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Feb 21, 2021 17:49:05   #
moldyoldy
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
Kemmer, don't bother reading this or responding. I already know what you think.

Like the song goes "Lookin' for love in all the wrong places."

I am fortunate and blessed to have attended a Bible church for many years with an awesome pastor who is so careful to teach from the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts.
In Gal:3:28, Paul states Paul states: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus "
Jesus states in John, 13:34-35 “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35“By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
In I John 4:7 "Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God, and knows God; He that loveth not, knoweth not God. Beloved, let us ove one another."

I can find in no place that God created any color as a separate race. Yes, we have variances in color, traditions, nationalities, etc, but we are all descendants of Adam, born with a sin nature. Prior to the coming of Christ, human kind was divided into two separate groups, Jews and Gentiles. As Christians, we are a new creation, being neither Greek nor Jew, a set-apart group in Christ, as Paul states in Eph: 2:3-27 "we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our wrongdoings, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the ages to come He might show the boundless riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them. 11 Therefore remember that previously you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision” which is performed in the flesh by human hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the people of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who previously were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the hostility, which is the Law composed of commandments expressed in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two one new person, in this way establishing peace; 16 and that He might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the hostility. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were far away, and peace to those who were near; 18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit."

As such., ALL Christians should love one another. That is AGAPE love as expressed in I Cor 13: 1-8 "If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails."

Years ago I heard a preacher teaching on God's love toward us and how we should reflect that love toward other Christians. It is never based on emotions; love is an active verb. A short summation of that love is an absolute commitment to God's righteousness in every aspect of that relationship. The working out of that love is expressed in different ways, such as the intimacy and care between spouses, the loving provisional and guardian care over one's children, the loving and service functions to our friends and community and the very obvious love and sacrificial affection between Christians to one another. Agape love is never based on the physical, mental or monetary attractiveness of the person receiving the love, but is based on the spiritual character of the person giving that love.
I believe that only way the hate issues will never be resolved here in America except through a spiritual awakening, a rebirth of sorts that can only come about by a repentance of the Christians for our failure to live up to what we KNOW we should or could have been doing and then the repentance of this nation as a whole. White on black hatred is evil as is black on white hatred or any other type of discriminatory hatred.

For those on OPP who are Christians, you know this is right. For those of you who are not "born again" Christians, all it takes on your part is to understand you are a sinner, but Christ paid your sin debt on the Cross. You need to put your faith in Him, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. At the moment you do that, the Lord will give you the Holy Spirit and a new birth in Him.

I'll close with "Beloved, let us LOVE one another." - - - Iliamna.
Kemmer, don't bother reading this or responding. I... (show quote)



The History Of The Idea Of Race

Race as a categorizing term referring to human beings was first used in the English language in the late 16th century. Until the 18th century it had a generalized meaning similar to other classifying terms such as type, sort, or kind. Occasional literature of Shakespeare’s time referred to a “race of saints” or “a race of bishops.” By the 18th century, race was widely used for sorting and ranking the peoples in the English colonies—Europeans who saw themselves as free people, Amerindians who had been conquered, and Africans who were being brought in as slave labour—and this usage continues today.

The peoples conquered and enslaved were physically different from western and northern Europeans, but such differences were not the sole cause for the construction of racial categories. The English had a long history of separating themselves from others and treating foreigners, such as the Irish, as alien “others.” By the 17th century their policies and practices in Ireland had led to an image of the Irish as “savages” who were incapable of being civilized. Proposals to conquer the Irish, take over their lands, and use them as forced labour failed largely because of Irish resistance. It was then that many Englishmen turned to the idea of colonizing the New World. Their attitudes toward the Irish set precedents for how they were to treat the New World Indians and, later, Africans.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/race-human/The-history-of-the-idea-of-race

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Feb 21, 2021 18:03:37   #
Iliamna1
 
moldyoldy wrote:
The History Of The Idea Of Race

Race as a categorizing term referring to human beings was first used in the English language in the late 16th century. Until the 18th century it had a generalized meaning similar to other classifying terms such as type, sort, or kind. Occasional literature of Shakespeare’s time referred to a “race of saints” or “a race of bishops.” By the 18th century, race was widely used for sorting and ranking the peoples in the English colonies—Europeans who saw themselves as free people, Amerindians who had been conquered, and Africans who were being brought in as slave labour—and this usage continues today.

