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Feb 18, 2021 23:07:13   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
RascalRiley wrote:
You must have missed a few history classes.


Give me a refresher then.

What caused the end of the last ice age?

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Feb 18, 2021 23:09:12   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
RascalRiley wrote:
There is no escaping the mess we are creating. At best we can slow and try to mitigate the effects of tampering with the atmosphere. If we keep denying the effects our existence on earth will be short


Time wise, our existence on earth is short anyway.

Ask a dinosaur.

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Feb 18, 2021 23:14:53   #
RascalRiley
 
archie bunker wrote:
Give me a refresher then.

What caused the end of the last ice age?


Google it. But you won’t because actual knowledge would conflict with your beliefs.

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Feb 18, 2021 23:22:12   #
RascalRiley
 
archie bunker wrote:
Time wise, our existence on earth is short anyway.

Ask a dinosaur.


Yup. Let’s all be greedy and make it shorter

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Feb 18, 2021 23:24:18   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Google it. But you won’t because actual knowledge would conflict with your beliefs.


Wait, what?

Dude, I asked a simple question.

And I don't need Google to tell me that the last ice age ended before the invention of the internal combustion engine, or human activity.

You Google some stuff, dude!!
Better yet, open a damn book, if you can figure out how to turn the pages!!

Holy crap!!

I guess it's really this bad, isn't it??


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Feb 18, 2021 23:30:14   #
RascalRiley
 
archie bunker wrote:
Wait, what?

Dude, I asked a simple question.

And I don't need Google to tell me that the last ice age ended before the invention of the internal combustion engine, or human activity.

You Google some stuff, dude!!
Better yet, open a damn book, if you can figure out how to turn the pages!!

Holy crap!!

I guess it's really this bad, isn't it??



What caused the last ice age is the question. Geology and the earth shifting magnetic field and other factors were involved. Only a fool would think there was simple answer

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Feb 18, 2021 23:35:21   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
RascalRiley wrote:
What caused the last ice age is the question. Geology and the earth shifting magnetic field and other factors were involved. Only a fool would think there was simple answer



Seems only fools have the simple answer now, huh?

This crap has been going on for how many millions of years now, and we can change it in the lifespan of a few humans??

G-nite. Work in the morning.

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Feb 19, 2021 05:52:56   #
America 1
 
RascalRiley wrote:
There is no escaping the mess we are creating. At best we can slow and try to mitigate the effects of tampering with the atmosphere. If we keep denying the effects our existence on earth will be short



10 common myths about climate change — and what science really says
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/climate-change-myths-what-science-really-says/

COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING
FACT: Significant changes in climate have continually occurred throughout geologic time. For instance, the Medieval Warm Period, from around 1000 to1200 AD (when the Vikings farmed on Greenland) was followed by a period known as the Little Ice Age. Since the end of the 17th Century, the "average global temperature" has been rising at the low steady rate mentioned above; although from 1940 – 1970 temperatures actually dropped, leading to a Global Cooling scare
https://friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=3

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Feb 19, 2021 06:38:46   #
Dom
 
Hug wrote:
Just talked to a leading citizen in Houston. The problem in Houstion is the politicians did not want to spend the money to insulate the gas pipes.


Gas doesn't freeze

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Feb 19, 2021 08:25:04   #
Carol Kelly
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
I want to express my concern for the people of Texas. I can't imagine what they are going through. It's not a question of money, there is plenty of money in Texas to take care the electric grid. In the long run, the ultimate problem is global warming. Until we substantially can lower our use of fossil fuels, this problem will get worse. That includes hotter weather over all, terrible winter storms like the one in Texas, extreme dry winds causing massive forest and grassland fires in California, increased danger to native wildlife, and so much more.
In the short run, it might be a good idea to take another look at the independent Texas electric grid. If they could have accepted electric power grid, this would have come off a lot better.
I want to express my concern for the people of Tex... (show quote)


Everytime you post, your knowledge of real life is exposed. That’s the nicest way I can think of to phrase it.

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Feb 19, 2021 08:41:45   #
amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
I want to express my concern for the people of Texas. I can't imagine what they are going through. It's not a question of money, there is plenty of money in Texas to take care the electric grid. In the long run, the ultimate problem is global warming. Until we substantially can lower our use of fossil fuels, this problem will get worse. That includes hotter weather over all, terrible winter storms like the one in Texas, extreme dry winds causing massive forest and grassland fires in California, increased danger to native wildlife, and so much more.
In the short run, it might be a good idea to take another look at the independent Texas electric grid. If they could have accepted electric power grid, this would have come off a lot better.
I want to express my concern for the people of Tex... (show quote)


Well, once again you have no clue. There are actually at least two grids, and perhaps three. The big one covers 85% of the state and has piss poor management. The CEO isnout of Minnesota. Texas jumped on the wind power train and stopped building coal and ng power plants, even shut a few down, in the last 20+ years. Well sir, less fossil fuel plants, bunches of wind turbines and a few solar farms later, plus a whole lot of new people with heat pumps, you have a problem with a major cold blast comes in. Out here in WestbTexas, we have a jillion of these handy, dandy wind turbines and about 85% of the power heads to the down state grid. Half of these froze up and didn’t produce and power. Guess what? It hit the fan. Out here in West Texas where we’ve got our own grid, we did just fine.

