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Nov 30, 2020 17:07:34   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Let us reaffirm our beliefs

We Conservatives must reaffirm our beliefs and our programs for the future. Realistic self-examination is never a pleasant act, but it is necessary to be able to proceed with the faith and confidence in our cause.

So what are our beliefs? Within Conservatism I see nine orders of business to explain: spiritual, social, economic, political, cultural, law and order, military, foreign affairs and pivotal Issues. Conservatives blend each of these orders into their belief system. I will give my short version of these beliefs here, which will need further clarification and amplification to bring out each of the orders more fully. Within each order we must apply the following conservative factors to the appropriate degree: faith, realism, skepticism, federalism, evolutionism, and capitalism. Here is my listing:

1. Spiritual: We believe in God and have faith in the essence of His Word in the Bible as interpreted by Biblical scholars and men of the cloth. We follow its logical and moral precepts as best we can, especially the Golden Rule. We know that man is capable of great good, but we also know that he is capable of great evil. This fact has not changed significantly in thousands of years.

We believe in the infinite value of life, its preservation and its protection. We also believe in the sanctity of traditional marriage. We further believe that the movement to greater secularism in the nation is wrong, and it must be defeated or at least minimized. We believe in the Protestant work ethic and in p***e in our workmanship.

We also believe that men of good character and moral strength, although not believers in God, can be rightly in the fold of Conservatism if they strongly support the tenets below.

2. Social: We believe in self-reliance and individual responsibility and not government handouts at every hint of a “need” or entitlement. Government must not be the provider that everyone looks to in all cases. However, there must also be both government welfare and private charity to care for those who cannot care for themselves, together with disaster relief needs.

Our freedoms and liberties depend upon full protection by the government of our inalienable rights to private property-- land, material and intellectual. Government takings must be minimized.

We believe that our children must have a full and complete American education, devoid of negative bias and cant, and that well-formed curricula must be presented to them in the depth and breadth that they deserve. Further, this direction must be carried forward through higher education as well. We abhor the idea of our children being brainwashed by teachers and professors force-feeding a liberal ideology to our children and young adults. These educator types should be either fired or relegated to non-contact with students.

Our concept of a civil society demands that citizens respect and obey the law and avail themselves of standard procedures for redressing grievances. We believe that good citizenship also demands that we aid the poor and indigent, that we are a good neighbor, that we maintain a civil tongue, that we are persons of integrity and good will, and that we respect the religions of others. Moreover, we expect all citizens to be truly patriotic and to support our Constitution and the institutions that it prescribes.


3. Economic: We believe in tempering our mixed economy with greater freedoms as we go forward, since the operation of a free market is proven best for our economy. It is necessary, however, to have some minimal regulation to thwart the ever-present human vices of greed and avarice.

We believe in caring for our environment in a responsible and economic manner, but not in rushing to erect some fantastic approach to mitigate what has been termed G****l W*****g or C*****e C****e. We believe that proper scientific investigations must be completed in a timely manner by objective scientists, and properly peer reviewed, before spending billions of our taxpayer dollars for a chimera. That the current fantasy approach is not accepted science has been demonstrated by over 30,000 scientists, doctors and competent academics around the world signing up for dissent.

We believe in fair and moderate taxation that every citizen must participate in as a percentage of their purchases or consumption, not income. A Flat or Fair Tax is the right approach, replacing all other taxes. The idea of progressive taxation and releasing most citizens from their tax obligations, largely to redistribute wealth, is both undemocratic and toxic to our economy. We must squash the politics of envy.

We believe in fiscal responsibility and balanced budgets, which is not easily done now, but we must begin to regain control of our financial house immediately. We must disabuse Congress and the President of the notion that money collected from the taxpayer is their money to spend as they see fit, such as in earmarks, pork, special entitlements or "stimulus" that are in reality disguised favorite democratic programs.


4. Political: We believe in the precepts of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence and believe in an original and plain interpretation of the intent of their words.

We believe that whoever rules least, rules best. Small but effective governance over the essentials for our security is the right way. The 1,177 existing government boards, committees, agencies, foundations, and commissions must be significantly reduced, along with a simplification and synthesis of rules and regulations that have proliferated to a ridiculous extent. It is also apparent that federal government may be forced to grow to some extent in some areas because of the growth of our population, but it should be held to a workable percentage of the population.
This tenet extends to the resurgence of states’ rights as is called for in our Constitution as opposed to ever-increasing federal government dominance. We believe in subsidiarity: that is, placing decisions at the lowest level of governance possible.

We believe that experimentation with new government structures, institutions, and customs must be severely constrained, since such experimentation with what has been successful and traditional for over 230 years may ultimately redound to our detriment due to unforeseen negative consequences for our freedoms. There is a well-proven path for changes to our Constitution; any other path must be stopped---in particular, legislation from the bench.

This tenet applies also to the arena of international government, where we must not allow our sovereignty to be c*********d by the UN or any other organization. Today, too many of the nations of the world are far too hostile and amoral or immoral to permit real democratic worldwide governance. However, it is apparent that we must assume a positive and proactive role in foreign relations in concert with other truly democratic nations.

We believe that any person or group, any religion, or even nation that vows to o*******w our government or to harm our people has cast themselves out from our civil society and the protection of its laws, as well as the protection of accepted international treaties. The nations of Islam are definite candidates for such action. We must therefore do what is necessary against these enemies of the state to ensure our nation from harm. America comes first. There can be peace through strength and resolve.

5. Cultural: We believe that government must be color, race, and origin blind, and must ensure equal opportunity for all, while definitively rejecting the concept of equal outcomes for all as being an anathema to democracy. This extends to e******y of treatment of all citizens and not to special treatment of some minorities.

We believe in assimilation of immigrants, for example, and we believe that English must be the official language of the nation. We also believe that our multicultural society must be urged, even guided, in the direction of a composite, single American Culture over time, and that protected cultural diversity for its own sake is d******e and dangerous tribalism. However, private observance of a culture that breaks no laws is always acceptable.

