nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

China and Germany are expected to take the lead promoting the Paris Agreement. This is despite China’s role in constructing over 700 new coal-fired power plants around the world. According to Urgewald, an environmental group based in Berlin, some of these new coal plants will be built in countries that burn little or no coal today. While many of the coal plants will be located in China, about one-fifth of the capacity of these new coal power plants is going to be located in other countries.

China is not alone in constructing coal-fired power plants. According to Urgewald, about 1,600 coal plants are planned or under construction in 62 countries; this data comes from the Global Coal Plant Tracker portal. If constructed, these new plants would increase global coal-fired capacity by 43 percent. According to Urgewald, 11 of the world’s 20 biggest coal plant developers are Chinese.

Until crap like this stops, the Paris Accord is BS and nothing but a way to siphon funds away from the US and into other pocketbooks. Period. And don't talk to me about the "science." I have doctorate degrees in Medicine and Molecular Biology. I was one of the "peer reviewers" for over 25 years. I and most of my kind defined objectivity, we discovered the double helix and we gave the world the technology for today's experimental v*****es. I was taught by the students of Delbruck and worked with some of his contemporaries. I have forgotten more "science" than you ever had the challenge of grasping.

But, I digress.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

son of witless

Obviously the shark lobby is far more powerful than the goat lobby. One might think that filming goats would be easier and cheaper.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

On that we can agree. Loved the photo, by the way. Have a happy and blessed day.

Cuda2020

Yes, and can you tell me what creatures were on the planet at that time. Do you know that dinosaurs would not be able to live in our environment as the environment was almost opposite of what it is today. So that means that even if we were to warm up, it is till not the same conditions as 65 million years ago. Now grasping that time line I think you would have to agree that we humans have changed the climate of the planet in record timing comparing to the earths natural process, not taking into consideration a meteor or some other cataclysmic event, I mean it's only been about a short hundred years, and this during the earths cooling trend.

Climatic Cooling from 60 million years ago to present day
Between 52 and 57 million years ago, the Earth was relatively warm. Tropical conditions actually extended all the way into the mid-latitudes (around northern Spain or the central United States for example), polar regions experienced temperate climates, and the difference in temperature between the equator and pole was much smaller than it is today. Indeed it was so warm that trees grew in both the Arctic and Antarctic, and alligators lived in Ellesmere Island at 78 degrees North.

But this warm period, called the Eocene, was followed by a long cooling trend. Between 52 and 36 million years ago, ice caps developed in East Antarctica, reaching down to sea level in some places. Close to Antarctica, the temperature of the water near the surface dropped to between 5 and 8 degrees Celsius. Between 36 and 20 million years ago the Earth experienced the first of three major cooling steps. At this time a continental-scale temperate ice sheet emerged in East Antarctica. Meanwhile, in North America, the mean annual air temperature dropped by approximately 12 degrees Celsius.

We are still in the midst of the third major cooling period that began around 3 million years ago.
Between 20 and 16 million years ago, there was a brief respite from the big chill, but this was followed by a second major cooling period so intense that by 7 million years ago southeastern Greenland was completely covered with glaciers, and by 5-6 million years ago, the glaciers were creeping into Scandinavia and the northern Pacific region. The Earth was once more released from the grip of the big chill between 5 and 3 million years ago, when the sea was much warmer around North America and the Antarctic than it is today. Warm-weather plants grew in Northern Europe where today they cannot survive, and trees grew in Iceland, Greenland, and Canada as far north as 82 degrees North.

{We are still in the midst of the third major cooling period that began around 3 million years ago, and its effect can be seen around the world, perhaps even in the development of our own species. Around 2 and a half million years ago, tundra-like conditions took over north-central Europe. Soon thereafter, the once-humid environment of Central China was replaced by harsh continental steppe. And in sub-Saharan Africa, arid and open grasslands expanded, replacing more wooded, wetter environments. Many paleontologists believe that this environmental change is linked to the evolution of humankind.}
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/cause-ice-age/

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

All of this ignores the fact that inc CO2 levels FOLLOWED warming. The rate of inc MIGHT be greater. Unknown. Not enough data to know OR guess.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Seems China is in a bit of a mess in what they will actually do.. this article is too long to post , so if it interests you, follow the link..

I have never looked at China exporting its coal-plant building expertise.. if I find anything interesting will post it in due time.. Have a good evening..


https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-will-china-build-hundreds-of-new-coal-plants-in-the-2020s

Yet even before the economic havoc wreaked by efforts to contain the c****av***s, Beijing was expected to freeze regulated electricity prices for the next year or two, to help the manufacturing industry and other economic sectors, but undermining the profitability of power generation.

Meanwhile, the annual operating hours of coal power are expected to decline further over time, due to competition from renewable energy and severe overcapacity of the whole system.

With coal plants averaging around 4,000 hours of operation per year, less than half of the 8,760 theoretical maximum, the profitability of major power companies is already extremely low. Last year saw the first bankruptcies in the sector, with pressure from wind and solar one of the key factors.

Electricity market reforms, due to be implemented over the next few years, make the profitability of new coal plants even lower and more uncertain, as the power system moves away from guaranteed operating hours and prices.

The need for capacity to meet peak demand will also be substantially reduced when cross-region t***smission and flexibility increases, instead of every province building capacity as if it was an island. Many of the proposed capacity targets and projections appear to ignore these changes.

Climate crunch
Chinese energy data published in late February made it clear that clean-energy investment will need to accelerate substantially to meet China’s climate goals. CO2 emissions increased for the third year in a row in 2019, by around 2%, and only 35% of the increase in energy demand was covered by low-carbon sources.

This share will have to reach 100% or more for emissions to peak and decline, especially as the focus on energy security limits the scope for switching from coal to gas and oil.

Taken together, the evidence points to multiple reasons why some of the major state-owned coal power developers are hesitant to commit to new coal. This is fundamentally different from the assumptions of the policymaking bodies and lobby groups mentioned above.

America 1 Loc: South Miami

That's one bigass alligator.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

LOL, that was exactly my thought the first time I saw that picture.. but a big bunch of rock in t***h.. I think..

great minds think alike and all that.. have a good evening..

Cuda2020

The warming of the Eocene period would be unlivable by humans. WE have more then enough data to know, which is why bells are ringing, the trajectory is undeniable as it is unfolds before us, or do you really still not believe. Tell me what does it take?

Cuda2020

And as usual you offer nothing on the issue.

Cuda2020

Spoken from someone who doesn't understand scientific fact and research at all, guess we're done here.

Cuda2020

Th US has the second largest footprint, second to China, therefore it is right we need to do more. Your analogies don't relate, but since you like physics I'll give you this one, If you have a gallon bucket filled with a gallon of water, how much more water is needed to overflow the bucket, I'll give you time to think about it and see if you can connect the dots to what I'm saying. A clue, it does have to do with man's input.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

Good grief, 'cuda! That lame attempt at an example has so many holes that it could not POSSIBLY contain even a pint of water. I expect better attempts at reasoning from you.

Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial

Wow, I guess we can never question you? You must be omniscience?