Disclaimer: Before I begin, let me set this rule for our debate. We must follow reason and not Emotion or Spirituality(Faith). And attack the subject manner not the poster. If you agree to this please post "agree to the Disclaimer" in your first reply.

We live in America. And living in America we take a great responsibility. Since a vast majority of us were born here, this is our home. And although we love peace among nations, we long for peace among our friends, neighbors, and in general, the general public.

The current state of the Union is poor. We are on the verge of civil war, with members from both sides accusing each other of s******n. But we all know how this argument goes:

"G****e F***d was brutally murdered because he was black" reads a liberal paper.
"We condemn the brutal murder of G****e F***d" reads a conservative paper.
"We condemn the brutal murder of G****e F***d, but we need to defund the police," reads a liberal paper.
"Not all police are the guilty of murdering G****e F***d" reads a conservative paper.
"We will protest in the streets, on our cause. This was police brutality and the police must be held accountable. Defund the police." reads a liberal paper.
"Disbanding or defunding the police is ludicrous. Imagine if you needed the assistance of the police. There would be no one to help you." reads a conservative paper.
"We want justice for G****e F***d and others. DEFUND the Police." reads a liberal paper.

Then in shock of both sides protesters take to the streets and destroy small businesses already hurting from the p******c.

"The Conservatives are at fault for the damage done in our streets. We held a peaceful protest" reads a liberal paper, as in the back ground r****rs are burning down a building. "Since when must protesters be nice, and non violent?" reads a liberal paper.

"In the background you can see r****rs destroying the city, yet the Mayor does nothing. The r****rs are insurgents." reads a conservative paper.
"The so called insurgents or r****rs are nothing but peaceful protesters standing up for what they believe in. Let them speak. Listen to their concerns." reads a liberal paper.
"They are insurgents, call on the national guard to restore law and order" reads a conservative paper.
"Don't send in the guard, it is not needed. Tell your president we don't need federal law enforcement" reads a liberal paper.

and so on and so on.

Look this is how America saw the events play out on live TV, in the various liberal and conservative news broadcasts. So its alright to burn cities but not break into the capitol?

Let's look at this question logically: R****rs destroy small businesses in Wisconsin, Seattle and Portland as well as other American Cities. R****rs also stormed the Capitol. Who is to blame? This is how it played out:

"Donald Trump caused these incidents to occur. His lack of leadership lead to these problems we face on the streets" reads a liberal paper.

"Where were these mayors, and local law enforcement? Where is their leadership? They are letting their cities burn. Donald Trump offered his help in controlling the situation but was turned down. For weeks now the cities have been burning. When will the Mayors and Governors accept Donald Trump's help in quelling the disaster?" reads a conservative paper.

....Then after the Capitol got stormed because the r****rs felt their voice was not being heard:

"Donald Trump incited a r**t, he is the cause of this unrest! He must be impeached(again)" reads a liberal paper.

"Donald Trump told his supports to 'make their voices heard, in a peaceful march to the Capitol. He told them 'That it must be peaceful'" reads a conservative paper.

"He incited this r**t. This is not a r**t nor a protest this is insurgency" reads a liberal paper.

"What happened to a 'peaceful protest' I thought peaceful protestors are 'not always nice'" reports a conservative paper.

Now hold on folks, Rod Serling, Alfred Hitchcock, Orson Welles, and Stephen King would be proud.

They all warned us about these days. Hell, Rod Serling in the "Twilight Zone", Alfred Hitchcock, with "Secret Window", Orson Welles, in both "Animal Farm" and "1984", Stephen King, with "The Stand" described all the events of 2020, and they would be proud at how right they really were.

We are now living in a twisted episode of the Twilight Zone.

Yet, like a good politician, I have yet to answer the question: "What do we do about this?", and I haven't even mentioned the p******c. Stephen King did a good story about p******cs, and there is even an episode in the Twilight Zone, a few of them.

But in each of these provocative fiction shows, (Twilight Zone, Animal Farm, 1984, etc.) the ending was uplifting. The writers of the past were amazing and made you think. Or did they......What have we learned?

If you are on the right and you seek to hold A****a, and Black Lives, matter, be brought up on terrorist charges.......

If you are on the left, and you seek to hold Donald Trump responsible for the storming of the Capitol......

I say to both of you, in the words of William Shakespeare, "ALL is PUNISHED!"

Now why did I give that response?