6. Law and Order: We have a society that is governed by laws and not men. The basis for our laws is derived from the theory of natural law, including natural rights, and natural duties, and the main tenets of natural law have been embedded in the Declaration of Independence and in the Constitution by our founding fathers. (An outline of natural law, rights and duties is given in the Appendix. A summary of these derivative laws, rights, and duties is given in the book “The 5,000 Year Leap” by W. Cleon Skousen.)

7. Pivotal Issues: This order concerns many of the pivotal issues that have arisen in our society over the past several decades. We have seen the use of polarization in society to further the political objectives of a few, and the use of demonization along the lines of Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals for political dominance. This sort of pestilence must be halted.

To make matters worse, we have witnessed the many lies and false statements of intent of some in politics that deliberately fools the public at large as to the real intent of their Administration. It is also apparent that despite the promises of Obama, which leads to hidden malpractices, stonewalling, and lack of the public’s ability to set things right by v****g these people out of office and replacing them with honest and able people.

8. Military Readiness: We believe that the principal duty of government is to provide the security and defense of our nation against all forms of aggression coming from either within or without our sovereign borders. To preserve and protect is the motto. This includes the security of our borders from illegal entry, and the deportation of illegal entrants once found.

To this end, we must have a strong military and a strong internal police force that is given this mission covering land, sea, air and space. We must also recognize the threats we face from fanatics of many types, whether in or out of the country, and be prepared to deal with them effectively wherever necessary, even if it means preemptive action on our part. We believe in the concept of just war.

9. Foreign Affairs: The first consideration is our treaty membership in the United Nations. For all of the good the UN accomplishes, it has too many flaws to become the model, if not the actual organization, for a world centralized government with the powers of law-making, taxation and of wielding its own military force. There are far too many members, almost a majority, that are morally corrupt, intellectually inept or hostile to the US. Thus, we do not need to foster this organization and should not support morally corrupt and biased sects within the UN. We must retain our membership, especially because of the Security Council and other humanity supporting sub-organizations, but we must reject any attempts to promote the UN, or any other g*******t idea, to true governing status. We must retain our sovereignty at all costs.

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Nov 30, 2020 17:31:23   #
roy
 
manning5 wrote:
Let us reaffirm our beliefs

We Conservatives must reaffirm our beliefs and our programs for the future. Realistic self-examination is never a pleasant act, but it is necessary to be able to proceed with the faith and confidence in our cause.

So what are our beliefs? Within Conservatism I see nine orders of business to explain: spiritual, social, economic, political, cultural, law and order, military, foreign affairs and pivotal Issues. Conservatives blend each of these orders into their belief system. I will give my short version of these beliefs here, which will need further clarification and amplification to bring out each of the orders more fully. Within each order we must apply the following conservative factors to the appropriate degree: faith, realism, skepticism, federalism, evolutionism, and capitalism. Here is my listing:

1. Spiritual: We believe in God and have faith in the essence of His Word in the Bible as interpreted by Biblical scholars and men of the cloth. We follow its logical and moral precepts as best we can, especially the Golden Rule. We know that man is capable of great good, but we also know that he is capable of great evil. This fact has not changed significantly in thousands of years.

We believe in the infinite value of life, its preservation and its protection. We also believe in the sanctity of traditional marriage. We further believe that the movement to greater secularism in the nation is wrong, and it must be defeated or at least minimized. We believe in the Protestant work ethic and in p***e in our workmanship.

We also believe that men of good character and moral strength, although not believers in God, can be rightly in the fold of Conservatism if they strongly support the tenets below.

2. Social: We believe in self-reliance and individual responsibility and not government handouts at every hint of a “need” or entitlement. Government must not be the provider that everyone looks to in all cases. However, there must also be both government welfare and private charity to care for those who cannot care for themselves, together with disaster relief needs.

Our freedoms and liberties depend upon full protection by the government of our inalienable rights to private property-- land, material and intellectual. Government takings must be minimized.

We believe that our children must have a full and complete American education, devoid of negative bias and cant, and that well-formed curricula must be presented to them in the depth and breadth that they deserve. Further, this direction must be carried forward through higher education as well. We abhor the idea of our children being brainwashed by teachers and professors force-feeding a liberal ideology to our children and young adults. These educator types should be either fired or relegated to non-contact with students.

Our concept of a civil society demands that citizens respect and obey the law and avail themselves of standard procedures for redressing grievances. We believe that good citizenship also demands that we aid the poor and indigent, that we are a good neighbor, that we maintain a civil tongue, that we are persons of integrity and good will, and that we respect the religions of others. Moreover, we expect all citizens to be truly patriotic and to support our Constitution and the institutions that it prescribes.


3. Economic: We believe in tempering our mixed economy with greater freedoms as we go forward, since the operation of a free market is proven best for our economy. It is necessary, however, to have some minimal regulation to thwart the ever-present human vices of greed and avarice.

We believe in caring for our environment in a responsible and economic manner, but not in rushing to erect some fantastic approach to mitigate what has been termed G****l W*****g or C*****e C****e. We believe that proper scientific investigations must be completed in a timely manner by objective scientists, and properly peer reviewed, before spending billions of our taxpayer dollars for a chimera. That the current fantasy approach is not accepted science has been demonstrated by over 30,000 scientists, doctors and competent academics around the world signing up for dissent.

We believe in fair and moderate taxation that every citizen must participate in as a percentage of their purchases or consumption, not income. A Flat or Fair Tax is the right approach, replacing all other taxes. The idea of progressive taxation and releasing most citizens from their tax obligations, largely to redistribute wealth, is both undemocratic and toxic to our economy. We must squash the politics of envy.

We believe in fiscal responsibility and balanced budgets, which is not easily done now, but we must begin to regain control of our financial house immediately. We must disabuse Congress and the President of the notion that money collected from the taxpayer is their money to spend as they see fit, such as in earmarks, pork, special entitlements or "stimulus" that are in reality disguised favorite democratic programs.


4. Political: We believe in the precepts of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence and believe in an original and plain interpretation of the intent of their words.

We believe that whoever rules least, rules best. Small but effective governance over the essentials for our security is the right way. The 1,177 existing government boards, committees, agencies, foundations, and commissions must be significantly reduced, along with a simplification and synthesis of rules and regulations that have proliferated to a ridiculous extent. It is also apparent that federal government may be forced to grow to some extent in some areas because of the growth of our population, but it should be held to a workable percentage of the population.
This tenet extends to the resurgence of states’ rights as is called for in our Constitution as opposed to ever-increasing federal government dominance. We believe in subsidiarity: that is, placing decisions at the lowest level of governance possible.

