lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Is it like the one you put your phone number on to stop spam calls that doesn’t work either?? One feature of my phone, it does block suspected spam calls...

I just looked up one of those sites you speak of ~~ look who is #325 as f**e.<<<
Yet ~ Q***n is not on it...

https://www.cjr.org/f**e-beta

I used to look at them before but stopped because they were just as misguiding as the rest of the propaganda....

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Yes, yes, I attacked you again...Our posts speak for themself, with you, a good thing... Ut oh, guess thats another attack, eh???😂😂No need to reply~~~

SSDD

Yes, you people do rely on opinion when it comes to Trump and ALTERNATE facts, which aren't even facts at all, more akin to lies really.

As for the earlier portion, IF the opinion appears to based on solid facts then yes, REASONABLE people CAN BE swayed. That leaves Trumplicans out but still includes many conservatives, centrists and liberals, just not all liberals necessarily, it also eliminates some Republicans, Trumplicans comes to mind but there MAY be some conservatives that are NOT Trumplicans but still not reasonable. I can't think of any examples of a non-Trumplican conservative that is not reasonable right off but there may be some.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

You are prefacing your statement on Trump or non~Trumplican conservatives where my discussion was not relevant to “ Trump” in any capacity, period...slightly modifying the context or topic is irrelevant to the basic make up of opinion and facts and opinion based on facts etc...

Rose42

Ssdd has trouble leaving Trump out of anything. The Trump supporters I know are as varied as the non Trump supporters I know. Whooda thunkit. Lol

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Riiiiiiiiggghhhttt, lolol ..For the majority anyway~~

SSDD

Expect all you like, when I see a troll, I call it a troll. Feel free to point out any time Rose42 backs anything that they say with facts. Feel free to point out any time Rose42 is anything but argumentative, condescending (like they are ever entitled to be condescending) or borderline/out right insulting towards anyone that has an opposing viewpoint or in anyway whatsoever unkind to Trump or his Trumplicans, even if that unkindness is merely correcting their misinformation. You have too high of an impression of the troll. It makes sense though, they are a Trumplican just like you are.

As for "If I’m reading this correctly you are saying simply because a person will not be swayed by your facts or facts presented they are a troll???Reaaaalllyyy?". I do not present "my facts? I do not create facts, they do not belong to me, they are FACTS, natural facts, facts based on reality and t***h, most from "the horse's mouth", so to speak, or links to articles based on easily verifiable facts, with links posted to those facts. They are hardly "my facts". I know what you are trying to imply here and there is quite difference between what I post as facts and the "facts" that Trumplicans post from RW fringe media. I have done a few fact checks on some of the "fact based", "t***hful" articles that Trumplicans think proves their side of things. The most recent one, as I recall, I even pointed out where they took some of their "facts" from another article, that they took what that other article that they linked to, out of context, either by accident or deliberately, I didn't speculate on that and other areas where they altered the facts presented in the other article. It I think was in these last two weeks maybe. I also pointed out the WAY too obvious bias in the wording of the article.

As for me feeling provoked, I do not really provoke so easily. It takes quite a bit to provoke me. No, they ATTEMPT to provoke, but they do not so easily succeed. That is part of the reason that I disengage from those that I feel are only trying to get a rise from me. The very reason I do not reply to Rose42, they NEVER back anything they say or claim with any facts, they add nothing more than mere opinion to any discussion, they attempt to antagonize, in every way possible, they exemplify the very traits of "trolldom". Though for you to imply that I am calling YOU a troll... I have no idea why you may have perceived that, though given my poor memory, who knows...

I did most definitely said "“It tends to be the best way to deal with Trolls that will not be swayed regardless the facts that you present to them. Trolls are NEVER swayed by facts, their one true purpose is to be argumentative” <rest of sentence omitted>" and I stand by that statement too. Of curse trolls are NOT the only ones to refuse to be swayed by facts, some people refuse to be swayed by facts because they honestly do not believe them to be facts. I have known quite a few very fine people that were just a bit too paranoid and untrusting, but otherwise, good people.

No, there are some trolls around and some people that honestly believe in what they are saying, the difference is that those that may honestly believe what they say will try to prove it with what they deem to be facts. Trolls don't ever bother with that.



P.S. I was nearly done replying yesterday when the tab got closed by accident, the reply was COMPLETELY lost even after I retrieved the page from history, the frustration, coupled with a busy schedule and some dogs wanting out, I failed to get back to the reply and today was the day from hell, 12 hours waiting around at a hospital. Sorry about that.

SSDD

Ah, you didn't say "As for Trump facts we’ll rely on our “ opinion and facts” as argued in the past...😉" then? You had best re-secure your account then, someone must be hacking in and changing your posts.

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-209741-15.html#3649438

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

As for Rose I will not debate how she is seen by you and will stand on my opinion of a fine lady who is not argumentative and certainly not a troll...

As for “ facts” everyone’s “ facts” have merit agree or not and because they may not be facts you can agree with it nonetheless is facts as perceived by the other party just as “ your facts” are perceived by you..I think we agree on this as I recognize this in me often enough..