The peoples conquered and enslaved were physically different from western and northern Europeans, but such differences were not the sole cause for the construction of racial categories. The English had a long history of separating themselves from others and treating foreigners, such as the Irish, as alien “others.” By the 17th century their policies and practices in Ireland had led to an image of the Irish as “savages” who were incapable of being civilized. Proposals to conquer the Irish, take over their lands, and use them as forced labour failed largely because of Irish resistance. It was then that many Englishmen turned to the idea of colonizing the New World. Their attitudes toward the Irish set precedents for how they were to treat the New World Indians and, later, Africans.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/race-human/The-history-of-the-idea-of-race
The History Of The Idea Of Race br br Race as a c... (show quote)


In our sinful natures, if it isn't color, people are perfectly capable of finding SOMETHING to hate and discriminate over. You prove my point.

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Feb 21, 2021 18:40:40   #
billy a Loc: South Florida
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Posted this chart a few days ago... Folk seemed to think it was rather silly.... I don't necessarily disagree with them... But there's nothing silly about this....


I'd like to see this survey reversed to watch the reaction of black folks...

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Feb 21, 2021 18:53:42   #
moldyoldy
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
In our sinful natures, if it isn't color, people are perfectly capable of finding SOMETHING to hate and discriminate over. You prove my point.


That much is true, but Blacks suffer indignities no matter their stations in life. Blind Stevie Wonder is planning to move to Africa so that his grand kids will not have to suffer the racism here. Even he can see it.

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Feb 21, 2021 19:17:51   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of NYC & Rhode Island
 
moldyoldy wrote:
That much is true, but Blacks suffer indignities no matter their stations in life. Blind Stevie Wonder is planning to move to Africa so that his grand kids will not have to suffer the racism here. Even he can see it.



Oh yes, Stevie Wonder. Well I wonder whether he'll have the same life arrangements most other people will.


So maybe you should follow him there moldyoldy. See how you like it.

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Feb 21, 2021 19:25:03   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
billy a wrote:
I'd like to see this survey reversed to watch the reaction of black folks...


Funny you should mention that Billy...

A friend made this just last night...

Feel free to pass it along



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Feb 21, 2021 19:26:12   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
moldyoldy wrote:
That much is true, but Blacks suffer indignities no matter their stations in life. Blind Stevie Wonder is planning to move to Africa so that his grand kids will not have to suffer the racism here. Even he can see it.


Laugh...

Lots of racism in Africa... Only ignorant American blacks would think otherwise...

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Feb 21, 2021 19:27:02   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Oh yes, Stevie Wonder. Well I wonder whether he'll have the same life arrangements most other people will.


So maybe you should follow him there moldyoldy. See how you like it.



I wonder how far he had to look for Stevie Wonder. I also wonder if Oprah Winfrey, Tiger Woods, et al would feel that way. It's always tempting to look for ways you are discriminated against, the ways where you have it worse than your neighbor. This victim mentality must be resisted or we are going to throw away what we have been given in this great Country.

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Feb 21, 2021 19:38:10   #
drlarrygino
 
moldyoldy wrote:
That much is true, but Blacks suffer indignities no matter their stations in life. Blind Stevie Wonder is planning to move to Africa so that his grand kids will not have to suffer the racism here. Even he can see it.


Oh, please, enough with this racism. It's too bad Little Stevie can't see. He might have a chance to see the light instead of the darkness that his mind conjures up.

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Feb 21, 2021 20:00:19   #
moldyoldy
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Laugh...

Lots of racism in Africa... Only ignorant American blacks would think otherwise...


There are tribal differences, religious differences.

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Feb 21, 2021 20:04:16   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
moldyoldy wrote:
There are tribal differences, religious differences.


I think it goes a little deeper than that, Moldy.

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Feb 21, 2021 20:16:02   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
moldyoldy wrote:
There are tribal differences, religious differences.


Racial differences...

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Feb 21, 2021 21:06:49   #
son of witless
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Lighter skin plays a big part in any cultures...

Asia, India , parts of Africa.... And even among the black community in the West...

Skin lightening cosmetics are a billion dollar industry...


Why is black face offensive, while white face is not ?

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Feb 21, 2021 22:01:44   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
son of witless wrote:
Why is black face offensive, while white face is not ?


I find them both funny....

I is transnigger🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Feb 22, 2021 06:22:05   #
drlarrygino
 
moldyoldy wrote:
There are tribal differences, religious differences.


Yes, but aren't blacks supposed to be non-racist, equality driven and perfect examples of virtuous, perfect people???

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