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Feb 24, 2021 09:36:02   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
I've given you plenty of links, NASA being one, there is a mountain of evidence, I won't waste my time to hand it to you a a silver platter, do your own work which you never will because you simply don't want to hear it, your a
waste of time, denier, go back to plugging your ears.

Destroying our culture, what a joke, a culture of what, allowing industry to dump their waste in the air, water, and earth. That's a GREAT culture there, buddy.

It's just so damn easy to say, I don't believe it, lazy too. You people are the ones stopping our livelihood by not supporting moving forward to reusable/renewable energy, while other countries are all moving ahead.Good job once again.
I've given you plenty of links, NASA being one, th... (show quote)


So sorry. I honestly did not mean to offend. But I stand by my statements. The past 60 years of news has hundreds of examples of predictions based on poor science, and almost every one of them claims some variation of 'we must fix it NOW, or in ten years (or five or twenty or wh**ever) it will be TOO LATE.
G***n e****y has tremendous potential....but we are only at the beginning of learning about it. Insisting we move to all g***n e****y is like trying to eliminate horses because a steam engine had been invented. Too much too soon. G***n e****y is not ready. And yes, the plans for revamping our nation to g***n e****y over the next few decades will bankrupt us, will destroy millions of jobs, will leave millions of families destitute, and will cost all of us many, if not all, of our freedoms.
T notice that in your long rant you spent all your time condemning me, and none rebutting my points. I also notice that you still have no evidence to show, except to refer me to left wing propaganda sights. Am I stubborn and hard to convince? You bet. Your side is threatening the welfare of my children and grandchildren WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO PROVE YOUR CASE!!!

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Feb 24, 2021 12:21:32   #
Cuda2020
 
wilpharm wrote:
"you people"????? and you are what???? not much evidently


What I am NOT is a denier.

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Feb 24, 2021 12:35:39   #
Cuda2020
 
RandyBrian wrote:
So sorry. I honestly did not mean to offend. But I stand by my statements. The past 60 years of news has hundreds of examples of predictions based on poor science, and almost every one of them claims some variation of 'we must fix it NOW, or in ten years (or five or twenty or wh**ever) it will be TOO LATE.
G***n e****y has tremendous potential....but we are only at the beginning of learning about it. Insisting we move to all g***n e****y is like trying to eliminate horses because a steam engine had been invented. Too much too soon. G***n e****y is not ready. And yes, the plans for revamping our nation to g***n e****y over the next few decades will bankrupt us, will destroy millions of jobs, will leave millions of families destitute, and will cost all of us many, if not all, of our freedoms.
T notice that in your long rant you spent all your time condemning me, and none rebutting my points. I also notice that you still have no evidence to show, except to refer me to left wing propaganda sights. Am I stubborn and hard to convince? You bet. Your side is threatening the welfare of my children and grandchildren WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO PROVE YOUR CASE!!!
So sorry. I honestly did not mean to offend. But... (show quote)


No it's more like too little too late, we've been kicking this can down the road for 40 years now, the industries have lobbyists and now since the internet mass media to dissuade the publics opinion away from the scientists and it's working. Your putting more money in their pockets, while continuing to do damage to the environment, why, why work for them? We're only working to keep the planet clean and in balance, and you're bloody working against us.

I had no evidence so what did you call the NASA link? YOU"RE the one threating the welfare of your children and grandchildren by allowing industry to do wh**ever they want! By backing Trump to dismantle all of the environmental protections that were put in place....FOR US! Geeeeeeeeeeez

What were your points, simply hearsay and opinion that science was all a guesstimate, I did refute it, saying there are also many FACTS. That most of the guesstimates have to do with the timeline, not whether or not its going to happen, but when it will happen and it is happening, more so if we do nothing.

That's beautiful, first you complain about me not answering which I did, then you can't rebut what I said so you call it a rant, typical.

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Feb 24, 2021 13:10:14   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
No it's more like too little too late, we've been kicking this can down the road for 40 years now, the industries have lobbyists and now since the internet mass media to dissuade the publics opinion away from the scientists and it's working. Your putting more money in their pockets, while continuing to do damage to the environment, why, why work for them? We're only working to keep the planet clean and in balance, and you're bloody working against us.