"Because you are a Trump supporter and he is a t*****r" says the liberal
"Because you are just another crazy nut case extremist" says the conservative.

No because I used reason. Those who r**ted on the urging of democrat lawmakers, are just as guilty as those who r**ted on the hint of urging of Donald J. Trump.

The solution is not more restriction. Look at it this way. You have a certain amount of explosive in a container. If you compress that can, therefore restricting it, what happens? BOOM! But if you unrestrain it, what happens? Nothing it remains inert.

Look at it like a parent scolding a child. Joe Biden and the Democrats would beat that child to a pulp. Hell, that child would be grounded for life, and then beat all to hell Wait, Ranger, that's what conservatives do. Or do they?

First of all there cannot be any unity of any sort if there is a double standard. So that is what takes the power away from the left or the right to admonish the other. There is no high moral ground to take, for the protesters themselves on the right and the left used up all moral ground. Sad but true. But there is an avenue of Justice, and that avenue of Justice is to hold everyone equally responsible to the act; or hold nobody accountable and chalk it up to the frustration of the American people.

My friends, neither I nor you have the answer to the question I posted. But maybe we can start a dialogue, to come to a conclusion, such that the innocent people of this country do not have to bleed for the sins of the guilty. This is an attempt to find wisdom and perhaps have our leaders read it.

After swearing no more news, we turned on Newsmax last night and found a most amazing show. The Trump Show, Trump made America fun again. He has a most delightful sense of humor and has had since he was a young man on David Letterman’s show. We laughed along with them and suddenly felt better but, strangely just a little more loss. It has been so refreshing to have a leader with a sense of humor,and a sense of p***e in our country. He gave us renewed hope and now it’s lost. I hope none of the people on here going for Trump’s jugular make their nasty remarks.

Disclaimer: Before I begin, let me set this rule for our debate. We must follow reason and not Emotion or Spirituality(Faith). And attack the subject manner not the poster. If you agree to this please post "agree to the Disclaimer" in your first reply.

We live in America. And living in America we take a great responsibility. Since a vast majority of us were born here, this is our home. And although we love peace among nations, we long for peace among our friends, neighbors, and in general, the general public.

The current state of the Union is poor. We are on the verge of civil war, with members from both sides accusing each other of s******n. But we all know how this argument goes:

"G****e F***d was brutally murdered because he was black" reads a liberal paper.
"We condemn the brutal murder of G****e F***d" reads a conservative paper.
"We condemn the brutal murder of G****e F***d, but we need to defund the police," reads a liberal paper.
"Not all police are the guilty of murdering G****e F***d" reads a conservative paper.
"We will protest in the streets, on our cause. This was police brutality and the police must be held accountable. Defund the police." reads a liberal paper.
"Disbanding or defunding the police is ludicrous. Imagine if you needed the assistance of the police. There would be no one to help you." reads a conservative paper.
"We want justice for G****e F***d and others. DEFUND the Police." reads a liberal paper.

Then in shock of both sides protesters take to the streets and destroy small businesses already hurting from the p******c.

"The Conservatives are at fault for the damage done in our streets. We held a peaceful protest" reads a liberal paper, as in the back ground r****rs are burning down a building. "Since when must protesters be nice, and non violent?" reads a liberal paper.

"In the background you can see r****rs destroying the city, yet the Mayor does nothing. The r****rs are insurgents." reads a conservative paper.
"The so called insurgents or r****rs are nothing but peaceful protesters standing up for what they believe in. Let them speak. Listen to their concerns." reads a liberal paper.
"They are insurgents, call on the national guard to restore law and order" reads a conservative paper.
"Don't send in the guard, it is not needed. Tell your president we don't need federal law enforcement" reads a liberal paper.

and so on and so on.

Look this is how America saw the events play out on live TV, in the various liberal and conservative news broadcasts. So its alright to burn cities but not break into the capitol?

Let's look at this question logically: R****rs destroy small businesses in Wisconsin, Seattle and Portland as well as other American Cities. R****rs also stormed the Capitol. Who is to blame? This is how it played out:

"Donald Trump caused these incidents to occur. His lack of leadership lead to these problems we face on the streets" reads a liberal paper.

"Where were these mayors, and local law enforcement? Where is their leadership? They are letting their cities burn. Donald Trump offered his help in controlling the situation but was turned down. For weeks now the cities have been burning. When will the Mayors and Governors accept Donald Trump's help in quelling the disaster?" reads a conservative paper.