We believe that experimentation with new government structures, institutions, and customs must be severely constrained, since such experimentation with what has been successful and traditional for over 230 years may ultimately redound to our detriment due to unforeseen negative consequences for our freedoms. There is a well-proven path for changes to our Constitution; any other path must be stopped---in particular, legislation from the bench.

This tenet applies also to the arena of international government, where we must not allow our sovereignty to be c*********d by the UN or any other organization. Today, too many of the nations of the world are far too hostile and amoral or immoral to permit real democratic worldwide governance. However, it is apparent that we must assume a positive and proactive role in foreign relations in concert with other truly democratic nations.

We believe that any person or group, any religion, or even nation that vows to o*******w our government or to harm our people has cast themselves out from our civil society and the protection of its laws, as well as the protection of accepted international treaties. The nations of Islam are definite candidates for such action. We must therefore do what is necessary against these enemies of the state to ensure our nation from harm. America comes first. There can be peace through strength and resolve.

5. Cultural: We believe that government must be color, race, and origin blind, and must ensure equal opportunity for all, while definitively rejecting the concept of equal outcomes for all as being an anathema to democracy. This extends to e******y of treatment of all citizens and not to special treatment of some minorities.

We believe in assimilation of immigrants, for example, and we believe that English must be the official language of the nation. We also believe that our multicultural society must be urged, even guided, in the direction of a composite, single American Culture over time, and that protected cultural diversity for its own sake is d******e and dangerous tribalism. However, private observance of a culture that breaks no laws is always acceptable.

6. Law and Order: We have a society that is governed by laws and not men. The basis for our laws is derived from the theory of natural law, including natural rights, and natural duties, and the main tenets of natural law have been embedded in the Declaration of Independence and in the Constitution by our founding fathers. (An outline of natural law, rights and duties is given in the Appendix. A summary of these derivative laws, rights, and duties is given in the book “The 5,000 Year Leap” by W. Cleon Skousen.)

7. Pivotal Issues: This order concerns many of the pivotal issues that have arisen in our society over the past several decades. We have seen the use of polarization in society to further the political objectives of a few, and the use of demonization along the lines of Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals for political dominance. This sort of pestilence must be halted.

To make matters worse, we have witnessed the many lies and false statements of intent of some in politics that deliberately fools the public at large as to the real intent of their Administration. It is also apparent that despite the promises of Obama, which leads to hidden malpractices, stonewalling, and lack of the public’s ability to set things right by v****g these people out of office and replacing them with honest and able people.

8. Military Readiness: We believe that the principal duty of government is to provide the security and defense of our nation against all forms of aggression coming from either within or without our sovereign borders. To preserve and protect is the motto. This includes the security of our borders from illegal entry, and the deportation of illegal entrants once found.

To this end, we must have a strong military and a strong internal police force that is given this mission covering land, sea, air and space. We must also recognize the threats we face from fanatics of many types, whether in or out of the country, and be prepared to deal with them effectively wherever necessary, even if it means preemptive action on our part. We believe in the concept of just war.

9. Foreign Affairs: The first consideration is our treaty membership in the United Nations. For all of the good the UN accomplishes, it has too many flaws to become the model, if not the actual organization, for a world centralized government with the powers of law-making, taxation and of wielding its own military force. There are far too many members, almost a majority, that are morally corrupt, intellectually inept or hostile to the US. Thus, we do not need to foster this organization and should not support morally corrupt and biased sects within the UN. We must retain our membership, especially because of the Security Council and other humanity supporting sub-organizations, but we must reject any attempts to promote the UN, or any other g*******t idea, to true governing status. We must retain our sovereignty at all costs.
Let us reaffirm our beliefs br br We Conserv... (show quote)


But most conseratives don't believe in your post they believe in conspiracy theories, and proaganda.

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Nov 30, 2020 18:04:22   #
PeterS
 
manning5 wrote:
Let us reaffirm our beliefs

We Conservatives must reaffirm our beliefs and our programs for the future. Realistic self-examination is never a pleasant act, but it is necessary to be able to proceed with the faith and confidence in our cause.

So what are our beliefs? Within Conservatism I see nine orders of business to explain: spiritual, social, economic, political, cultural, law and order, military, foreign affairs and pivotal Issues. Conservatives blend each of these orders into their belief system. I will give my short version of these beliefs here, which will need further clarification and amplification to bring out each of the orders more fully. Within each order we must apply the following conservative factors to the appropriate degree: faith, realism, skepticism, federalism, evolutionism, and capitalism. Here is my listing:

1. Spiritual: We believe in God and have faith in the essence of His Word in the Bible as interpreted by Biblical scholars and men of the cloth. We follow its logical and moral precepts as best we can, especially the Golden Rule. We know that man is capable of great good, but we also know that he is capable of great evil. This fact has not changed significantly in thousands of years.

We believe in the infinite value of life, its preservation and its protection. We also believe in the sanctity of traditional marriage. We further believe that the movement to greater secularism in the nation is wrong, and it must be defeated or at least minimized. We believe in the Protestant work ethic and in p***e in our workmanship.

We also believe that men of good character and moral strength, although not believers in God, can be rightly in the fold of Conservatism if they strongly support the tenets below.

2. Social: We believe in self-reliance and individual responsibility and not government handouts at every hint of a “need” or entitlement. Government must not be the provider that everyone looks to in all cases. However, there must also be both government welfare and private charity to care for those who cannot care for themselves, together with disaster relief needs.

Our freedoms and liberties depend upon full protection by the government of our inalienable rights to private property-- land, material and intellectual. Government takings must be minimized.

We believe that our children must have a full and complete American education, devoid of negative bias and cant, and that well-formed curricula must be presented to them in the depth and breadth that they deserve. Further, this direction must be carried forward through higher education as well. We abhor the idea of our children being brainwashed by teachers and professors force-feeding a liberal ideology to our children and young adults. These educator types should be either fired or relegated to non-contact with students.