I had no evidence so what did you call the NASA link? YOU"RE the one threating the welfare of your children and grandchildren by allowing industry to do wh**ever they want! By backing Trump to dismantle all of the environmental protections that were put in place....FOR US! Geeeeeeeeeeez

What were your points, simply hearsay and opinion that science was all a guesstimate, I did refute it, saying there are also many FACTS. That most of the guesstimates have to do with the timeline, not whether or not its going to happen, but when it will happen and it is happening, more so if we do nothing.

That's beautiful, first you complain about me not answering which I did, then you can't rebut what I said so you call it a rant, typical.
No it's more like too little too late, we've been ... (show quote)


Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-apocalyptic Predictions
https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/
Gore gets slammed over false g****l w*****g prediction
https://www.lomborg.com/news/gore-gets-slammed-over-false-global-warming-prediction
Al Gore’s Climate Sequel Misses a Few Inconvenient Facts
Eleven years after his first c*****e-c****e film, he’s still trying to scare you into saving the world.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/al-gores-climate-sequel-misses-a-few-inconvenient-facts-1501193349
Goose eggs: No climate doomsday warning has come true
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/goose-eggs-no-climate-doomsday-warning-has-come-true
Erroneous Predictive Scares
Consider the opening g****l w*****g salvo (quoted above). Dire predictions of g****l w*****g and sea-level rise are well on their way to being falsified—and by a lot, not a little. Meanwhile, a CO2-led global greening has occurred, and climate-related deaths have plummeted as industrialization and prosperity have overcome statism in many areas of the world.
https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/c*****e-c****e/climate-alarm-failed-prognostications/

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Feb 24, 2021 13:11:02   #
wilpharm
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
What I am NOT is a denier.


what are you????

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Feb 24, 2021 14:07:29   #
ChJoe
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
That's a ridiculous statement, the rise of CO2 led to warming, that's been proven, there are different ways to increase co2. Your scenario is like saying your not sick until your temperature reaches 103 degrees.


It is a fact, in past warming's CO2 levels rose AFTER warming occurred. Saying that CO2 is now the driving force in warming is nothing more than an assumption, never before seen in the past. It sure seems like it is but we literally have no clue about it.

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Feb 24, 2021 15:20:02   #
Cuda2020
 
ChJoe wrote:
It is a fact, in past warming's CO2 levels rose AFTER warming occurred. Saying that CO2 is now the driving force in warming is nothing more than an assumption, never before seen in the past. It sure seems like it is but we literally have no clue about it.


YOU have no clue about it, the rest of us do, we believe what the science tells us and they are facts.

Most land regions will see more hot days, especially in the tropics. At 1.5 degrees Celsius warming, about 14 percent of Earth’s population will be exposed to severe heatwaves at least once every five years, while at 2 degrees warming that number jumps to 37 percent. Extreme heatwaves will become widespread at 1.5 degrees Celsius warming.

At 2 degrees Celsius warming, the deadly heatwaves India and Pakistan saw in 2015 may occur annually. About 61 million more people in Earth’s urban areas would be exposed to severe drought in a 2-degree Celsius warmer world than at 1.5 degrees warming.

We will be seeing more flood, more droughts, more fires and more storms.

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Feb 24, 2021 15:33:04   #
Cuda2020
 
ChJoe wrote:
It is a fact, in past warming's CO2 levels rose AFTER warming occurred. Saying that CO2 is now the driving force in warming is nothing more than an assumption, never before seen in the past. It sure seems like it is but we literally have no clue about it.


I've read that and that is a theory not a fact. Our
Level of carbon dioxide gas (CO2) in the atmosphere in 1800-1870, was about 290 ppm (parts per million).

Our mean global temperature is now 14.8°C, the warmest in tens of thousands of years. Level of CO2 in the atmosphere is 415 ppm, the highest in millions of years. That is a staggering increase in a minute amount of time.

In 2019, the index rose to a value of 1.45, meaning that the heat trapped in the atmosphere that is primarily attributable to human activity has risen 45 percent since 1990.

Five greenhouse gases account for about 96 percent of the increased climate-warming influence since 1750. The AGGI also tracks 15 secondary greenhouse gases responsible for the remaining 4 percent.

