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Feb 28, 2021 07:54:37   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Why must we infer other's belief system from a sampling of their posts?

Over the last years, I have posted under the name manning, manning4 and manning5 a number of papers that define my beliefs, state my positions on the world of events, and generally commented on OPP from a Conservative viewpoint. In perspective, I might as well have written them in the sand, only for them to be washed away when the tide comes in.

To name a few of these posts I believe to be of some importance to me here is a listing of their titles:
A World Outline
Major Issues
Belief System
A Christian Worldview
A Brief Comparison Between Conservatism and the Left
A Worldview in 84 Phrases
Key Conservative Actions
Belief System Matrix
Really Simple Conservatism
And many more!

I believe these posts and others represent my views fairly completely, no matter that they have been washed away with time.
My point here is that I do not see at OPP very many similar, in-depth revelations of belief from others, with a few really outstanding exceptions, mainly from the Rightists.
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Thus for reading many posters here what they stand for in life is not altogether clear, with the obvious exception of Trump hatred, which is the principal stuff of left wingers, and the various atheistic posters that seem to believe in nothing, and want us to go along with them down the tube.

There should be a common file here on OPP where each serious poster actually sets forth his own belief system for all to read at any time, all in a systematic fashion. Perhaps even a form that asks the key questions would be helpful to all of us.

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Feb 28, 2021 08:24:26   #
Singularity
 
manning5 wrote:
Why must we infer other's belief system from a sampling of their posts?

Over the last years, I have posted under the name manning, manning4 and manning5 a number of papers that define my beliefs, state my positions on the world of events, and generally commented on OPP from a Conservative viewpoint. In perspective, I might as well have written them in the sand, only for them to be washed away when the tide comes in.

To name a few of these posts I believe to be of some importance to me here is a listing of their titles:
A World Outline
Major Issues
Belief System
A Christian Worldview
A Brief Comparison Between Conservatism and the Left
A Worldview in 84 Phrases
Key Conservative Actions
Belief System Matrix
Really Simple Conservatism
And many more!

I believe these posts and others represent my views fairly completely, no matter that they have been washed away with time.
My point here is that I do not see at OPP very many similar, in-depth revelations of belief from others, with a few really outstanding exceptions, mainly from the Rightists.
.
Thus for reading many posters here what they stand for in life is not altogether clear, with the obvious exception of Trump hatred, which is the principal stuff of left wingers, and the various atheistic posters that seem to believe in nothing, and want us to go along with them down the tube.

There should be a common file here on OPP where each serious poster actually sets forth his own belief system for all to read at any time, all in a systematic fashion. Perhaps even a form that asks the key questions would be helpful to all of us.
i Why must we infer other's belief system from a ... (show quote)

Generally by the time I have reached conclusions about what I think and feel about what I thought and felt yesterday, I find that I'm bored and off topic from what I think and feel about what I believe today.

We are all works in progress plagued by retrogressive reflections of past glories and foibles and existential anxiety performance for our futures.

I understand your post here to reflect a legitimate desire for a moment of clarity, to determine where the other stands in relation to oneself and to predict where things might go from there. . .

Conversation is as much a dance as it is a posture.

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Feb 28, 2021 08:29:11   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
manning5 wrote:
Why must we infer other's belief system from a sampling of their posts?

Over the last years, I have posted under the name manning, manning4 and manning5 a number of papers that define my beliefs, state my positions on the world of events, and generally commented on OPP from a Conservative viewpoint. In perspective, I might as well have written them in the sand, only for them to be washed away when the tide comes in.

To name a few of these posts I believe to be of some importance to me here is a listing of their titles:
A World Outline
Major Issues
Belief System
A Christian Worldview
A Brief Comparison Between Conservatism and the Left
A Worldview in 84 Phrases
Key Conservative Actions
Belief System Matrix
Really Simple Conservatism
And many more!

I believe these posts and others represent my views fairly completely, no matter that they have been washed away with time.
My point here is that I do not see at OPP very many similar, in-depth revelations of belief from others, with a few really outstanding exceptions, mainly from the Rightists.
.
Thus for reading many posters here what they stand for in life is not altogether clear, with the obvious exception of Trump hatred, which is the principal stuff of left wingers, and the various atheistic posters that seem to believe in nothing, and want us to go along with them down the tube.

There should be a common file here on OPP where each serious poster actually sets forth his own belief system for all to read at any time, all in a systematic fashion. Perhaps even a form that asks the key questions would be helpful to all of us.
i Why must we infer other's belief system from a ... (show quote)


Good idea but most view this place as one for “anonymity” being wh**ever “ character” they chose, as often as they choose for the moment and then you have those that post simply to antagonize.. It is more of a word fest of Sarcasm and belittlement rather than an absorbing political debate giving their true views on something..

I wish more would be as you say but this place is not going to elicit such, as you point out...No matter how enticing the political topic may be, in here it is diminished by h**e filled rants especially of a particular number of members who resort to such since they can not sufficiently debate your post..