Our concept of a civil society demands that citizens respect and obey the law and avail themselves of standard procedures for redressing grievances. We believe that good citizenship also demands that we aid the poor and indigent, that we are a good neighbor, that we maintain a civil tongue, that we are persons of integrity and good will, and that we respect the religions of others. Moreover, we expect all citizens to be truly patriotic and to support our Constitution and the institutions that it prescribes.


3. Economic: We believe in tempering our mixed economy with greater freedoms as we go forward, since the operation of a free market is proven best for our economy. It is necessary, however, to have some minimal regulation to thwart the ever-present human vices of greed and avarice.

We believe in caring for our environment in a responsible and economic manner, but not in rushing to erect some fantastic approach to mitigate what has been termed G****l W*****g or C*****e C****e. We believe that proper scientific investigations must be completed in a timely manner by objective scientists, and properly peer reviewed, before spending billions of our taxpayer dollars for a chimera. That the current fantasy approach is not accepted science has been demonstrated by over 30,000 scientists, doctors and competent academics around the world signing up for dissent.

We believe in fair and moderate taxation that every citizen must participate in as a percentage of their purchases or consumption, not income. A Flat or Fair Tax is the right approach, replacing all other taxes. The idea of progressive taxation and releasing most citizens from their tax obligations, largely to redistribute wealth, is both undemocratic and toxic to our economy. We must squash the politics of envy.

We believe in fiscal responsibility and balanced budgets, which is not easily done now, but we must begin to regain control of our financial house immediately. We must disabuse Congress and the President of the notion that money collected from the taxpayer is their money to spend as they see fit, such as in earmarks, pork, special entitlements or "stimulus" that are in reality disguised favorite democratic programs.


4. Political: We believe in the precepts of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence and believe in an original and plain interpretation of the intent of their words.

We believe that whoever rules least, rules best. Small but effective governance over the essentials for our security is the right way. The 1,177 existing government boards, committees, agencies, foundations, and commissions must be significantly reduced, along with a simplification and synthesis of rules and regulations that have proliferated to a ridiculous extent. It is also apparent that federal government may be forced to grow to some extent in some areas because of the growth of our population, but it should be held to a workable percentage of the population.
This tenet extends to the resurgence of states’ rights as is called for in our Constitution as opposed to ever-increasing federal government dominance. We believe in subsidiarity: that is, placing decisions at the lowest level of governance possible.

We believe that experimentation with new government structures, institutions, and customs must be severely constrained, since such experimentation with what has been successful and traditional for over 230 years may ultimately redound to our detriment due to unforeseen negative consequences for our freedoms. There is a well-proven path for changes to our Constitution; any other path must be stopped---in particular, legislation from the bench.

This tenet applies also to the arena of international government, where we must not allow our sovereignty to be c*********d by the UN or any other organization. Today, too many of the nations of the world are far too hostile and amoral or immoral to permit real democratic worldwide governance. However, it is apparent that we must assume a positive and proactive role in foreign relations in concert with other truly democratic nations.

We believe that any person or group, any religion, or even nation that vows to o*******w our government or to harm our people has cast themselves out from our civil society and the protection of its laws, as well as the protection of accepted international treaties. The nations of Islam are definite candidates for such action. We must therefore do what is necessary against these enemies of the state to ensure our nation from harm. America comes first. There can be peace through strength and resolve.

5. Cultural: We believe that government must be color, race, and origin blind, and must ensure equal opportunity for all, while definitively rejecting the concept of equal outcomes for all as being an anathema to democracy. This extends to e******y of treatment of all citizens and not to special treatment of some minorities.

We believe in assimilation of immigrants, for example, and we believe that English must be the official language of the nation. We also believe that our multicultural society must be urged, even guided, in the direction of a composite, single American Culture over time, and that protected cultural diversity for its own sake is d******e and dangerous tribalism. However, private observance of a culture that breaks no laws is always acceptable.

6. Law and Order: We have a society that is governed by laws and not men. The basis for our laws is derived from the theory of natural law, including natural rights, and natural duties, and the main tenets of natural law have been embedded in the Declaration of Independence and in the Constitution by our founding fathers. (An outline of natural law, rights and duties is given in the Appendix. A summary of these derivative laws, rights, and duties is given in the book “The 5,000 Year Leap” by W. Cleon Skousen.)

7. Pivotal Issues: This order concerns many of the pivotal issues that have arisen in our society over the past several decades. We have seen the use of polarization in society to further the political objectives of a few, and the use of demonization along the lines of Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals for political dominance. This sort of pestilence must be halted.

To make matters worse, we have witnessed the many lies and false statements of intent of some in politics that deliberately fools the public at large as to the real intent of their Administration. It is also apparent that despite the promises of Obama, which leads to hidden malpractices, stonewalling, and lack of the public’s ability to set things right by v****g these people out of office and replacing them with honest and able people.

8. Military Readiness: We believe that the principal duty of government is to provide the security and defense of our nation against all forms of aggression coming from either within or without our sovereign borders. To preserve and protect is the motto. This includes the security of our borders from illegal entry, and the deportation of illegal entrants once found.

To this end, we must have a strong military and a strong internal police force that is given this mission covering land, sea, air and space. We must also recognize the threats we face from fanatics of many types, whether in or out of the country, and be prepared to deal with them effectively wherever necessary, even if it means preemptive action on our part. We believe in the concept of just war.

9. Foreign Affairs: The first consideration is our treaty membership in the United Nations. For all of the good the UN accomplishes, it has too many flaws to become the model, if not the actual organization, for a world centralized government with the powers of law-making, taxation and of wielding its own military force. There are far too many members, almost a majority, that are morally corrupt, intellectually inept or hostile to the US. Thus, we do not need to foster this organization and should not support morally corrupt and biased sects within the UN. We must retain our membership, especially because of the Security Council and other humanity supporting sub-organizations, but we must reject any attempts to promote the UN, or any other g*******t idea, to true governing status. We must retain our sovereignty at all costs.
Let us reaffirm our beliefs br br We Conserv... (show quote)

I think it's fine to want to re-affirm your belief system but you conservatives are pre-set in everything you believe and anything that doesn't validate your beliefs you regard as false or f**e news. So you can't re-affirm a belief system when anything that doesn't affirm is a lie. There is a world of t***h out there that you conservative reject because it isn't told to you by your peers or bonified conservatives whose values you don't challenge. So you reject it as f**e news without ever actually knowing what it was.