....Then after the Capitol got stormed because the r****rs felt their voice was not being heard:

"Donald Trump incited a r**t, he is the cause of this unrest! He must be impeached(again)" reads a liberal paper.

"Donald Trump told his supports to 'make their voices heard, in a peaceful march to the Capitol. He told them 'That it must be peaceful'" reads a conservative paper.

"He incited this r**t. This is not a r**t nor a protest this is insurgency" reads a liberal paper.

"What happened to a 'peaceful protest' I thought peaceful protestors are 'not always nice'" reports a conservative paper.

Now hold on folks, Rod Serling, Alfred Hitchcock, Orson Welles, and Stephen King would be proud.

They all warned us about these days. Hell, Rod Serling in the "Twilight Zone", Alfred Hitchcock, with "Secret Window", Orson Welles, in both "Animal Farm" and "1984", Stephen King, with "The Stand" described all the events of 2020, and they would be proud at how right they really were.

We are now living in a twisted episode of the Twilight Zone.

Yet, like a good politician, I have yet to answer the question: "What do we do about this?", and I haven't even mentioned the p******c. Stephen King did a good story about p******cs, and there is even an episode in the Twilight Zone, a few of them.

But in each of these provocative fiction shows, (Twilight Zone, Animal Farm, 1984, etc.) the ending was uplifting. The writers of the past were amazing and made you think. Or did they......What have we learned?

If you are on the right and you seek to hold A****a, and Black Lives, matter, be brought up on terrorist charges.......

If you are on the left, and you seek to hold Donald Trump responsible for the storming of the Capitol......

I say to both of you, in the words of William Shakespeare, "ALL is PUNISHED!"

Now why did I give that response?

"Because you are a Trump supporter and he is a t*****r" says the liberal
"Because you are just another crazy nut case extremist" says the conservative.

No because I used reason. Those who r**ted on the urging of democrat lawmakers, are just as guilty as those who r**ted on the hint of urging of Donald J. Trump.

The solution is not more restriction. Look at it this way. You have a certain amount of explosive in a container. If you compress that can, therefore restricting it, what happens? BOOM! But if you unrestrain it, what happens? Nothing it remains inert.

Look at it like a parent scolding a child. Joe Biden and the Democrats would beat that child to a pulp. Hell, that child would be grounded for life, and then beat all to hell Wait, Ranger, that's what conservatives do. Or do they?

First of all there cannot be any unity of any sort if there is a double standard. So that is what takes the power away from the left or the right to admonish the other. There is no high moral ground to take, for the protesters themselves on the right and the left used up all moral ground. Sad but true. But there is an avenue of Justice, and that avenue of Justice is to hold everyone equally responsible to the act; or hold nobody accountable and chalk it up to the frustration of the American people.

My friends, neither I nor you have the answer to the question I posted. But maybe we can start a dialogue, to come to a conclusion, such that the innocent people of this country do not have to bleed for the sins of the guilty. This is an attempt to find wisdom and perhaps have our leaders read it.

For those of you who do not understand how Trump made America "whole" again, you must understand why the man was sent to washington in the first place. I said, "Trump made America whole" not that he "United the Country", there is a difference. Trump could have united the country, but that would be hypocrisy. Now, if Trump is impeached again, and if Parlor is censored, I have a warning for you who support such a venture:


"You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at wh**ever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on t***h. So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance? But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed."
Romans 2:1-5.

If you do not understand that point understand this one:

"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

“Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.

“But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. The greatest among you will be your servant. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.


The chapter continues as the 7 woes to Senators, and Representatives, sent to Washington. These are your seven woes.


“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

“Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’ You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’ You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will k**l and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who k**l the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Look, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”

Mathew 23:1-39

This warning is placed upon anyone who is a hypocrite and practices hypocritical ways. Well, the Democrats and those Republicans who are seeking Donald Trump's second impeachment, are practicing hypocrisy. For it is an attack on Free Speech. Donald Trump is not responsible for h**e speech or any speech that caused the storming of the capitol. For if that action is taken then there is a list of elected officials that must resign. For example, Maxine Waters should be held responsible to the attack on Sarah Sanders at a Washington DC restaurant.