So true what you say here, Manning;
In perspective, I might as well have written them in the sand, only for them to be washed away when the tide comes in.

What you learn or read about in here should be forgotten as soon as you logoff..There is no true desire to find mutuality in a topic..Truly disheartening...

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Feb 28, 2021 08:35:14   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Singularity wrote:
Generally by the time I have reached conclusions about what I think and feel about what I thought and felt yesterday, I find that I'm bored and off topic from what I think and feel about what I believe today.

We are all works in progress plagued by retrogressive reflections of past glories and foibles and existential anxiety performance for our futures.

I understand your post here to reflect a legitimate desire for a moment of clarity, to determine where the other stands in relation to oneself and to predict where things might go from there. . .

Conversation is as much a dance as it is a posture.
Generally by the time I have reached conclusions a... (show quote)


A lot of t***h in this!! Our boredom often stagnates our thought process where the dance is almost forced out just to find a varying degree of stimulation..

I often wonder if our “need” to be obtuse or raving in our self illusion of grandiosity is more of what we are than what we believe we are..

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Feb 28, 2021 08:43:48   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Singularity wrote:
Generally by the time I have reached conclusions about what I think and feel about what I thought and felt yesterday, I find that I'm bored and off topic from what I think and feel about what I believe today.

We are all works in progress plagued by retrogressive reflections of past glories and foibles and existential anxiety performance for our futures.

I understand your post here to reflect a legitimate desire for a moment of clarity, to determine where the other stands in relation to oneself and to predict where things might go from there. . .

Conversation is as much a dance as it is a posture.
Generally by the time I have reached conclusions a... (show quote)


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An accurate thought picture. My reaction to it was several thoughts at once: Dances have names as do belief systems; and, one can and should update one's positions as time passes; and, my life seems to have been an entire series of dances to very specific pieces of music in my head, almost like movie sound scripts...
Maybe I need one of those Head Doctors! However, my general positions have been very consistent over time here, but the dances and music change often...Life can be an ellipsis.

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Feb 28, 2021 08:48:33   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
lindajoy wrote:
Good idea but most view this place as one for “anonymity” being wh**ever “ character” they chose, as often as they choose for the moment and then you have those that post simply to antagonize.. It is more of a word fest of Sarcasm and belittlement rather than an absorbing political debate giving their true views on something..

I wish more would be as you say but this place is not going to elicit such, as you point out...No matter how enticing the political topic may be, in here it is diminished by h**e filled rants especially of a particular number of members who resort to such since they can not sufficiently debate your post..

So true what you say here, Manning;
In perspective, I might as well have written them in the sand, only for them to be washed away when the tide comes in.

What you learn or read about in here should be forgotten as soon as you logoff..There is no true desire to find mutuality in a topic..Truly disheartening...
Good idea but most view this place as one for “ano... (show quote)


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That is what underlies my post, Lindajoy, I tend to write serious pieces and wish others did too, but the noise level here as you say is deafening, and the tide always wins!

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Feb 28, 2021 09:01:35   #
Singularity
 
manning5 wrote:
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An accurate thought picture. My reaction to it was several thoughts at once: Dances have names as do belief systems; and, one can and should update one's positions as time passes; and, my life seems to have been an entire series of dances to very specific pieces of music in my head, almost like movie sound scripts...
Maybe I need one of those Head Doctors!


A musical!

Now we include the minstrels as well as the dancing girls and chorus!

I take it you wouldn't mind makeup and costumes as long as they are used historically and un-ironically, or alternatively, clarified by accurately sourced footnotes? And identified and classified by genre?

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Feb 28, 2021 09:04:09   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
manning5 wrote:
Why must we infer other's belief system from a sampling of their posts?

Over the last years, I have posted under the name manning, manning4 and manning5 a number of papers that define my beliefs, state my positions on the world of events, and generally commented on OPP from a Conservative viewpoint. In perspective, I might as well have written them in the sand, only for them to be washed away when the tide comes in.

To name a few of these posts I believe to be of some importance to me here is a listing of their titles:
A World Outline
Major Issues
Belief System
A Christian Worldview
A Brief Comparison Between Conservatism and the Left
A Worldview in 84 Phrases
Key Conservative Actions
Belief System Matrix
Really Simple Conservatism
And many more!

I believe these posts and others represent my views fairly completely, no matter that they have been washed away with time.
My point here is that I do not see at OPP very many similar, in-depth revelations of belief from others, with a few really outstanding exceptions, mainly from the Rightists.
.
Thus for reading many posters here what they stand for in life is not altogether clear, with the obvious exception of Trump hatred, which is the principal stuff of left wingers, and the various atheistic posters that seem to believe in nothing, and want us to go along with them down the tube.

There should be a common file here on OPP where each serious poster actually sets forth his own belief system for all to read at any time, all in a systematic fashion. Perhaps even a form that asks the key questions would be helpful to all of us.
i Why must we infer other's belief system from a ... (show quote)


If all of us were as rock solid firm in our beliefs as we'd like to believe and we'd like others to believe, we'd be talking TO each other instead of AT each other.

