing them aside as unrelated or negligible, the media is ignoring it, the drug companies are steaming ahead at full speed, and those who raise a red f**g continue to be bullied, censored, and punished: Clearly my life and my wellbeing are not their primary concern. I will not be their next laboratory guinea pig. I will not risk being the next “coincidence.”

25) Although many people have died shortly after getting injected — including perfectly healthy young people — we are not allowed to imply that the injection had anything to do with it: Somehow this is anti-science and will cause more people to die. I believe that denying any possible link, abusing people who speculate that there might be a link, and demonstrating not the slightest curiosity to even explore if there might be a link is what is anti-science and could very well cause more people to die. These same people believe I am obligated to get injected as well. No freaking thanks. The latest statistics show more than 1,100 have died in the U.S. alone.

26) I am repulsed by the religious, idolatrous, cult-like worship of a pharmaceutical product, and will not participate in this ritual

27) My “healthcare” provider keeps badgering me to get injected, yet they have provided me no information on this treatment or any possible alternatives: Everything I know I learned from others outside the establishment. Informed consent has become conformed consent. I decline.

28) I see all the lies, corruption, propaganda, manipulation, censorship, bullying, violation of medical ethics, lack of integrity in the scientific process, suppression of inconvenient adverse reactions, dismissal of legitimate concerns, hysteria, cult-like behavior, ignorance, closed-mindedness, fear, medical and political tyranny, concealment of protocols, lack of true concern for human life, lack of respect for basic human rights and freedoms, perversion of the Bible and common sense, demonization of good people, the greatest medical experiment of all time being conducted by greedy, untrustworthy, godless people, the lack of liability for those who demand I risk everything… I see all this and I have decided they can all have my place in line: I will put my trust in God. I will use the mind He blessed me with and trust my natural instincts. Which led to this final reason which sums up why I will not get “v******ted.”

This has been called the greatest medical experime... (show quote)

Most everyone is familiar with Alzheimer’s and Huntington’s disease. You may also know of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) which is a degenerative brain disorder that leads to dementia and, ultimately, death. Did you know that these are al Prion related diseases? The P****r RNA based C****-** v*****e was approved by the US FDA under an e*******y use a***********n without long term safety data. Because of concerns about the safety of this v*****e a study was performed to determine if the v*****e could potentially induce prion based disease. Take a look at this study and consider the risk benefits of the v*****e vs. using HCQ, Ivermectin, or nebulized hydrogen peroxide if you wind up getting infected with C***d.

https://scivisionpub.com/pdfs/c***d19-rna-based-v*****es-and-the-risk-of-prion-disease-1503.pdf

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

permafrost wrote:

I see your reasoning and concern.. br br conside... (show quote)

I see you are very prepared to give Trump blame if the v*****es go bad but for now are willing to give Biden credit for their current success. Pure democrat reasoning.

That being said, some of what the post says is true.

Hug

Parky60 wrote:

This has been called the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race. SEE IF you relate to some, if not all, of the issues I put forth, as to why I refuse to roll up my sleeve for Big Pharma’s unproven, untested experimental gene therapy?

1) It’s not a v*****e: A v*****e by definition provides immunity to a disease. This does not provide immunity to anything. In a best-case scenario, it merely reduces the chance of getting a severe case of a v***s if one catches it. Hence, it is a medical treatment, not a v*****e. I do not want to take a medical treatment for an illness I do not have.

2) The drug companies, politicians, medical establishment, and media have joined forces to universally refer to this as a v*****e when it is not one: Their intention appears to be to manipulate people into feeling safer about undergoing a medical treatment. Because they are being deceitful, I do not trust them, and want nothing to do with their medical treatment.

3) The presumed benefits of this medical treatment are minimal and would not last long in any case: P****r’s CEO admitted last week people will need annual booster shots, presumably for the rest of their lives. And the establishment acknowledges this and is already talking about additional shots and ever-increasing numbers of new “v*****es” that would be required on a regular basis. I refuse to turn myself into a chronic patient who receives injections of new pharmaceutical products on a regular basis simply to reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a v***s that these injections do not even prevent.

4) I can reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a v***s by strengthening my i****e s****m naturally: In the event I catch a v***s, there are vitamins and well-established drugs that have had wonderful results in warding off the illness, without the risks and unknowns of this medical treatment.

5) The establishment insists this medical treatment is safe: They cannot possibly know this because the long-term effects are entirely unknown, and will not be known for many years. They may speculate it is safe, but it is disingenuous for them to make such a claim that cannot possibly be known. This is because the current v*****es being used in the U.S. have not been formally approved by the FDA. Rather, they’ve only received an e*******y use a***********n (EUA) while clinical trials continue. Because they are being disingenuous, I do not trust them, and I want no part of their treatment.