Image
The left axis of this graph shows radiative forcing, relative to 1750, of all the long-lived greenhouse gases, with carbon dioxide having by far the most warming impact. The NOAA Annual Greenhouse Gas Index, which is indexed to 1 for the year 1990, is shown on the right axis. Credit: Global Monitoring Laboratory
Carbon dioxide, the most abundant human-emitted greenhouse gas, has by far the largest climate-warming impact of the long-lived greenhouse gases. By December 2019, CO2 in the global atmosphere averaged just over 411 ppm. Since 1990, the increase in the atmosphere’s heat-trapping capacity attributable to CO2 alone is now just over 60 percent.

This year’s AGGI confirms that the growth rate of CO2 has accelerated in recent years. It averaged about 1.6 parts per million per year in the 1980s, 1.5 ppm per year in the 1990s and 1.9 ppm per year from 2000-2009. The growth rate surged to an average of 2.4 ppm per year from 2010 to 2019. During 2019, the annual CO2 growth rate increased by 2.64 ppm

There are some facts and numbers for ya, let it soak in if it can. This put out by NOAA

Look at the chart, that is NOT a guesstimate.https://research.noaa.gov/article/ArtMID/587/ArticleID/2626/Warming-influence-of-greenhouse-gases-continues-to-rise-NOAA-finds

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Feb 24, 2021 15:46:36   #
Big Kahuna
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
A really dumb comment, but coming from you, this is to be expected. Atmosphere during the Mesozoic era? You think maybe it's changed since then. Only millions of years before homo sapiens.


Ask God. He could give you the accurate and complete run down on the combination of gasses in the atmosphere at the time he created Earth. I wouldn't rely on the government subsidized faux scientists for a t***hful scientific answer in just about anything. It is like our major media. They are so corrupt that wh**ever they report, believe just the opposite. By the way, I talked to God this morning and he gave me the real % of gasses in the atmosphere at the creation of our Earth. Try it, you might like it.

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Feb 24, 2021 16:08:28   #
Cuda2020
 
ChJoe wrote:
It is a fact, in past warming's CO2 levels rose AFTER warming occurred. Saying that CO2 is now the driving force in warming is nothing more than an assumption, never before seen in the past. It sure seems like it is but we literally have no clue about it.


What period of time was that? Was that before the explosion of O2 when the earth was exploding with volcanoes? Before life.

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Feb 24, 2021 16:09:22   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
America 1 wrote:
Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-apocalyptic Predictions
https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/
Gore gets slammed over false g****l w*****g prediction
https://www.lomborg.com/news/gore-gets-slammed-over-false-global-warming-prediction
Al Gore’s Climate Sequel Misses a Few Inconvenient Facts
Eleven years after his first c*****e-c****e film, he’s still trying to scare you into saving the world.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/al-gores-climate-sequel-misses-a-few-inconvenient-facts-1501193349
Goose eggs: No climate doomsday warning has come true
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/goose-eggs-no-climate-doomsday-warning-has-come-true
Erroneous Predictive Scares
Consider the opening g****l w*****g salvo (quoted above). Dire predictions of g****l w*****g and sea-level rise are well on their way to being falsified—and by a lot, not a little. Meanwhile, a CO2-led global greening has occurred, and climate-related deaths have plummeted as industrialization and prosperity have overcome statism in many areas of the world.
https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/c*****e-c****e/climate-alarm-failed-prognostications/
Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-apocalyptic Pr... (show quote)


Good post, A1. Thank you!

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Feb 24, 2021 16:11:47   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
YOU have no clue about it, the rest of us do, we believe what the science tells us and they are facts.

Most land regions will see more hot days, especially in the tropics. At 1.5 degrees Celsius warming, about 14 percent of Earth’s population will be exposed to severe heatwaves at least once every five years, while at 2 degrees warming that number jumps to 37 percent. Extreme heatwaves will become widespread at 1.5 degrees Celsius warming.

At 2 degrees Celsius warming, the deadly heatwaves India and Pakistan saw in 2015 may occur annually. About 61 million more people in Earth’s urban areas would be exposed to severe drought in a 2-degree Celsius warmer world than at 1.5 degrees warming.