People confirmed in their beliefs do not need to have those beliefs validated by anyone else, see no need to try and browbeat anyone else into accepting those beliefs, do not feel the need to defend those beliefs, and are comfortable with acknowledging that others may have differing beliefs and have a right to do so.

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Feb 28, 2021 09:04:31   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Singularity wrote:
Generally by the time I have reached conclusions about what I think and feel about what I thought and felt yesterday, I find that I'm bored and off topic from what I think and feel about what I believe today.

We are all works in progress plagued by retrogressive reflections of past glories and foibles and existential anxiety performance for our futures.

I understand your post here to reflect a legitimate desire for a moment of clarity, to determine where the other stands in relation to oneself and to predict where things might go from there. . .

Conversation is as much a dance as it is a posture.
Generally by the time I have reached conclusions a... (show quote)



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Feb 28, 2021 09:27:22   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
manning5 wrote:
Why must we infer other's belief system from a sampling of their posts?

Over the last years, I have posted under the name manning, manning4 and manning5 a number of papers that define my beliefs, state my positions on the world of events, and generally commented on OPP from a Conservative viewpoint. In perspective, I might as well have written them in the sand, only for them to be washed away when the tide comes in.

To name a few of these posts I believe to be of some importance to me here is a listing of their titles:
A World Outline
Major Issues
Belief System
A Christian Worldview
A Brief Comparison Between Conservatism and the Left
A Worldview in 84 Phrases
Key Conservative Actions
Belief System Matrix
Really Simple Conservatism
And many more!

I believe these posts and others represent my views fairly completely, no matter that they have been washed away with time.
My point here is that I do not see at OPP very many similar, in-depth revelations of belief from others, with a few really outstanding exceptions, mainly from the Rightists.
.
Thus for reading many posters here what they stand for in life is not altogether clear, with the obvious exception of Trump hatred, which is the principal stuff of left wingers, and the various atheistic posters that seem to believe in nothing, and want us to go along with them down the tube.

There should be a common file here on OPP where each serious poster actually sets forth his own belief system for all to read at any time, all in a systematic fashion. Perhaps even a form that asks the key questions would be helpful to all of us.
i Why must we infer other's belief system from a ... (show quote)


While you’re on your beach of lost content, try to remember your are a tiny grain of sand. Everything you do on this planet is both relevant and irrelevant at the same time.
The best you can hope for is to be happy at least some of the time.
As a nation as diverse as we are, the absolute best we can hope for is to be All moving in the same direction together.

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Feb 28, 2021 10:10:56   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
lpnmajor wrote:
If all of us were as rock solid firm in our beliefs as we'd like to believe and we'd like others to believe, we'd be talking TO each other instead of AT each other.

People confirmed in their beliefs do not need to have those beliefs validated by anyone else, see no need to try and browbeat anyone else into accepting those beliefs, do not feel the need to defend those beliefs, and are comfortable with acknowledging that others may have differing beliefs and have a right to do so.


All very true! The two words--validation, and browbeating--were not part of my intensions, however! Not consciously, anyway! My purpose words were--example, and reference--and the right to differing beliefs is simply an obvious fact. I don't know how many "discussions" I have had where the unsaid fundamentals of belief were the cause of controversy.

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Feb 28, 2021 10:15:19   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Milosia2 wrote:
While you’re on your beach of lost content, try to remember your are a tiny grain of sand. Everything you do on this planet is both relevant and irrelevant at the same time.
The best you can hope for is to be happy at least some of the time.
As a nation as diverse as we are, the absolute best we can hope for is to be All moving in the same direction together.


Agreed! But, not much hope for happiness and a compatible direction today.

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Feb 28, 2021 10:22:57   #
Singularity
 
manning5 wrote:
Agreed! But, not much hope for happiness and a compatible direction today.


Ivory palaces can be lonely places. Especially if you don't let your hair down occasionally.



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Feb 28, 2021 10:27:35   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Singularity wrote:
A musical!

Now we include the minstrels as well as the dancing girls and chorus!

I take it you wouldn't mind makeup and costumes as long as they are used historically and un-ironically, or alternatively, clarified by accurately sourced footnotes? And identified and classified by genre?


Dancing girls are always welcome, but I shy away from historical costumes as they are usually very uncomfortable and itchy! Somehow, I cannot imagine dancing to Beethoven's Fifth. Moonlight Sonata is more to my taste, or anything from Jackie Gleason with Bobby Hackett on trumpet!

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Feb 28, 2021 10:35:56   #
Singularity
 
manning5 wrote:
Dancing girls are always welcome, but I shy away from historical costumes as they are usually very uncomfortable and itchy! Somehow, I cannot imagine dancing to Beethoven's Fifth. Moonlight Sonata is more to my taste, or anything from Jackie Gleason with Bobby Hackett on trumpet!


Given my physical limits, I'm forced to be content with soaring rhetoric and dizzying leaps of logic. Even so, I must still contend with others' concrete thinking and rational stumblingblocks. As well as the pains of my own missteps.

I, sorta, feel your pain?

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