6) The drug companies have zero liability if anything goes wrong, and cannot be sued: Same for the politicians who are pushing this treatment. I will not inject myself with a new, experimental medical device when the people behind it accept no liability or responsibility if something goes wrong. I will not risk my health and my life when they refuse to risk anything.

7) United States citizens are part the world’s laboratory for this experimental treatment: I am not interested in being a guinea pig or donating my body to science.

8) The executives and board members at P****r are on record that they have not taken their own treatment, despite all the fanfare and assurances: They are claiming they would consider it unfair to “cut in line.” This is a preposterous excuse, and it takes an unbelievable amount of chutzpah to even say such a thing. Such a “line” is a figment of their own imagination. If they hogged a couple of injections for themselves no one would cry foul. In addition, billionaires with private jets and private islands are not known for waiting in line until hundreds of millions of peasants all over the world go first to receive anything these billionaires want for themselves.

9) The establishment media have accepted this preposterous excuse without question or concern: Moreover, they laud P****r’s executives for their supposed self-sacrifice in not taking their own experimental treatment until we go first. Since they consider us such fools, I do not trust them, and do not want their new treatment. They can have my place in line. I’ll go to the very back of the line.

10) Three facts that must be put together: 1) Bill Gates is touting these v*****es as essential to the survival of the human race; 2) Bill Gates believes the world has too many people and needs to be “depopulated”; 3) Bill Gates, perhaps the richest man in the world, has also not been injected, no rush. Uh, no. I’ll pass on any medical treatments he wants me to take.

11) The establishment has been entirely one-sided in celebrating this treatment: The politicians and media are urging people to take it as both a moral and civic duty. The benefits of the treatment are being greatly exaggerated, the risks are being ignored, and the unknowns are being brushed aside. Because they are being deceitful and manipulative, I will not gamble my personal wellbeing on their integrity.

12) There is an intense propaganda campaign for people to take this treatment: Politicians and celebrities are taking selfies of themselves getting injected (perhaps in some cases pretending to get injected). The media is hyping this as the coolest, smartest, most happy and fun thing to do. It is the most widespread marketing campaign in history. This is not at all appropriate for any medical treatment, let alone a brand new one, and it makes me recoil.

13) The masses are following in tow, posting pictures of themselves getting injected with a drug, feeding the mass peer pressure to do the same: There is something very alarming and sick about this, and I want no part of it. I never took drugs just because “everyone’s doing it” and it’s cool. I’m certainly not going to start now.

14) Those who raise concerns about this medical treatment are being bullied, slandered, mocked, censored, ostracized, threatened, and fired from their jobs: This includes medical professionals who have science-based concerns about the drug and caregivers who have witnessed people under their charge suffering horrible reactions and death shortly after being injected. When the establishment is purging good people, who risk everything simply to raise concerns about a new medical treatment — even if they don’t outright oppose it — I will trust these brave people over the establishment every time. I cannot think of a single similar case in history when t***h and morality turned out to be on the side of the establishment.

15) This is the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race

16) It is purposely not being portrayed as the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race: And the fact that it is a medical experiment at all is being severely downplayed.

17) If they were up front with the masses, very few would agree to participate in such an experiment: Manipulating the masses to participate in a medical experiment under false pretenses violates the foundations of medical ethics and democratic law. I will not allow unethical people who engage in such conduct to inject me with anything.

18) The medical establishment is not informing people about any of this: They have become marketing agents for an experimental drug, serving huge companies and politicians who have made deals with them. This is a direct conflict with their mandate to concern themselves exclusively with the wellbeing of the people under their care. Since the medical establishment has become corrupted, and has become nothing more than a corporate and political tool, I do not trust the experimental drug they want so badly to inject me with.

19) We are being pressured in various ways to get injected, which violates medical ethics and the foundations of democratic society: It also violates the Nuremberg Code established after World War II. The best way to get me not to do something is to pressure me to do it.

20) The government has sealed their protocol related to the v***s and treatments: This is information that the public has a right to know, and the government has a responsibility to share. What are they covering up? Do they really expect me to believe everything is on “the-up-and-up” about all this, and that they are concerned first and foremost with my health?

