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Feb 25, 2021 08:56:44   #
Feb 25, 2021 09:22:16   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of NYC & Rhode Island
 
moldyoldy wrote:
White people had to go to harlem to hear them,...



I only thought about the jazz greats but forgot about the R&B and Rock & Roll greats that played all over NYC. We’d go over to Times Square to ogle the great names, black and white. Allan Freed had Fats Domino, Jerry Lee, the Everlys, Lavern Baker, The Drifters, etc. They played The Parmount & Brooklyn Paramount. After the government brought down Freed in the payola scandal, his place was taken by Clay Cole, Murray Kaufman and other DJs who hosted shows.

Eartha Kitt had the great record, Santa Baby, & I think, a few other hits. She ran a dance studio where many celebrities went to learn moves including the up & coming actor, James Dean. The problem she suffered was completely due to a gaffe of her own. She was invited to a White House soiree by the Lyndon Johnson administration. She went off on him about the Viet-Nam War, in completely poor taste. It was, quite simply, not the proper venue and her own doing. Her bookings dried up and that’s why she went to Europe. It was not due to any racism. If anything, her race may have contributed to her success.

There were sidewalk and subway musicians, black & white, who would just set up anywhere and put their hats on the ground for donations. Some of them played calypso & reggae. Black gospel groups did the same. I was walking around mid-town with a few guys I knew and one voiced the old canard about I don’t know what it is but they all have rhythm.

In Greenwich Village there were so many jazz, blues, folk & rock clubs that you couldn't walk down many streets without passing several clubs with black or whites playing.

Your statements are completely at odds with the reality.

Feb 25, 2021 09:44:52   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of NYC & Rhode Island
 
lindajoy wrote:
...Acceptance and respect are things that must be earned...



Malcolm X, in a radio interview once said for the black man to be accepted by the white man, he will first have to make himself acceptable. He also once said that any white man who pretends that when a black family moves into his neighborhood that his property values don't go down is out of his mind.

You never hear about these things and moldyoldy will never respond to them with an answer except for diversions.

 
 
Feb 25, 2021 09:50:13   #
moldyoldy
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
I only thought about the jazz greats but forgot about the R&B and Rock & Roll greats that played all over NYC. We’d go over to Times Square to ogle the great names, black and white. Allan Freed had Fats Domino, Jerry Lee, the Everlys, Lavern Baker, The Drifters, etc. They played The Parmount & Brooklyn Paramount. After the government brought down Freed in the payola scandal, his place was taken by Clay Cole, Murray Kaufman and other DJs who hosted shows.

Eartha Kitt had the great record, Santa Baby, & I think, a few other hits. She ran a dance studio where many celebrities went to learn moves including the up & coming actor, James Dean. The problem she suffered was completely due to a gaffe of her own. She was invited to a White House soiree by the Lyndon Johnson administration. She went off on him about the Viet-Nam War, in completely poor taste. It was, quite simply, not the proper venue and her own doing. Her bookings dried up and that’s why she went to Europe. It was not due to any racism. If anything, her race may have contributed to her success.

There were sidewalk and subway musicians, black & white, who would just set up anywhere and put their hats on the ground for donations. Some of them played calypso & reggae. Black gospel groups did the same. I was walking around mid-town with a few guys I knew and one voiced the old canard about I don’t know what it is but they all have rhythm.

In Greenwich Village there were so many jazz, blues, folk & rock clubs that you couldn't walk down many streets without passing several clubs with black or whites playing.

Your statements are completely at odds with the reality.
I only thought about the jazz greats but forgot ab... (show quote)


You are talking about a later time. Though there were problems with that era too. Pat Boone singing soul music to make it acceptable for whites. All the soul was removed, no feeling.

Feb 25, 2021 11:12:08   #
moldyoldy
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Malcolm X, in a radio interview once said for the black man to be accepted by the white man, he will first have to make himself acceptable. He also once said that any white man who pretends that when a black family moves into his neighborhood that his property values don't go down is out of his mind.

You never hear about these things and moldyoldy will never respond to them with an answer except for diversions.