The irony of all this is that we have an e******n that you are convinced is being stolen, and you are right, only the attempt to steal it is being made by you.

So I commend you in your desire to re-affirm your belief system but the key to any belief system is not an affirmation but to confirm...that something you believe, is actually true. But without a belief system that is based on t***h, everything that you stand for can be undermined and you never know if it is false or if it is true...

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Nov 30, 2020 18:06:37   #
elledee
 
most conservatives and most people know basement bribem and h****r as well as there family are totally corrupt and creepy's empty public resume of 47 years makes him the obvious choice of only the totally deceived or total i***t....not conspiracy, not propaganda .....FACTS!!!!!

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Nov 30, 2020 18:19:02   #
American Vet
 
PeterS wrote:
I think it's fine to want to re-affirm your belief system but you conservatives are pre-set in everything you believe and anything that doesn't validate your beliefs you regard as false or f**e news.


Of course, the lefties never do that?????

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Nov 30, 2020 18:20:17   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
roy wrote:
But most conseratives don't believe in your post they believe in conspiracy theories, and proaganda.
How about you, roy?
Do you believe in God? In the infinite value of life, its preservation and its protection?

Do you believe in self-reliance and individual responsibility?

Do you believe our freedoms and liberties depend upon full protection by the government of our inalienable rights to private property-- land, material and intellectual? (James Madison: Property)

Do you believe our children must have a full and complete American education, devoid of negative bias and cant, and that well-formed curricula must be presented to them in the depth and breadth that they deserve?

Do you believe that citizens should respect and obey the law and avail themselves of standard procedures for redressing grievances?

Do you believe all citizens should be truly patriotic and our Constitution and the institutions that it prescribes?
Do you believe in free market capitalism?

Do you believe in caring for our environment in a responsible and economic manner?

Do you believe in fair and moderate taxation and in fiscal responsibility and balanced budgets?

Do you believe in in the precepts of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence and believe in an original and plain interpretation of the intent of their words?

Do you believe that any person or group, any religion, or even nation that vows to o*******w our government or to harm our people has cast themselves out from our civil society and the protection of its laws?

Do you believe in a society that is governed by laws and not men?

Do you believe the principal duty of government is to provide the security and defense of our nation against all forms of aggression coming from either within or without our sovereign borders?

Do you believe America must have a strong military and a strong internal police force that is given this mission covering land, sea, air and space?

Do you believe the UN is corrupt?

What do you believe in, roy?

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Nov 30, 2020 18:31:27   #
Seth
 
manning5 wrote:
Let us reaffirm our beliefs

We Conservatives must reaffirm our beliefs and our programs for the future. Realistic self-examination is never a pleasant act, but it is necessary to be able to proceed with the faith and confidence in our cause.

So what are our beliefs? Within Conservatism I see nine orders of business to explain: spiritual, social, economic, political, cultural, law and order, military, foreign affairs and pivotal Issues. Conservatives blend each of these orders into their belief system. I will give my short version of these beliefs here, which will need further clarification and amplification to bring out each of the orders more fully. Within each order we must apply the following conservative factors to the appropriate degree: faith, realism, skepticism, federalism, evolutionism, and capitalism. Here is my listing:

1. Spiritual: We believe in God and have faith in the essence of His Word in the Bible as interpreted by Biblical scholars and men of the cloth. We follow its logical and moral precepts as best we can, especially the Golden Rule. We know that man is capable of great good, but we also know that he is capable of great evil. This fact has not changed significantly in thousands of years.

We believe in the infinite value of life, its preservation and its protection. We also believe in the sanctity of traditional marriage. We further believe that the movement to greater secularism in the nation is wrong, and it must be defeated or at least minimized. We believe in the Protestant work ethic and in p***e in our workmanship.

We also believe that men of good character and moral strength, although not believers in God, can be rightly in the fold of Conservatism if they strongly support the tenets below.

2. Social: We believe in self-reliance and individual responsibility and not government handouts at every hint of a “need” or entitlement. Government must not be the provider that everyone looks to in all cases. However, there must also be both government welfare and private charity to care for those who cannot care for themselves, together with disaster relief needs.

Our freedoms and liberties depend upon full protection by the government of our inalienable rights to private property-- land, material and intellectual. Government takings must be minimized.

We believe that our children must have a full and complete American education, devoid of negative bias and cant, and that well-formed curricula must be presented to them in the depth and breadth that they deserve. Further, this direction must be carried forward through higher education as well. We abhor the idea of our children being brainwashed by teachers and professors force-feeding a liberal ideology to our children and young adults. These educator types should be either fired or relegated to non-contact with students.

Our concept of a civil society demands that citizens respect and obey the law and avail themselves of standard procedures for redressing grievances. We believe that good citizenship also demands that we aid the poor and indigent, that we are a good neighbor, that we maintain a civil tongue, that we are persons of integrity and good will, and that we respect the religions of others. Moreover, we expect all citizens to be truly patriotic and to support our Constitution and the institutions that it prescribes.


3. Economic: We believe in tempering our mixed economy with greater freedoms as we go forward, since the operation of a free market is proven best for our economy. It is necessary, however, to have some minimal regulation to thwart the ever-present human vices of greed and avarice.

We believe in caring for our environment in a responsible and economic manner, but not in rushing to erect some fantastic approach to mitigate what has been termed G****l W*****g or C*****e C****e. We believe that proper scientific investigations must be completed in a timely manner by objective scientists, and properly peer reviewed, before spending billions of our taxpayer dollars for a chimera. That the current fantasy approach is not accepted science has been demonstrated by over 30,000 scientists, doctors and competent academics around the world signing up for dissent.

We believe in fair and moderate taxation that every citizen must participate in as a percentage of their purchases or consumption, not income. A Flat or Fair Tax is the right approach, replacing all other taxes. The idea of progressive taxation and releasing most citizens from their tax obligations, largely to redistribute wealth, is both undemocratic and toxic to our economy. We must squash the politics of envy.