21) The establishment has recruited doctors, pastors, priests, rabbis, the media, and the masses to harangue people who don’t want to get injected with a new drug: We are being called the worst sort of names. We are being told that we believe in crazy conspiracies, that we are against science, that we are selfish, that we are murderers, that we don’t care about the elderly, that it’s our fault that the government continues to impose draconian restrictions on the public. It’s all because we don’t want to get injected with an experimental treatment, no questions asked. We are even being told that we have a religious obligation to do this, and that we are grave sinners if we do not. They say that if we do not agree to get injected, we should be forced to stay inside our homes forever and be ostracized from public life. This is horrific, d********g, a perversion of common sense, morality, and the Bible. It makes me recoil, and only further cements my distrust of these people and my opposition to taking their experimental drug. How dare they?

22) I know of many people who got injected, but none of them studied the science in depth, carefully weighed the potential benefits against the risks, compared this option to other alternatives, was truly informed, and decided this medical treatment was the best option for them: On the contrary, they got injected because of the hype, the propaganda, the pressure, the fear, blind trust in what “the majority of experts” supposedly believed (assuming THEY all studied everything in depth and were completely objective, which is highly dubious), blind trust in what certain influential rabbis urged them to do (ditto the above), or hysterical fear that the only option was getting injected or getting seriously ill from the v***s. When I see mass hysteria and cult-like behavior surrounding a medical treatment, I will be extremely suspicious and avoid it.

23) The drug companies have a long and glorious history of causing mass carnage with wonder drugs they thrust on unsuspecting populations, even after serious problems had already become known: Instead of pressing the pause button and halting the marketing of these drugs until these issues could be properly investigated, the drug companies did everything in their power to suppress the information and keep pushing their products. When companies and people have demonstrated such gross lack of concern for human life, I will not trust them when they hype a new wonder drug. This isn’t our first rodeo.

24) Indeed, the horror stories are already coming in at warp speed, but the politicians are not the least bit concerned, the medical establishment is brushing them aside as unrelated or negligible, the media is ignoring it, the drug companies are steaming ahead at full speed, and those who raise a red f**g continue to be bullied, censored, and punished: Clearly my life and my wellbeing are not their primary concern. I will not be their next laboratory guinea pig. I will not risk being the next “coincidence.”

25) Although many people have died shortly after getting injected — including perfectly healthy young people — we are not allowed to imply that the injection had anything to do with it: Somehow this is anti-science and will cause more people to die. I believe that denying any possible link, abusing people who speculate that there might be a link, and demonstrating not the slightest curiosity to even explore if there might be a link is what is anti-science and could very well cause more people to die. These same people believe I am obligated to get injected as well. No freaking thanks. The latest statistics show more than 1,100 have died in the U.S. alone.

26) I am repulsed by the religious, idolatrous, cult-like worship of a pharmaceutical product, and will not participate in this ritual

27) My “healthcare” provider keeps badgering me to get injected, yet they have provided me no information on this treatment or any possible alternatives: Everything I know I learned from others outside the establishment. Informed consent has become conformed consent. I decline.

28) I see all the lies, corruption, propaganda, manipulation, censorship, bullying, violation of medical ethics, lack of integrity in the scientific process, suppression of inconvenient adverse reactions, dismissal of legitimate concerns, hysteria, cult-like behavior, ignorance, closed-mindedness, fear, medical and political tyranny, concealment of protocols, lack of true concern for human life, lack of respect for basic human rights and freedoms, perversion of the Bible and common sense, demonization of good people, the greatest medical experiment of all time being conducted by greedy, untrustworthy, godless people, the lack of liability for those who demand I risk everything… I see all this and I have decided they can all have my place in line: I will put my trust in God. I will use the mind He blessed me with and trust my natural instincts. Which led to this final reason which sums up why I will not get “v******ted.”

This has been called the greatest medical experime... (show quote)

Great Post!

Gatsby

Parky60 wrote:

This has been called the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race. SEE IF you relate to some, if not all, of the issues I put forth, as to why I refuse to roll up my sleeve for Big Pharma’s unproven, untested experimental gene therapy?

1) It’s not a v*****e: A v*****e by definition provides immunity to a disease. This does not provide immunity to anything. In a best-case scenario, it merely reduces the chance of getting a severe case of a v***s if one catches it. Hence, it is a medical treatment, not a v*****e. I do not want to take a medical treatment for an illness I do not have.

2) The drug companies, politicians, medical establishment, and media have joined forces to universally refer to this as a v*****e when it is not one: Their intention appears to be to manipulate people into feeling safer about undergoing a medical treatment. Because they are being deceitful, I do not trust them, and want nothing to do with their medical treatment.

3) The presumed benefits of this medical treatment are minimal and would not last long in any case: P****r’s CEO admitted last week people will need annual booster shots, presumably for the rest of their lives. And the establishment acknowledges this and is already talking about additional shots and ever-increasing numbers of new “v*****es” that would be required on a regular basis. I refuse to turn myself into a chronic patient who receives injections of new pharmaceutical products on a regular basis simply to reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a v***s that these injections do not even prevent.