We will be seeing more flood, more droughts, more fires and more storms.
YOU have no clue about it, the rest of us do, we b... (show quote)


Ok, good! More warnings to go with the 50 years of accumulated false predictions so popular with the gcc h**xers.

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Feb 24, 2021 16:18:17   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
I've read that and that is a theory not a fact. Our
Level of carbon dioxide gas (CO2) in the atmosphere in 1800-1870, was about 290 ppm (parts per million).

Our mean global temperature is now 14.8°C, the warmest in tens of thousands of years. Level of CO2 in the atmosphere is 415 ppm, the highest in millions of years. That is a staggering increase in a minute amount of time.

In 2019, the index rose to a value of 1.45, meaning that the heat trapped in the atmosphere that is primarily attributable to human activity has risen 45 percent since 1990.

Five greenhouse gases account for about 96 percent of the increased climate-warming influence since 1750. The AGGI also tracks 15 secondary greenhouse gases responsible for the remaining 4 percent.

Image
The left axis of this graph shows radiative forcing, relative to 1750, of all the long-lived greenhouse gases, with carbon dioxide having by far the most warming impact. The NOAA Annual Greenhouse Gas Index, which is indexed to 1 for the year 1990, is shown on the right axis. Credit: Global Monitoring Laboratory
Carbon dioxide, the most abundant human-emitted greenhouse gas, has by far the largest climate-warming impact of the long-lived greenhouse gases. By December 2019, CO2 in the global atmosphere averaged just over 411 ppm. Since 1990, the increase in the atmosphere’s heat-trapping capacity attributable to CO2 alone is now just over 60 percent.

This year’s AGGI confirms that the growth rate of CO2 has accelerated in recent years. It averaged about 1.6 parts per million per year in the 1980s, 1.5 ppm per year in the 1990s and 1.9 ppm per year from 2000-2009. The growth rate surged to an average of 2.4 ppm per year from 2010 to 2019. During 2019, the annual CO2 growth rate increased by 2.64 ppm

There are some facts and numbers for ya, let it soak in if it can. This put out by NOAA

Look at the chart, that is NOT a guesstimate.https://research.noaa.gov/article/ArtMID/587/ArticleID/2626/Warming-influence-of-greenhouse-gases-continues-to-rise-NOAA-finds
I've read that and that is a theory not a fact. Ou... (show quote)


NOAA? The same one caught falsifying data results a number of years ago? You still are trusting people who have a history of mistakes, falsehoods, and deliberate lies. We do not trust their opinions. You calling it a FACT does NOT make it either accurate or true. We have 50 years of reasons to be skeptical, and a lot of evidence that says there is no impending crisis.
Yes, we need to do better. In my opinion, a LOT better. Not because there is a crisis h*****g over our heads, but because we need to keep our "house" cleaner.....WITHOUT k*****g jobs and families and freedoms.

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Feb 24, 2021 16:22:13   #
wilpharm
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
YOU have no clue about it, the rest of us do, we believe what the science tells us and they are facts.

Most land regions will see more hot days, especially in the tropics. At 1.5 degrees Celsius warming, about 14 percent of Earth’s population will be exposed to severe heatwaves at least once every five years, while at 2 degrees warming that number jumps to 37 percent. Extreme heatwaves will become widespread at 1.5 degrees Celsius warming.

At 2 degrees Celsius warming, the deadly heatwaves India and Pakistan saw in 2015 may occur annually. About 61 million more people in Earth’s urban areas would be exposed to severe drought in a 2-degree Celsius warmer world than at 1.5 degrees warming.

We will be seeing more flood, more droughts, more fires and more storms.
YOU have no clue about it, the rest of us do, we b... (show quote)


who is "us"?....much science is educated guess...some right ..some wrong..not all facts.now you are weatherman and they are wrong a lot!!!

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Feb 24, 2021 16:24:02   #
wilpharm
 
Barracuda2020 wrote:
What I am NOT is a denier.


Great..you don't deny Biden is senile
you don't deny AOC is in seagull mode
and the list goes on....glad you are not a denier...your silly posts don't indicate that, though

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