We believe in fiscal responsibility and balanced budgets, which is not easily done now, but we must begin to regain control of our financial house immediately. We must disabuse Congress and the President of the notion that money collected from the taxpayer is their money to spend as they see fit, such as in earmarks, pork, special entitlements or "stimulus" that are in reality disguised favorite democratic programs.


4. Political: We believe in the precepts of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence and believe in an original and plain interpretation of the intent of their words.

We believe that whoever rules least, rules best. Small but effective governance over the essentials for our security is the right way. The 1,177 existing government boards, committees, agencies, foundations, and commissions must be significantly reduced, along with a simplification and synthesis of rules and regulations that have proliferated to a ridiculous extent. It is also apparent that federal government may be forced to grow to some extent in some areas because of the growth of our population, but it should be held to a workable percentage of the population.
This tenet extends to the resurgence of states’ rights as is called for in our Constitution as opposed to ever-increasing federal government dominance. We believe in subsidiarity: that is, placing decisions at the lowest level of governance possible.

We believe that experimentation with new government structures, institutions, and customs must be severely constrained, since such experimentation with what has been successful and traditional for over 230 years may ultimately redound to our detriment due to unforeseen negative consequences for our freedoms. There is a well-proven path for changes to our Constitution; any other path must be stopped---in particular, legislation from the bench.

This tenet applies also to the arena of international government, where we must not allow our sovereignty to be c*********d by the UN or any other organization. Today, too many of the nations of the world are far too hostile and amoral or immoral to permit real democratic worldwide governance. However, it is apparent that we must assume a positive and proactive role in foreign relations in concert with other truly democratic nations.

We believe that any person or group, any religion, or even nation that vows to o*******w our government or to harm our people has cast themselves out from our civil society and the protection of its laws, as well as the protection of accepted international treaties. The nations of Islam are definite candidates for such action. We must therefore do what is necessary against these enemies of the state to ensure our nation from harm. America comes first. There can be peace through strength and resolve.

5. Cultural: We believe that government must be color, race, and origin blind, and must ensure equal opportunity for all, while definitively rejecting the concept of equal outcomes for all as being an anathema to democracy. This extends to e******y of treatment of all citizens and not to special treatment of some minorities.

We believe in assimilation of immigrants, for example, and we believe that English must be the official language of the nation. We also believe that our multicultural society must be urged, even guided, in the direction of a composite, single American Culture over time, and that protected cultural diversity for its own sake is d******e and dangerous tribalism. However, private observance of a culture that breaks no laws is always acceptable.

6. Law and Order: We have a society that is governed by laws and not men. The basis for our laws is derived from the theory of natural law, including natural rights, and natural duties, and the main tenets of natural law have been embedded in the Declaration of Independence and in the Constitution by our founding fathers. (An outline of natural law, rights and duties is given in the Appendix. A summary of these derivative laws, rights, and duties is given in the book “The 5,000 Year Leap” by W. Cleon Skousen.)

7. Pivotal Issues: This order concerns many of the pivotal issues that have arisen in our society over the past several decades. We have seen the use of polarization in society to further the political objectives of a few, and the use of demonization along the lines of Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals for political dominance. This sort of pestilence must be halted.

To make matters worse, we have witnessed the many lies and false statements of intent of some in politics that deliberately fools the public at large as to the real intent of their Administration. It is also apparent that despite the promises of Obama, which leads to hidden malpractices, stonewalling, and lack of the public’s ability to set things right by v****g these people out of office and replacing them with honest and able people.

8. Military Readiness: We believe that the principal duty of government is to provide the security and defense of our nation against all forms of aggression coming from either within or without our sovereign borders. To preserve and protect is the motto. This includes the security of our borders from illegal entry, and the deportation of illegal entrants once found.

To this end, we must have a strong military and a strong internal police force that is given this mission covering land, sea, air and space. We must also recognize the threats we face from fanatics of many types, whether in or out of the country, and be prepared to deal with them effectively wherever necessary, even if it means preemptive action on our part. We believe in the concept of just war.

9. Foreign Affairs: The first consideration is our treaty membership in the United Nations. For all of the good the UN accomplishes, it has too many flaws to become the model, if not the actual organization, for a world centralized government with the powers of law-making, taxation and of wielding its own military force. There are far too many members, almost a majority, that are morally corrupt, intellectually inept or hostile to the US. Thus, we do not need to foster this organization and should not support morally corrupt and biased sects within the UN. We must retain our membership, especially because of the Security Council and other humanity supporting sub-organizations, but we must reject any attempts to promote the UN, or any other g*******t idea, to true governing status. We must retain our sovereignty at all costs.
Let us reaffirm our beliefs br br We Conserv... (show quote)


Spot on!

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Nov 30, 2020 18:35:18   #
Seth
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
How about you, roy?
Do you believe in God? In the infinite value of life, its preservation and its protection?

Do you believe in self-reliance and individual responsibility?

Do you believe our freedoms and liberties depend upon full protection by the government of our inalienable rights to private property-- land, material and intellectual? (James Madison: Property)

Do you believe our children must have a full and complete American education, devoid of negative bias and cant, and that well-formed curricula must be presented to them in the depth and breadth that they deserve?

Do you believe that citizens should respect and obey the law and avail themselves of standard procedures for redressing grievances?

Do you believe all citizens should be truly patriotic and our Constitution and the institutions that it prescribes?
Do you believe in free market capitalism?

Do you believe in caring for our environment in a responsible and economic manner?

Do you believe in fair and moderate taxation and in fiscal responsibility and balanced budgets?

Do you believe in in the precepts of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence and believe in an original and plain interpretation of the intent of their words?

Do you believe that any person or group, any religion, or even nation that vows to o*******w our government or to harm our people has cast themselves out from our civil society and the protection of its laws?

Do you believe in a society that is governed by laws and not men?

Do you believe the principal duty of government is to provide the security and defense of our nation against all forms of aggression coming from either within or without our sovereign borders?

Do you believe America must have a strong military and a strong internal police force that is given this mission covering land, sea, air and space?

Do you believe the UN is corrupt?

What do you believe in, roy?
How about you, roy? br Do you believe in God? In ... (show quote)


You've probably caused him to cram himself into a corner of the room, curl up in a fetal position and start whimpering in horror as all his l*****t nightmares dance before his eyes.