4) I can reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a v***s by strengthening my i****e s****m naturally: In the event I catch a v***s, there are vitamins and well-established drugs that have had wonderful results in warding off the illness, without the risks and unknowns of this medical treatment.

5) The establishment insists this medical treatment is safe: They cannot possibly know this because the long-term effects are entirely unknown, and will not be known for many years. They may speculate it is safe, but it is disingenuous for them to make such a claim that cannot possibly be known. This is because the current v*****es being used in the U.S. have not been formally approved by the FDA. Rather, they’ve only received an e*******y use a***********n (EUA) while clinical trials continue. Because they are being disingenuous, I do not trust them, and I want no part of their treatment.

6) The drug companies have zero liability if anything goes wrong, and cannot be sued: Same for the politicians who are pushing this treatment. I will not inject myself with a new, experimental medical device when the people behind it accept no liability or responsibility if something goes wrong. I will not risk my health and my life when they refuse to risk anything.

7) United States citizens are part the world’s laboratory for this experimental treatment: I am not interested in being a guinea pig or donating my body to science.

8) The executives and board members at P****r are on record that they have not taken their own treatment, despite all the fanfare and assurances: They are claiming they would consider it unfair to “cut in line.” This is a preposterous excuse, and it takes an unbelievable amount of chutzpah to even say such a thing. Such a “line” is a figment of their own imagination. If they hogged a couple of injections for themselves no one would cry foul. In addition, billionaires with private jets and private islands are not known for waiting in line until hundreds of millions of peasants all over the world go first to receive anything these billionaires want for themselves.

9) The establishment media have accepted this preposterous excuse without question or concern: Moreover, they laud P****r’s executives for their supposed self-sacrifice in not taking their own experimental treatment until we go first. Since they consider us such fools, I do not trust them, and do not want their new treatment. They can have my place in line. I’ll go to the very back of the line.

10) Three facts that must be put together: 1) Bill Gates is touting these v*****es as essential to the survival of the human race; 2) Bill Gates believes the world has too many people and needs to be “depopulated”; 3) Bill Gates, perhaps the richest man in the world, has also not been injected, no rush. Uh, no. I’ll pass on any medical treatments he wants me to take.

11) The establishment has been entirely one-sided in celebrating this treatment: The politicians and media are urging people to take it as both a moral and civic duty. The benefits of the treatment are being greatly exaggerated, the risks are being ignored, and the unknowns are being brushed aside. Because they are being deceitful and manipulative, I will not gamble my personal wellbeing on their integrity.

12) There is an intense propaganda campaign for people to take this treatment: Politicians and celebrities are taking selfies of themselves getting injected (perhaps in some cases pretending to get injected). The media is hyping this as the coolest, smartest, most happy and fun thing to do. It is the most widespread marketing campaign in history. This is not at all appropriate for any medical treatment, let alone a brand new one, and it makes me recoil.

13) The masses are following in tow, posting pictures of themselves getting injected with a drug, feeding the mass peer pressure to do the same: There is something very alarming and sick about this, and I want no part of it. I never took drugs just because “everyone’s doing it” and it’s cool. I’m certainly not going to start now.

14) Those who raise concerns about this medical treatment are being bullied, slandered, mocked, censored, ostracized, threatened, and fired from their jobs: This includes medical professionals who have science-based concerns about the drug and caregivers who have witnessed people under their charge suffering horrible reactions and death shortly after being injected. When the establishment is purging good people, who risk everything simply to raise concerns about a new medical treatment — even if they don’t outright oppose it — I will trust these brave people over the establishment every time. I cannot think of a single similar case in history when t***h and morality turned out to be on the side of the establishment.

15) This is the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race

16) It is purposely not being portrayed as the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race: And the fact that it is a medical experiment at all is being severely downplayed.

17) If they were up front with the masses, very few would agree to participate in such an experiment: Manipulating the masses to participate in a medical experiment under false pretenses violates the foundations of medical ethics and democratic law. I will not allow unethical people who engage in such conduct to inject me with anything.

18) The medical establishment is not informing people about any of this: They have become marketing agents for an experimental drug, serving huge companies and politicians who have made deals with them. This is a direct conflict with their mandate to concern themselves exclusively with the wellbeing of the people under their care. Since the medical establishment has become corrupted, and has become nothing more than a corporate and political tool, I do not trust the experimental drug they want so badly to inject me with.

19) We are being pressured in various ways to get injected, which violates medical ethics and the foundations of democratic society: It also violates the Nuremberg Code established after World War II. The best way to get me not to do something is to pressure me to do it.

