God. Also: Religion.
Feb 20, 2021 07:01:27 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Not all people seek a reason or a meaning... Some folk simply enjoy the time they are here...
They can’t when there is nothing.
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The God = Morality argument is a logic fallacy.. It cannot be proven or demonstrated....
To those who don’t acknowledge there is a God it is.
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Saying an atheist is really an agnostic is like saying a Christian is really a Muslim...
No it isn’t. No one truly believes there is nothing.
15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them
Romans 2:15
Feb 20, 2021 07:02:29 #
Feb 20, 2021 08:43:14 #
Rose42 wrote:
No it isn’t. No one truly believes there is nothing.
15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them
Romans 2:15
15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them
Romans 2:15
I can honestly say that there are people who believe there is nothing... Speaking from personal experience...
Feb 20, 2021 11:43:10 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I can honestly say that there are people who believe there is nothing... Speaking from personal experience...
I have met some who say they believe there is nothing. Their claim to contentment is a facade. They are nice people with a conscience yet cannot say why they have morals or where they come from. Animals don’t have morals or a conscience - and they will k**l indiscriminately.
What is interesting is they don’t know what stops them from leading a completely hedonistic lifestyle.
Feb 20, 2021 16:59:59 #
kemmer wrote:
OMG! Are those balloons the colors of the Rainbow F**g?? 😂😂😂😂
God owns the rainbow!!
Feb 20, 2021 17:01:16 #
tNotMyPrez wrote:
For those who believe in the rapture, if they're posting here, or any who are up to skulduggery elsewhere, doubt they're in that book...
Hasn’t happened yet!! Sad for unbelievers!
Feb 20, 2021 17:11:41 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I can honestly say that there are people who believe there is nothing... Speaking from personal experience...
You are one sadly confused individual.
Feb 20, 2021 19:27:03 #
Rose42 wrote:
Its an empty existence without a belief. People say they search for t***h but they are really looking for ways to buttress their unbelief. If one believes there is no God then where does their sense of morality come from?
Some creatures, including most humans, have the capacity for empathy, and care about the well-being of those they empathize with. What else of worth is "morality"?
Would you only behave well toward your fellow humans if you thought a God would see what you do? What if God looked the other way, and you knew God wouldn't know what you were doing -- how would that change your behavior? Or what if there were no God; how would _that_ change your behavior?
Feb 20, 2021 20:37:56 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Not all people seek a reason or a meaning... Some folk simply enjoy the time they are here...
The God = Morality argument is a logic fallacy.. It cannot be proven or demonstrated....
Saying an atheist is really an agnostic is like saying a Christian is really a Muslim...
The God = Morality argument is a logic fallacy.. It cannot be proven or demonstrated....
Saying an atheist is really an agnostic is like saying a Christian is really a Muslim...
I agree with what Canuckus Deploracus said there, at least approximately.
The God = Morality argument is wrong. However, I don't see the need for the word "morality". Why not use some simpler terminology, like "to behave well" and "to behave badly"? Even "ethics" (which is also a complicated word) is probably a more meaningful term than "morality".
An atheist believes there is no god. The agnostic doesn't know whether there's a god or not, and doesn't claim to believe either way.
It's very sensible to be agnostic. I wish I could be agnostic. However, I feel compelled to be honest and admit that I do believe there is a god; I feel sure there is at least one god; I just don't claim much detailed knowledge about any god. I just don't want to get silly about a god. I can say I'm "mostly agnostic". I think God likes and approves of agnostics about the same as (or maybe more than) God likes and approves of people who believe there's a god.
Ideally I'd behave well toward everybody. I should behave exactly the same whether there's a god or not.
Christians and Muslims both have the God of Abraham. They diverge regarding Jesus. (And they might also diverge way back about the time of Isaac and Ishmael, but I haven't studied the matter.) Most of my experience of religions is Christians or people who call themselves Christians. So far Muslims seem more sensible to me, but I've only known a few of them, and I haven't read their holy book, so maybe they have some silliness that I haven't noticed yet.
Religion can be useful for traditions, comfort, community, framework, and codifying ideas. Unfortunately it often comes with some undesirable traits. For example, sometimes a religious person will say, "Only my religion is the right one. People in other religions are wrong. They should learn about my religion." but the same person doesn't even attempt to learn about the other people's religions. I'm not sure of the exact word that describes that, but "arrogance" might fit. And it's not just an annoying personality trait; many such people have k**led others, and have purported to justify the k*****g by a similar line of thought. In such a way, religion has caused a lot of misery in the world. I think God would have preferred them to have no religion at all, rather than to spread that misery the way they did.
Feb 20, 2021 20:54:13 #
JohnCo wrote:
...Would you only behave well toward your fellow humans if you thought a God would see what you do? What if God looked the other way, and you knew God wouldn't know what you were doing -- how would that change your behavior?...
Character is what is revealed by what you do when no one is looking.
Feb 20, 2021 21:03:18 #
Parky60 wrote:
Character is what is revealed by what you do when no one is looking.
Is that why you enjoy anonymous forums??
Feb 20, 2021 21:03:42 #
Parky60 wrote:
You are one sadly confused individual.
Just more travelled than some....
Feb 20, 2021 21:04:11 #
Feb 21, 2021 06:56:32 #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Just more travelled than some....
No...confused and worldly.
Feb 21, 2021 07:37:16 #
JohnCo wrote:
Some creatures, including most humans, have the capacity for empathy, and care about the well-being of those they empathize with. What else of worth is "morality"?
Humans tend to anthropomorphize animal behavior.
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Would you only behave well toward your fellow humans if you thought a God would see what you do? What if God looked the other way, and you knew God wouldn't know what you were doing -- how would that change your behavior? Or what if there were no God; how would _that_ change your behavior?
The point is why do you have a conscience? Outside of something being in it for you - such as feeling good about yourself- why would you ever do the right thing or help anyone?
God sees everything and the intent. Nothing can be done for effect
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