He was a dangerous man, he was evolving into a different man after visiting Mecca.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/02/22/malcolm-x-assassination-letter-nypd-fbi/?outputType=amp

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-56147505

Feb 25, 2021 14:31:10   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of NYC & Rhode Island
 
moldyoldy wrote:
https://medium.com/lantern-searchlight-red-velvet/americans-in-paris-artists-leaving-the-united-states-for-europe-ef2d9bc58b8f



Ah yes, Paul Robeson, a lifelong communist, who never renounced it.

And those stories about those black entertainers who found so much less racism than in America reminds me of the story of Dick Gregory, the topical comedian. He went to a Canadian university to give a talk. It's always been fashionable to trash America on North American campuses. He had the timing of a comedian and played the audience perfectly.

He started off by saying how great it was to be in Canada where blacks are treated so much better than in the United States. The audience began cheering. He went on with the same tack about Canada treating its blacks so much better than America did. The audience was standing and cheering & applauding loudly.

He finished by repeating how great it was to be there in Canada where they treat blacks so much better to another round of wild applause and added, "All twelve of them." The audience went silent.

I think that applies to Paris. How many blacks lived there at the time?

Feb 25, 2021 14:34:32   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of NYC & Rhode Island
 



Congratulations on your ability to evade the question.

Yes, Malcolm X was a dangerous man, to the liberals whom he despised. He had the audacity to believe that blacks could make it without them.

 
 
Feb 25, 2021 15:13:10   #
moldyoldy
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Congratulations on your ability to evade the question.

Yes, Malcolm X was a dangerous man, to the liberals whom he despised. He had the audacity to believe that blacks could make it without them.


You misunderstood him, when he went to Mecca he found brotherhood with Muslims of all nationalities. He thought that he could find that kind of kinship in the US, that put him on the outs with Elijah Muhammad. But his biggest threat was from the FBI , they abetted his assasination.

Feb 25, 2021 15:58:34   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of NYC & Rhode Island
 
moldyoldy wrote:
You are talking about a later time. Though there were problems with that era too. Pat Boone singing soul music to make it acceptable for whites. All the soul was removed, no feeling.


I had already written about that earlier time with my post about jazz greats, Ellington, etc. You evaded that one, too.

Feb 25, 2021 17:26:37   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
moldyoldy wrote:
You are talking about a later time. Though there were problems with that era too. Pat Boone singing soul music to make it acceptable for whites. All the soul was removed, no feeling.


I just had to look up this Pat Boone and listen to him... I didn’t find much soul music as I would define it anyway but heck I wasn’t born yet either given his era..
Music moves the soul and allows our spirit to soarrrr...
Did like this by him and great voice too...

https://youtu.be/2ENzT9k1LRs

Ain’t that a shame too~~

https://youtu.be/fVuI_cVNW4Y

Feb 25, 2021 18:09:39   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Malcolm X, in a radio interview once said for the black man to be accepted by the white man, he will first have to make himself acceptable. He also once said that any white man who pretends that when a black family moves into his neighborhood that his property values don't go down is out of his mind.

You never hear about these things and moldyoldy will never respond to them with an answer except for diversions.


Yes, he certainly did exhibit a man filled with often well said quotes that really put thought to them, if not a bit off or is it before his time ???

 
 
Feb 25, 2021 18:17:20   #
moldyoldy
 
lindajoy wrote:
I just had to look up this Pat Boone and listen to him... I didn’t find much soul music as I would define it anyway but heck I wasn’t born yet either given his era..
Music moves the soul and allows our spirit to soarrrr...
Did like this by him and great voice too...