20) The government has sealed their protocol related to the v***s and treatments: This is information that the public has a right to know, and the government has a responsibility to share. What are they covering up? Do they really expect me to believe everything is on “the-up-and-up” about all this, and that they are concerned first and foremost with my health?

21) The establishment has recruited doctors, pastors, priests, rabbis, the media, and the masses to harangue people who don’t want to get injected with a new drug: We are being called the worst sort of names. We are being told that we believe in crazy conspiracies, that we are against science, that we are selfish, that we are murderers, that we don’t care about the elderly, that it’s our fault that the government continues to impose draconian restrictions on the public. It’s all because we don’t want to get injected with an experimental treatment, no questions asked. We are even being told that we have a religious obligation to do this, and that we are grave sinners if we do not. They say that if we do not agree to get injected, we should be forced to stay inside our homes forever and be ostracized from public life. This is horrific, d********g, a perversion of common sense, morality, and the Bible. It makes me recoil, and only further cements my distrust of these people and my opposition to taking their experimental drug. How dare they?

22) I know of many people who got injected, but none of them studied the science in depth, carefully weighed the potential benefits against the risks, compared this option to other alternatives, was truly informed, and decided this medical treatment was the best option for them: On the contrary, they got injected because of the hype, the propaganda, the pressure, the fear, blind trust in what “the majority of experts” supposedly believed (assuming THEY all studied everything in depth and were completely objective, which is highly dubious), blind trust in what certain influential rabbis urged them to do (ditto the above), or hysterical fear that the only option was getting injected or getting seriously ill from the v***s. When I see mass hysteria and cult-like behavior surrounding a medical treatment, I will be extremely suspicious and avoid it.

23) The drug companies have a long and glorious history of causing mass carnage with wonder drugs they thrust on unsuspecting populations, even after serious problems had already become known: Instead of pressing the pause button and halting the marketing of these drugs until these issues could be properly investigated, the drug companies did everything in their power to suppress the information and keep pushing their products. When companies and people have demonstrated such gross lack of concern for human life, I will not trust them when they hype a new wonder drug. This isn’t our first rodeo.

24) Indeed, the horror stories are already coming in at warp speed, but the politicians are not the least bit concerned, the medical establishment is brushing them aside as unrelated or negligible, the media is ignoring it, the drug companies are steaming ahead at full speed, and those who raise a red f**g continue to be bullied, censored, and punished: Clearly my life and my wellbeing are not their primary concern. I will not be their next laboratory guinea pig. I will not risk being the next “coincidence.”

25) Although many people have died shortly after getting injected — including perfectly healthy young people — we are not allowed to imply that the injection had anything to do with it: Somehow this is anti-science and will cause more people to die. I believe that denying any possible link, abusing people who speculate that there might be a link, and demonstrating not the slightest curiosity to even explore if there might be a link is what is anti-science and could very well cause more people to die. These same people believe I am obligated to get injected as well. No freaking thanks. The latest statistics show more than 1,100 have died in the U.S. alone.

26) I am repulsed by the religious, idolatrous, cult-like worship of a pharmaceutical product, and will not participate in this ritual

27) My “healthcare” provider keeps badgering me to get injected, yet they have provided me no information on this treatment or any possible alternatives: Everything I know I learned from others outside the establishment. Informed consent has become conformed consent. I decline.

28) I see all the lies, corruption, propaganda, manipulation, censorship, bullying, violation of medical ethics, lack of integrity in the scientific process, suppression of inconvenient adverse reactions, dismissal of legitimate concerns, hysteria, cult-like behavior, ignorance, closed-mindedness, fear, medical and political tyranny, concealment of protocols, lack of true concern for human life, lack of respect for basic human rights and freedoms, perversion of the Bible and common sense, demonization of good people, the greatest medical experiment of all time being conducted by greedy, untrustworthy, godless people, the lack of liability for those who demand I risk everything… I see all this and I have decided they can all have my place in line: I will put my trust in God. I will use the mind He blessed me with and trust my natural instincts. Which led to this final reason which sums up why I will not get “v******ted.”

This has been called the greatest medical experime... (show quote)

I hear many people saying that they will wait for the J&J v*****e, as will I.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

Gatsby wrote:

I hear many people saying that they will wait for the J&J v*****e, as will I.

It's still not as v*****e.

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

There are many reasons to take and not take the so called experimental v*****es. The choices should be made with full knowledge of the risks to take and not to take, and all of the known complications. Every time I get a prescription filled at the VA, it includes about 6 to 16 pages of fine print telling me everything I need to know or at least what they know. To much to read it all. But with the v*****e, there are to many unknowns. It should be everyone's choice and never compulsory for the foreseeable future.