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Nov 30, 2020 18:41:14   #
PeterS
 
American Vet wrote:
Of course, the lefties never do that?????

I don't think we do to the extent that you conservative do. First off, we don't have the demagogues that you do. I live in Texas and my in-laws are conservative and TV news is exclusively Fox and in their car, it's their local conservative radio where Rush or those who emulate him, preach their rhetoric almost 24/7. We liberals have MSNBC and CNN but broadcast news is far more mainstream and designed to appeal to anyone who listens. And we have NO radio stations where liberal rhetoric is preached 24/7. It was tried but radio tends to appeal to older listeners. Conservative radio's listeners are 67 and older. Youngers liberals watch TV and don't find the radio format attractive.

Because of that, we lack the demagogues to spread the propaganda that conservatives have. Less propaganda allows us to think more for ourselves. That's all it is. You conservatives look for demagogues to tell you what to think. We liberals don't. End of story...

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Nov 30, 2020 18:43:34   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
I think it's fine to want to re-affirm your belief system but you conservatives are pre-set in everything you believe and anything that doesn't validate your beliefs you regard as false or f**e news. So you can't re-affirm a belief system when anything that doesn't affirm is a lie. There is a world of t***h out there that you conservative reject because it isn't told to you by your peers or bonified conservatives whose values you don't challenge. So you reject it as f**e news without ever actually knowing what it was.

The irony of all this is that we have an e******n that you are convinced is being stolen, and you are right, only the attempt to steal it is being made by you.

So I commend you in your desire to re-affirm your belief system but the key to any belief system is not an affirmation but to confirm...that something you believe, is actually true. But without a belief system that is based on t***h, everything that you stand for can be undermined and you never know if it is false or if it is true...
I think it's fine to want to re-affirm your belief... (show quote)
The word games you play with something about which you know nothing is pathological.

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Nov 30, 2020 19:42:11   #
American Vet
 
PeterS wrote:
I don't think we do to the extent that you conservative do.


Of course you don’t.

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Nov 30, 2020 20:22:41   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
PeterS wrote:
I think it's fine to want to re-affirm your belief system but you conservatives are pre-set in everything you believe and anything that doesn't validate your beliefs you regard as false or f**e news. So you can't re-affirm a belief system when anything that doesn't affirm is a lie. There is a world of t***h out there that you conservative reject because it isn't told to you by your peers or bonified conservatives whose values you don't challenge. So you reject it as f**e news without ever actually knowing what it was.

The irony of all this is that we have an e******n that you are convinced is being stolen, and you are right, only the attempt to steal it is being made by you.

So I commend you in your desire to re-affirm your belief system but the key to any belief system is not an affirmation but to confirm...that something you believe, is actually true. But without a belief system that is based on t***h, everything that you stand for can be undermined and you never know if it is false or if it is true...
I think it's fine to want to re-affirm your belief... (show quote)


I'm not set in my beliefs.

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Nov 30, 2020 20:30:22   #
ImLogicallyRight
 
manning5 wrote:
Let us reaffirm our beliefs

We Conservatives must reaffirm our beliefs and our programs for the future. Realistic self-examination is never a pleasant act, but it is necessary to be able to proceed with the faith and confidence in our cause.

So what are our beliefs? Within Conservatism I see nine orders of business to explain: spiritual, social, economic, political, cultural, law and order, military, foreign affairs and pivotal Issues. Conservatives blend each of these orders into their belief system. I will give my short version of these beliefs here, which will need further clarification and amplification to bring out each of the orders more fully. Within each order we must apply the following conservative factors to the appropriate degree: faith, realism, skepticism, federalism, evolutionism, and capitalism. Here is my listing:

1. Spiritual: We believe in God and have faith in the essence of His Word in the Bible as interpreted by Biblical scholars and men of the cloth. We follow its logical and moral precepts as best we can, especially the Golden Rule. We know that man is capable of great good, but we also know that he is capable of great evil. This fact has not changed significantly in thousands of years.

We believe in the infinite value of life, its preservation and its protection. We also believe in the sanctity of traditional marriage. We further believe that the movement to greater secularism in the nation is wrong, and it must be defeated or at least minimized. We believe in the Protestant work ethic and in p***e in our workmanship.

We also believe that men of good character and moral strength, although not believers in God, can be rightly in the fold of Conservatism if they strongly support the tenets below.

2. Social: We believe in self-reliance and individual responsibility and not government handouts at every hint of a “need” or entitlement. Government must not be the provider that everyone looks to in all cases. However, there must also be both government welfare and private charity to care for those who cannot care for themselves, together with disaster relief needs.

Our freedoms and liberties depend upon full protection by the government of our inalienable rights to private property-- land, material and intellectual. Government takings must be minimized.

We believe that our children must have a full and complete American education, devoid of negative bias and cant, and that well-formed curricula must be presented to them in the depth and breadth that they deserve. Further, this direction must be carried forward through higher education as well. We abhor the idea of our children being brainwashed by teachers and professors force-feeding a liberal ideology to our children and young adults. These educator types should be either fired or relegated to non-contact with students.

Our concept of a civil society demands that citizens respect and obey the law and avail themselves of standard procedures for redressing grievances. We believe that good citizenship also demands that we aid the poor and indigent, that we are a good neighbor, that we maintain a civil tongue, that we are persons of integrity and good will, and that we respect the religions of others. Moreover, we expect all citizens to be truly patriotic and to support our Constitution and the institutions that it prescribes.


3. Economic: We believe in tempering our mixed economy with greater freedoms as we go forward, since the operation of a free market is proven best for our economy. It is necessary, however, to have some minimal regulation to thwart the ever-present human vices of greed and avarice.

We believe in caring for our environment in a responsible and economic manner, but not in rushing to erect some fantastic approach to mitigate what has been termed G****l W*****g or C*****e C****e. We believe that proper scientific investigations must be completed in a timely manner by objective scientists, and properly peer reviewed, before spending billions of our taxpayer dollars for a chimera. That the current fantasy approach is not accepted science has been demonstrated by over 30,000 scientists, doctors and competent academics around the world signing up for dissent.