https://youtu.be/2ENzT9k1LRs

Ain’t that a shame too~~

https://youtu.be/fVuI_cVNW4Y


The secret of Pat Boone’s success was his golden image. Pat Boone sold so many records, because every parent wanted their kids to turn out like him. His impeccably squeaky clean image embodied the fifties. Ever see Leave it to Beaver? Pat Boone was that crew cut, the cardigan and a faith more resilient than a ray of sunshine.
Image result for pat boone republican
Pat Boone appealed to a strictly white audience. However, all of his music was stolen from black musicians. Back then, a black rock and roller had it very tough. He signed away his rights to his music for a few dollars, which surely seemed like a fortune, and then watched as Pat Boone rode that song across every Billboard chart in the country.
Take for example the story of Fred Paris, he wrote one of the most beloved songs of all times, “In the Still of the Night”. The song sold between ten and fifteen million copies. Instead of earning the more than $100,000 in royalties, Mr. Paris signed away all rights to the song for a paltry $783. BND article
Here are just a few songs, that Pat stole from black artists:
1955 cover of Fats Domino’s “Aint’ that a Shame”,
1956 cover of Ivory Joe Hunter’s “I Almost Lost my Mind”,
Covers of Little Richard’s “Tutti Frutti” and “Long Tall Sally”,
And many more number one hits for Pat Boone.
https://medium.com/politicalhaze/pat-boone-has-lived-his-life-voting-republican-stealing-black-songs-and-wearing-a-crew-cut-5fc1121bbf9

Feb 25, 2021 18:19:24   #
moldyoldy
 
First, it wasn’t performers like Boone directly cheating black artists out of their royalties. Instead, it was the record companies that signed those artists, according to Charles Gallaher and Cameron Lippard in their book “Race & Racism in the United States: An Encyclopedia of the American Mosaic.”

Instead of paying royalties, record companies — often owned by whites — would offer their artists a flat fee for a song. Unfamiliar with U.S. copyright laws, the artists would sign the contract, collect the fees — and lose all ownership rights (hence, future royalties) to the song.

Feb 25, 2021 19:24:35   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
moldyoldy wrote:
The secret of Pat Boone’s success was his golden image. Pat Boone sold so many records, because every parent wanted their kids to turn out like him. His impeccably squeaky clean image embodied the fifties. Ever see Leave it to Beaver? Pat Boone was that crew cut, the cardigan and a faith more resilient than a ray of sunshine.
Image result for pat boone republican
Pat Boone appealed to a strictly white audience. However, all of his music was stolen from black musicians. Back then, a black rock and roller had it very tough. He signed away his rights to his music for a few dollars, which surely seemed like a fortune, and then watched as Pat Boone rode that song across every Billboard chart in the country.
Take for example the story of Fred Paris, he wrote one of the most beloved songs of all times, “In the Still of the Night”. The song sold between ten and fifteen million copies. Instead of earning the more than $100,000 in royalties, Mr. Paris signed away all rights to the song for a paltry $783. BND article
Here are just a few songs, that Pat stole from black artists:
1955 cover of Fats Domino’s “Aint’ that a Shame”,
1956 cover of Ivory Joe Hunter’s “I Almost Lost my Mind”,
Covers of Little Richard’s “Tutti Frutti” and “Long Tall Sally”,
And many more number one hits for Pat Boone.
https://medium.com/politicalhaze/pat-boone-has-lived-his-life-voting-republican-stealing-black-songs-and-wearing-a-crew-cut-5fc1121bbf9
The secret of Pat Boone’s success was his golden i... (show quote)


Really enjoyed both posts Moldy.. Thank you for taking me to yet another dimension if music!!!

I would rather listen and search it than watch TV...

What was done to these fantastic composers is criminal in and of itself... But what can not be taken from them was their talent to bring forth such music to the industry as well..


Just had to post it~~

https://youtu.be/MRb1-SAAIzs

This one I do happen to know... Marvin Gaye

https://youtu.be/Cwe34WzSuqk

Feb 25, 2021 19:35:07   #
moldyoldy
 
lindajoy wrote:
Really enjoyed both posts Moldy.. Thank you for taking me to yet another dimension if music!!!

I would rather listen and search it than watch TV...

What was done to these fantastic composers is criminal in and of itself... But what can not be taken from them was their talent to bring forth such music to the industry as well..


Just had to post it~~

https://youtu.be/MRb1-SAAIzs

This one I do happen to know... Marvin Gaye

https://youtu.be/Cwe34WzSuqk


Good choices, I did not realize that you were just a baby.

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