Keep in mind that if the v***s was as contagious as they say it is, we'd all have it by now. If masks are as safe as they say they are, no one would have it by now. People die of all sorts of things, including v***ses and germs and always have. Sometimes not taking things, or getting to insulated, reduces your ability to develop immunities on your own. This very well might be one of those times. I'd rather stay as healthy as possible by getting out and about, and on with my life, then stay sheltered and waste my life, and weaken my own general health, and thus make my defenses to a v***s or germ weaker. Again, it is and should be my choice.

Right now, there are enough people in line and not able to get in line. There is no rush and you are not weakening the over all health of America even one tiny bit but not rushing to get a shot. If you jump in line, someone else has to wait. Let's let the willing to go without the shot, go on about their business, at least until all the willing have had their chances. Then and only then is this choice and decision a concern for anyone else. And probably not then either.

Logically Right

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

permafrost wrote:

I see your reasoning and concern.. br br conside... (show quote)

I see that your TDS is still at full strength. I think you ought to get a v*****e for that first so that you can get back to reality

Roamin' Catholic Loc: luxurious exile

Gatsby wrote:

I hear many people saying that they will wait for the J&J v*****e, as will I.

me too

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

Parky60 wrote:

This has been called the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race. SEE IF you relate to some, if not all, of the issues I put forth, as to why I refuse to roll up my sleeve for Big Pharma’s unproven, untested experimental gene therapy?

1) It’s not a v*****e: A v*****e by definition provides immunity to a disease. This does not provide immunity to anything. In a best-case scenario, it merely reduces the chance of getting a severe case of a v***s if one catches it. Hence, it is a medical treatment, not a v*****e. I do not want to take a medical treatment for an illness I do not have.

2) The drug companies, politicians, medical establishment, and media have joined forces to universally refer to this as a v*****e when it is not one: Their intention appears to be to manipulate people into feeling safer about undergoing a medical treatment. Because they are being deceitful, I do not trust them, and want nothing to do with their medical treatment.

3) The presumed benefits of this medical treatment are minimal and would not last long in any case: P****r’s CEO admitted last week people will need annual booster shots, presumably for the rest of their lives. And the establishment acknowledges this and is already talking about additional shots and ever-increasing numbers of new “v*****es” that would be required on a regular basis. I refuse to turn myself into a chronic patient who receives injections of new pharmaceutical products on a regular basis simply to reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a v***s that these injections do not even prevent.

4) I can reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a v***s by strengthening my i****e s****m naturally: In the event I catch a v***s, there are vitamins and well-established drugs that have had wonderful results in warding off the illness, without the risks and unknowns of this medical treatment.

5) The establishment insists this medical treatment is safe: They cannot possibly know this because the long-term effects are entirely unknown, and will not be known for many years. They may speculate it is safe, but it is disingenuous for them to make such a claim that cannot possibly be known. This is because the current v*****es being used in the U.S. have not been formally approved by the FDA. Rather, they’ve only received an e*******y use a***********n (EUA) while clinical trials continue. Because they are being disingenuous, I do not trust them, and I want no part of their treatment.

6) The drug companies have zero liability if anything goes wrong, and cannot be sued: Same for the politicians who are pushing this treatment. I will not inject myself with a new, experimental medical device when the people behind it accept no liability or responsibility if something goes wrong. I will not risk my health and my life when they refuse to risk anything.

7) United States citizens are part the world’s laboratory for this experimental treatment: I am not interested in being a guinea pig or donating my body to science.

8) The executives and board members at P****r are on record that they have not taken their own treatment, despite all the fanfare and assurances: They are claiming they would consider it unfair to “cut in line.” This is a preposterous excuse, and it takes an unbelievable amount of chutzpah to even say such a thing. Such a “line” is a figment of their own imagination. If they hogged a couple of injections for themselves no one would cry foul. In addition, billionaires with private jets and private islands are not known for waiting in line until hundreds of millions of peasants all over the world go first to receive anything these billionaires want for themselves.

9) The establishment media have accepted this preposterous excuse without question or concern: Moreover, they laud P****r’s executives for their supposed self-sacrifice in not taking their own experimental treatment until we go first. Since they consider us such fools, I do not trust them, and do not want their new treatment. They can have my place in line. I’ll go to the very back of the line.

10) Three facts that must be put together: 1) Bill Gates is touting these v*****es as essential to the survival of the human race; 2) Bill Gates believes the world has too many people and needs to be “depopulated”; 3) Bill Gates, perhaps the richest man in the world, has also not been injected, no rush. Uh, no. I’ll pass on any medical treatments he wants me to take.