I’m glad you are not easily provoked.. There is no reason for it more than anything else.. Admittedly we are all passionate about our position and some write antagonizing out of their their need to feel superior or as it is simply their writing style, don’t know, don’t care... We all fall victim to that holier than tho attitude when we feel we have sufficiently defined ourself or position only to have it attacked with snide, self righteous comments or at least viewed as such.. It is passion driven SSDD and we are filled with passion when defending our opinion... What we fail to do is recognize it as such and just keep it simple.. Personal attacks serve no useful purpose and are counter productive doing nothing more than incite more..<Guilty as charged, I am too> we just have to learn to accept the situation for what it brings out and keep on going..

If I implied you called me a troll, then I said something the wrong way.. I did not mean to imply that at all and apologize..

On your PS~~ I have done the very same, usually when I’m near completion and lengthly to have it lost completely too!! Most maddening!!!

I do hope your 12 hours waiting around in a hospital was nothing major and that you are now better for it..If waiting for someone else, I hope they are alright too..

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Yes, I did say that but meaning it in the context of your comment of Trump.. Sincerely when I was sharing about opinions over facts I was speaking in generality of our ongoing discussion relative to it, not Trump..

Rose42

Not only are you easily provoked but you’re dishonest to boot - about numerous things. As usual.

Rose42

Reasonable people anyway. Lol.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Better~ yes, reasonable people..

SSDD

"Facts" only have value if they are based on t***h and reality, otherwise they are fallacies and of no real value.

As for your third paragraph, yes, passion does have a way of creeping into our posts. About the only things I feel that I truly get passionate about is the t***h, reality and a job well done. The last one does not really apply in message boards, despite the strength, or lack thereof, of one's argument, it will not likely sway someone of an opposing viewpoint if that someone refuses to be swayed, regardless of the strength or weakness of their case. As such, the job will likely never be "well done". As an aside, any relation to Yoda? Full of jokes I am.

Fourth paragraph, it did seem as though you were implying that I called you a troll, if you weren't implying such, I am sorry for the incorrect inference.

Fifth paragraph, oh yeah, I suspect we ALL have done that a time or two, I just do it a bit more frequently with my constant tab switches to research, confirm my facts, C/P links, C/P quotes or what have you. I value t***h, reality, facts and honesty and as such, I usually like to make sure I have my facts straight and am honestly conveying the facts. All the same, I still occasionally mix some things up, but when I do, it is ALWAYS an honest mistake, I NEVER deliberately misconstrue the facts or post incorrect data, but it happens to EVERYONE on occasion. My anal retentive, borderline OCD, attention to detail and compulsion to have my facts straight leads to MANY tab switches in my posted replies, especially the more involved and lengthy posts. The more frequent the tab switches are, the better the odds tend to be of "oops's", the more frustrated one can become.

The "12 hour hospital trip" was not for me, I had to drive someone else to the hospital. If it wasn't for his great pain on the trip in, he could have driven in, if not for his COMPLETE lack of pain, he could have driven back home, I had to drive BOTH ways. Had I known it would have taken 12 hours, I would have dropped him at the door and returned to pick him up when he called to say he was soon to be done. One hour trip each way, the "todo list" items checked off my list would far outweigh the fuel consumed in a double trip. That coupled with the reduction in the boredom of sitting around "twiddling my thumbs" would nearly encourage me to pay him the value of my own fuel used as an "appreciation gift" for me not being so bored out of my skull, even though I had PLENTY of reading material stashed away in the pockets on the backs of my seats. I ALWAYS maintain fresh reading materials in the backs of my seats for those "down times" while waiting around when I drive people places. Considering replacing reading materials with smaller, but still necessary and important projects and the tools/supplies needed to perform those tasks, much better use of time than reading Popular Mechanics, Popular Science, Hot Rod Magazine, Super Chevy, Road and Track, Car and Driver among other such titles. I wonder... What would the hospital have thought or said had I chosen to do some routine vehicle maintenance in the ER parking lot... Aw hell, if I had jacked the vehicle up to do some routine maintenance, the police may have shown up to arrest the "cat burglar". There has been a rash of catalytic converter thefts lately, they probably would have thought that was what I was doing, stealing someone's "cat"... Can one imagine the awkward discussion that the officer and I would have had?

SSDD

I favor facts over opinion. To each their own I suppose. I have personally known some people, in the past, the present, and likely in the future, that had some... Let's call them "interesting opinions"... I put absolutely zero faith in those "interesting opinions. some of those "interesting opinions", while wholly invalid at the time, technologically impossible back when those "interesting opinions" were being stated, not quite so "in the now". This one acquaintance believed that EVERY electronic device in their home, car, elsewhere, was spying on them for the government, back in the 90's, that was technologically impossible because those devices, unless bugs planted in them, lacked the cameras, microphones and/or GPS locators to do any spying. Now days, we have all this "smart technology" that gives this equipment the cameras, microphones, internet access, bluetooth, WIFI and/or GPS locators to put everything we do or say "out on front street". Want privacy? K**l Alexa, Siri and wh**ever other digital personal assistants your equipment may utilize. Even many home security systems spy on the home's occupants, they can provide an additional layer of safety, security and convenience, but they can also strip away layers of safety and security if someone hacks the system.