For those of you who do not understand how Trump made America "whole" again, you must understand why the man was sent to washington in the first place. I said, "Trump made America whole" not that he "United the Country", there is a difference. Trump could have united the country, but that would be hypocrisy. Now, if Trump is impeached again, and if Parlor is censored, I have a warning for you who support such a venture:


"You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at wh**ever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on t***h. So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance? But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed."
Romans 2:1-5.

If you do not understand that point understand this one:

"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

“Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.

“But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. The greatest among you will be your servant. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.


The chapter continues as the 7 woes to Senators, and Representatives, sent to Washington. These are your seven woes.


“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

“Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’ You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’ You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will k**l and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who k**l the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Look, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’”

Mathew 23:1-39

This warning is placed upon anyone who is a hypocrite and practices hypocritical ways. Well, the Democrats and those Republicans who are seeking Donald Trump's second impeachment, are practicing hypocrisy. For it is an attack on Free Speech. Donald Trump is not responsible for h**e speech or any speech that caused the storming of the capitol. For if that action is taken then there is a list of elected officials that must resign. For example, Maxine Waters should be held responsible to the attack on Sarah Sanders at a Washington DC restaurant.

I posted the biblical reference to make those who can hear, hear; and those who can see, see; Perhaps the most hypocritical is to impeach a president who called for the crowd to make their voices heard and perhaps persuade others to join the movement and protest the e*******l college. Not to march in and storm the capital.

Look many people on the right believe that the efforts of the left and what they did to President Trump is t*****rous i**********n and a c**pe. From the FBI wrongly accusing a sitting president, to an independent counsel who followed the wrong accusation and found nothing. To the false accusation of the House of Representatives against this president to the evil that perpetrated against the president and his supporters. If Congress really wants to stop what happened in Washington last wednesday, then they would, "take the plank out of their own eye, before telling their neighbor to take the splinter out of his eye"

I have heard Donald Trump compared to many villains of History, yet he is not the villain. Sure the leaders of the left want you to believe he is, but if you research the history of the past four years with an open mind, you will find what many of us already knew, there is no basis in their attacks. One side paints Trump as Satan incarnate, while the other paints him as a savior. Well, which is it?

If you compare the good that was done to the bad that was done, you get neither a saint nor the devil; what you get is a man, who fought against impossible odds and won. That's what you get. Look back at World War II, would Hitler allow the Allies to down a German Drone, flying over Allied territory? Of course not, Hitler would have attacked the territory. And he did. But Donald Trump did not k**l 150 Iranians when the same situation occurred. Therefore, and there is more stories similar to this one, therefore Donald Trump cannot be compared to Hitler. Except in the manner of acting as Commander-in-Chief, Donald Trump did not "dictate" what his administration did, he listened to them then made a decision from two opposing viewpoints and searched for the best possible answer with the best information at the time. Instead of being praised for his successes he is crucified for his failures. And what is his failure? He failed to convince the left that they are just not right.

There is a difference between a r**t and an i**********n. Our Capitol has been sacked one time prior to January the 6th and that was when we were in a state of war with another county. This was an i**********n, not a r**t, for the purpose of stopping the confirmation of Joe Biden for president. If you want to talk about your rights what right do you have to disenfranchise 81 million Americans simply because you lost the e******n?

I'm sorry if you didn't get as many v**es as we did but you didn't--not in total, and not in the e*******l college. On top of that, you were given the opportunity to prove fraud in over 60 courtrooms and you were unable to do so. Yet you still refused to accept defeat and have instead taken the position of your leader. Well, I can't help you there and you say Donald Trump has brought us together--well, only from your perspective because from where I stand this is the most divided we have ever been. You can't lie yourself into an e******n no matter how badly you wanted to win.

There is a difference between a r**t and an i**********n. Our Capitol has been sacked one time prior to January the 6th and that was when we were in a state of war with another county. This was an i**********n, not a r**t, for the purpose of stopping the confirmation of Joe Biden for president. If you want to talk about your rights what right do you have to disenfranchise 81 million Americans simply because you lost the e******n?

I'm sorry if you didn't get as many v**es as we did but you didn't--not in total, and not in the e*******l college. On top of that, you were given the opportunity to prove fraud in over 60 courtrooms and you were unable to do so. Yet you still refused to accept defeat and have instead taken the position of your leader. Well, I can't help you there and you say Donald Trump has brought us together--well, only from your perspective because from where I stand this is the most divided we have ever been. You can't lie yourself into an e******n no matter how badly you wanted to win.