11) The establishment has been entirely one-sided in celebrating this treatment: The politicians and media are urging people to take it as both a moral and civic duty. The benefits of the treatment are being greatly exaggerated, the risks are being ignored, and the unknowns are being brushed aside. Because they are being deceitful and manipulative, I will not gamble my personal wellbeing on their integrity.

12) There is an intense propaganda campaign for people to take this treatment: Politicians and celebrities are taking selfies of themselves getting injected (perhaps in some cases pretending to get injected). The media is hyping this as the coolest, smartest, most happy and fun thing to do. It is the most widespread marketing campaign in history. This is not at all appropriate for any medical treatment, let alone a brand new one, and it makes me recoil.

13) The masses are following in tow, posting pictures of themselves getting injected with a drug, feeding the mass peer pressure to do the same: There is something very alarming and sick about this, and I want no part of it. I never took drugs just because “everyone’s doing it” and it’s cool. I’m certainly not going to start now.

14) Those who raise concerns about this medical treatment are being bullied, slandered, mocked, censored, ostracized, threatened, and fired from their jobs: This includes medical professionals who have science-based concerns about the drug and caregivers who have witnessed people under their charge suffering horrible reactions and death shortly after being injected. When the establishment is purging good people, who risk everything simply to raise concerns about a new medical treatment — even if they don’t outright oppose it — I will trust these brave people over the establishment every time. I cannot think of a single similar case in history when t***h and morality turned out to be on the side of the establishment.

15) This is the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race

16) It is purposely not being portrayed as the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race: And the fact that it is a medical experiment at all is being severely downplayed.

17) If they were up front with the masses, very few would agree to participate in such an experiment: Manipulating the masses to participate in a medical experiment under false pretenses violates the foundations of medical ethics and democratic law. I will not allow unethical people who engage in such conduct to inject me with anything.

18) The medical establishment is not informing people about any of this: They have become marketing agents for an experimental drug, serving huge companies and politicians who have made deals with them. This is a direct conflict with their mandate to concern themselves exclusively with the wellbeing of the people under their care. Since the medical establishment has become corrupted, and has become nothing more than a corporate and political tool, I do not trust the experimental drug they want so badly to inject me with.

19) We are being pressured in various ways to get injected, which violates medical ethics and the foundations of democratic society: It also violates the Nuremberg Code established after World War II. The best way to get me not to do something is to pressure me to do it.

20) The government has sealed their protocol related to the v***s and treatments: This is information that the public has a right to know, and the government has a responsibility to share. What are they covering up? Do they really expect me to believe everything is on “the-up-and-up” about all this, and that they are concerned first and foremost with my health?

21) The establishment has recruited doctors, pastors, priests, rabbis, the media, and the masses to harangue people who don’t want to get injected with a new drug: We are being called the worst sort of names. We are being told that we believe in crazy conspiracies, that we are against science, that we are selfish, that we are murderers, that we don’t care about the elderly, that it’s our fault that the government continues to impose draconian restrictions on the public. It’s all because we don’t want to get injected with an experimental treatment, no questions asked. We are even being told that we have a religious obligation to do this, and that we are grave sinners if we do not. They say that if we do not agree to get injected, we should be forced to stay inside our homes forever and be ostracized from public life. This is horrific, d********g, a perversion of common sense, morality, and the Bible. It makes me recoil, and only further cements my distrust of these people and my opposition to taking their experimental drug. How dare they?

22) I know of many people who got injected, but none of them studied the science in depth, carefully weighed the potential benefits against the risks, compared this option to other alternatives, was truly informed, and decided this medical treatment was the best option for them: On the contrary, they got injected because of the hype, the propaganda, the pressure, the fear, blind trust in what “the majority of experts” supposedly believed (assuming THEY all studied everything in depth and were completely objective, which is highly dubious), blind trust in what certain influential rabbis urged them to do (ditto the above), or hysterical fear that the only option was getting injected or getting seriously ill from the v***s. When I see mass hysteria and cult-like behavior surrounding a medical treatment, I will be extremely suspicious and avoid it.

23) The drug companies have a long and glorious history of causing mass carnage with wonder drugs they thrust on unsuspecting populations, even after serious problems had already become known: Instead of pressing the pause button and halting the marketing of these drugs until these issues could be properly investigated, the drug companies did everything in their power to suppress the information and keep pushing their products. When companies and people have demonstrated such gross lack of concern for human life, I will not trust them when they hype a new wonder drug. This isn’t our first rodeo.