We believe in fair and moderate taxation that every citizen must participate in as a percentage of their purchases or consumption, not income. A Flat or Fair Tax is the right approach, replacing all other taxes. The idea of progressive taxation and releasing most citizens from their tax obligations, largely to redistribute wealth, is both undemocratic and toxic to our economy. We must squash the politics of envy.

We believe in fiscal responsibility and balanced budgets, which is not easily done now, but we must begin to regain control of our financial house immediately. We must disabuse Congress and the President of the notion that money collected from the taxpayer is their money to spend as they see fit, such as in earmarks, pork, special entitlements or "stimulus" that are in reality disguised favorite democratic programs.


4. Political: We believe in the precepts of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence and believe in an original and plain interpretation of the intent of their words.

We believe that whoever rules least, rules best. Small but effective governance over the essentials for our security is the right way. The 1,177 existing government boards, committees, agencies, foundations, and commissions must be significantly reduced, along with a simplification and synthesis of rules and regulations that have proliferated to a ridiculous extent. It is also apparent that federal government may be forced to grow to some extent in some areas because of the growth of our population, but it should be held to a workable percentage of the population.
This tenet extends to the resurgence of states’ rights as is called for in our Constitution as opposed to ever-increasing federal government dominance. We believe in subsidiarity: that is, placing decisions at the lowest level of governance possible.

We believe that experimentation with new government structures, institutions, and customs must be severely constrained, since such experimentation with what has been successful and traditional for over 230 years may ultimately redound to our detriment due to unforeseen negative consequences for our freedoms. There is a well-proven path for changes to our Constitution; any other path must be stopped---in particular, legislation from the bench.

This tenet applies also to the arena of international government, where we must not allow our sovereignty to be c*********d by the UN or any other organization. Today, too many of the nations of the world are far too hostile and amoral or immoral to permit real democratic worldwide governance. However, it is apparent that we must assume a positive and proactive role in foreign relations in concert with other truly democratic nations.

We believe that any person or group, any religion, or even nation that vows to o*******w our government or to harm our people has cast themselves out from our civil society and the protection of its laws, as well as the protection of accepted international treaties. The nations of Islam are definite candidates for such action. We must therefore do what is necessary against these enemies of the state to ensure our nation from harm. America comes first. There can be peace through strength and resolve.

5. Cultural: We believe that government must be color, race, and origin blind, and must ensure equal opportunity for all, while definitively rejecting the concept of equal outcomes for all as being an anathema to democracy. This extends to e******y of treatment of all citizens and not to special treatment of some minorities.

We believe in assimilation of immigrants, for example, and we believe that English must be the official language of the nation. We also believe that our multicultural society must be urged, even guided, in the direction of a composite, single American Culture over time, and that protected cultural diversity for its own sake is d******e and dangerous tribalism. However, private observance of a culture that breaks no laws is always acceptable.

6. Law and Order: We have a society that is governed by laws and not men. The basis for our laws is derived from the theory of natural law, including natural rights, and natural duties, and the main tenets of natural law have been embedded in the Declaration of Independence and in the Constitution by our founding fathers. (An outline of natural law, rights and duties is given in the Appendix. A summary of these derivative laws, rights, and duties is given in the book “The 5,000 Year Leap” by W. Cleon Skousen.)

7. Pivotal Issues: This order concerns many of the pivotal issues that have arisen in our society over the past several decades. We have seen the use of polarization in society to further the political objectives of a few, and the use of demonization along the lines of Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals for political dominance. This sort of pestilence must be halted.

To make matters worse, we have witnessed the many lies and false statements of intent of some in politics that deliberately fools the public at large as to the real intent of their Administration. It is also apparent that despite the promises of Obama, which leads to hidden malpractices, stonewalling, and lack of the public’s ability to set things right by v****g these people out of office and replacing them with honest and able people.

8. Military Readiness: We believe that the principal duty of government is to provide the security and defense of our nation against all forms of aggression coming from either within or without our sovereign borders. To preserve and protect is the motto. This includes the security of our borders from illegal entry, and the deportation of illegal entrants once found.

To this end, we must have a strong military and a strong internal police force that is given this mission covering land, sea, air and space. We must also recognize the threats we face from fanatics of many types, whether in or out of the country, and be prepared to deal with them effectively wherever necessary, even if it means preemptive action on our part. We believe in the concept of just war.

9. Foreign Affairs: The first consideration is our treaty membership in the United Nations. For all of the good the UN accomplishes, it has too many flaws to become the model, if not the actual organization, for a world centralized government with the powers of law-making, taxation and of wielding its own military force. There are far too many members, almost a majority, that are morally corrupt, intellectually inept or hostile to the US. Thus, we do not need to foster this organization and should not support morally corrupt and biased sects within the UN. We must retain our membership, especially because of the Security Council and other humanity supporting sub-organizations, but we must reject any attempts to promote the UN, or any other g*******t idea, to true governing status. We must retain our sovereignty at all costs.
Let us reaffirm our beliefs br br We Conserv... (show quote)


Well written. And as a conservative, I disagree with a few, very few points and that is good. We Conservatives make up our principals as a whole and not one individual. But that post is a good start. Thanks for posting.

LR

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Nov 30, 2020 20:32:21   #
ImLogicallyRight
 
roy wrote:
But most conseratives don't believe in your post they believe in conspiracy theories, and proaganda.


Since you aren't a Conservative, why don't you take your phony ideas of what we believe in, and write them out on a big log, and shove them were the sun don't shine. We will decide what we believe in.

LR

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Nov 30, 2020 20:48:55   #
Seth
 
ImLogicallyRight wrote:
Since you aren't a Conservative, why don't you take your phony ideas of what we believe in, and write them out on a big log, and shove them were the sun don't shine. We will decide what we believe in.

LR


It's an important part of the "liberal" credo that they tell others what to believe, and part of their Utopian egoism that others do believe what these bogus creatures decide we do.

Each believes he or she is much more significant than he or she actually is, and therefore, though they are in actuality inferior to the rest of us, think that they themselves are superior and in fact "know" more than the rest of us about everything.

However, it is rather difficult to take any of these specimens seriously when one knows that numerous males of the species liberalis wear nail polish and fight for the right to use girls' rest rooms.

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