We just need to stop sending our natural gas to New York.

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Feb 19, 2021 08:56:50   #
nwtk2007
 
Dom wrote:
Gas doesn't freeze


Oh come on man! Natural gas becomes a liquid and then freezes at -305F! Where you been??

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Feb 19, 2021 08:58:57   #
Carol Kelly
 
amadjuster wrote:
Well, once again you have no clue. There are actually at least two grids, and perhaps three. The big one covers 85% of the state and has piss poor management. The CEO isnout of Minnesota. Texas jumped on the wind power train and stopped building coal and ng power plants, even shut a few down, in the last 20+ years. Well sir, less fossil fuel plants, bunches of wind turbines and a few solar farms later, plus a whole lot of new people with heat pumps, you have a problem with a major cold blast comes in. Out here in WestbTexas, we have a jillion of these handy, dandy wind turbines and about 85% of the power heads to the down state grid. Half of these froze up and didn’t produce and power. Guess what? It hit the fan. Out here in West Texas where we’ve got our own grid, we did just fine.

We just need to stop sending our natural gas to New York.
Well, once again you have no clue. There are actu... (show quote)


I recall when Mississippi couldn’t have natural gas installed because they needed it up north to keep from freezing. Well, guess what! The green new deal will leave many frozen in the North in a couple of years if Biden and Harris have their way.

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Feb 19, 2021 09:38:16   #
son of witless
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
son, We didn't get into this mess overnight, and it will take time to reverse the problem. We Americans have a problem with immediate gratification. It has to be fixed now. That might work if you are replacing a crumby QB on an NFL team on draft day, but reversing a century and a half of pouring poison onto the air, not so much,


I say that cutting Green house emissions is a fools errand. My logic is infallible. In fact I have many packets of infallible logic that you and all of the liberals who think as you do cannot refute, but lets us start with this.

Over the last 30-40 years or so the weather, uh no the CLIMATE has been whatever it has been. You still with me ? In that time we've had all kinds of droughts, floods, hot spells, cold spells, etc. Whenever we've gone through a super event such as the Hurricane that flattened New Orleans in 2005, you guys blame Global Warming. You then predict that super Hurricanes are now the normal pattern because the earth is too warm. Only Green energy can save the Planet.

The problem is, it wasn't a pattern. The next few years were not all that bad, but who cares. You guys have set the story. Stupid people buy it so it's all good. Obama, then later Biden were elected. It's all good.

During the 4 years of Trump and his blatant CO2 emitting economy, the Earth didn't end. This little cold spell that walloped Texas is not that unusual in the scheme of things.

So where do we go from here ? Or you guys cannot prove one way or another that your big CO2 reductions will do anything. In the next 50 years, the " Climate " will do whatever it does. If it is benign you guys will take the credit. If it is horrible, then you will say that it would have been worse if not for your remediation measures.

We do not have an extra test Earth as a control World to test whether the crap you guys are doing is doing anything good or bad at all. When they tested the Corona Vaccines they always have a control group to see what the difference was.

Now I double dog dare you to refute my irrefutable analysis.

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Feb 19, 2021 10:14:46   #
drlarrygino
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
I want to express my concern for the people of Texas. I can't imagine what they are going through. It's not a question of money, there is plenty of money in Texas to take care the electric grid. In the long run, the ultimate problem is global warming. Until we substantially can lower our use of fossil fuels, this problem will get worse. That includes hotter weather over all, terrible winter storms like the one in Texas, extreme dry winds causing massive forest and grassland fires in California, increased danger to native wildlife, and so much more.
In the short run, it might be a good idea to take another look at the independent Texas electric grid. If they could have accepted electric power grid, this would have come off a lot better.
I want to express my concern for the people of Tex... (show quote)


Lowering the fossil fuels in Texas is what got Texans in trouble. The wind generated turbines which generate 25% of Texas's energy were frozen solid and were useless. In fact, now, the Texas legislature is wanting Texas to use more fossil fuels for energy and to help with the ineffective New Green Deal.

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