24) Indeed, the horror stories are already coming in at warp speed, but the politicians are not the least bit concerned, the medical establishment is brushing them aside as unrelated or negligible, the media is ignoring it, the drug companies are steaming ahead at full speed, and those who raise a red f**g continue to be bullied, censored, and punished: Clearly my life and my wellbeing are not their primary concern. I will not be their next laboratory guinea pig. I will not risk being the next “coincidence.”

25) Although many people have died shortly after getting injected — including perfectly healthy young people — we are not allowed to imply that the injection had anything to do with it: Somehow this is anti-science and will cause more people to die. I believe that denying any possible link, abusing people who speculate that there might be a link, and demonstrating not the slightest curiosity to even explore if there might be a link is what is anti-science and could very well cause more people to die. These same people believe I am obligated to get injected as well. No freaking thanks. The latest statistics show more than 1,100 have died in the U.S. alone.

26) I am repulsed by the religious, idolatrous, cult-like worship of a pharmaceutical product, and will not participate in this ritual

27) My “healthcare” provider keeps badgering me to get injected, yet they have provided me no information on this treatment or any possible alternatives: Everything I know I learned from others outside the establishment. Informed consent has become conformed consent. I decline.

28) I see all the lies, corruption, propaganda, manipulation, censorship, bullying, violation of medical ethics, lack of integrity in the scientific process, suppression of inconvenient adverse reactions, dismissal of legitimate concerns, hysteria, cult-like behavior, ignorance, closed-mindedness, fear, medical and political tyranny, concealment of protocols, lack of true concern for human life, lack of respect for basic human rights and freedoms, perversion of the Bible and common sense, demonization of good people, the greatest medical experiment of all time being conducted by greedy, untrustworthy, godless people, the lack of liability for those who demand I risk everything… I see all this and I have decided they can all have my place in line: I will put my trust in God. I will use the mind He blessed me with and trust my natural instincts. Which led to this final reason which sums up why I will not get “v******ted.”

This has been called the greatest medical experime... (show quote)

Parky, Where do you get your information? This v*****e has been tested, and retested, and found to be absolutely safe. It has saved many people from sickness and/or death. You say you put your faith in G-d. Maybe, but G-d gave us the intelligence to solve this terrible disease through medication and v******tion. Please tell all your friends that feel the same way not to get v******ted. If all those that deny science would just do that, we would get rid of c***d19 quickly.

Gatsby

saltwind 78 wrote:

Parky, Where do you get your information? This v*****e has been tested, and retested, and found to be absolutely safe. It has saved many people from sickness and/or death. You say you put your faith in G-d. Maybe, but G-d gave us the intelligence to solve this terrible disease through medication and v******tion. Please tell all your friends that feel the same way not to get v******ted. If all those that deny science would just do that, we would get rid of c***d19 quickly.

"Absolutely safe", only if you live in an alternative universe!

Adverse Incident Reports Show 966 Deaths Following V******tion for C****-**.

https://myvalleynews.com/adverse-incident-reports-show-966-deaths-following-v******tion-for-c****-**/

Roamin' Catholic Loc: luxurious exile

Parky60 wrote:

It's still not as v*****e.

I would prefer not to be v******ted at all but as I understand it the J&J is made the traditional way, from inactive c***d v***s, while the P****r and M*****a use m**A to teach your body how to make simulated c***d from your own cells.

I don't want my cells to have this knowledge.

But there are worse things out to get me so que sera sera.

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

saltwind 78 wrote:

Parky, Where do you get your information? This v*****e has been tested, and retested, and found to be absolutely safe. It has saved many people from sickness and/or death. You say you put your faith in G-d. Maybe, but G-d gave us the intelligence to solve this terrible disease through medication and v******tion. Please tell all your friends that feel the same way not to get v******ted. If all those that deny science would just do that, we would get rid of c***d19 quickly.

"This v*****e has been tested, and retested, and found to be absolutely safe." Where do you get your information from Salt? What part of the FDA's "e*******y use a***********n" do you not get?

“Guided by science and data, the agency’s career staff determined that the v*****e’s known and potential benefits clearly outweigh its known and potential risks, and although not an FDA approval, the FDA’s expectations described in our June and October guidance documents have been met,” said Peter Marks, M.D., Ph.D., Director of the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research.

The M*****a and P****r would have been required to go through the normal licensing procedure for v*****es, including more extensive safety testing. That would have taken longer, and perhaps led to safety concerns that might have kept them from ever being approved. Because the C****-** v*****es have only been administered in the United States since December 2020, the long-term effects are unknown at this time. In other words, there are no long term human safety trials in order to lend credence to your claim that the v*****e is absolutely safe.