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Nov 29, 2020 11:32:56   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
It is generally assumed by the Main Stream Media that:
1) C****-** is responsible for an increased death toll of over 272,000 Americans (current total)
https://www.worldometers.info/c****av***s/
2) C****-** has taken an inordinate death toll on older Americans

Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Hopkins, critically analyzed the effect of C****-** on U.S. deaths using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in her webinar titled “C****-** Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data. Here are her conclusions:

1. While you would expect that TOTAL overall deaths would spike as a result of the 272,000 reported C****-** deaths, total overall deaths have NOT SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED (see chart 1) above the overall growth trend due to increasing population as well as perhaps an increasingly aging population. (My comment) Consider that the higher initial spike that occurred in the March period may well have been caused by the policy actions mandated by state Governors involving long term care health facilities.

2. Heart Disease is the leading cause of death in this country. Why then during the peak of the p******c did the number of deaths due to Heart Disease sharply decline (along with the other major causes of death), and almost identically correspond to the number of deaths attributable to C****a V***s deaths?

3. Chart 3 shows the the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after C****-**. Since C****-** mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.

My final comment. As you would probably expect, any facts or news item that does not correspond to the MSM narrative gets censored and removed from consideration by the public. So to with this story (see Editors Comment). Just what "Dangerous innaccuracies that minimize the impact of the p******c" is NOT explained. Why?


Webainar Link: https://youtu.be/3TKJN61aflI
John Hopkins Newsletter
https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-c****-**" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20201126223119/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-c****-**









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Nov 29, 2020 11:50:32   #
SWMBO
 
ACP45 wrote:
It is generally assumed by the Main Stream Media that:
1) C****-** is responsible for an increased death toll of over 272,000 Americans (current total)
https://www.worldometers.info/c****av***s/
2) C****-** has taken an inordinate death toll on older Americans

Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Hopkins, critically analyzed the effect of C****-** on U.S. deaths using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in her webinar titled “C****-** Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data. Here are her conclusions:

1. While you would expect that TOTAL overall deaths would spike as a result of the 272,000 reported C****-** deaths, total overall deaths have NOT SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED (see chart 1) above the overall growth trend due to increasing population as well as perhaps an increasingly aging population. (My comment) Consider that the higher initial spike that occurred in the March period may well have been caused by the policy actions mandated by state Governors involving long term care health facilities.

2. Heart Disease is the leading cause of death in this country. Why then during the peak of the p******c did the number of deaths due to Heart Disease sharply decline (along with the other major causes of death), and almost identically correspond to the number of deaths attributable to C****a V***s deaths?

3. Chart 3 shows the the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after C****-**. Since C****-** mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.

My final comment. As you would probably expect, any facts or news item that does not correspond to the MSM narrative gets censored and removed from consideration by the public. So to with this story (see Editors Comment). Just what "Dangerous innaccuracies that minimize the impact of the p******c" is NOT explained. Why?


Webainar Link: https://youtu.be/3TKJN61aflI
John Hopkins Newsletter
https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-c****-**" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20201126223119/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-c****-**
It is generally assumed by the Main Stream Media t... (show quote)


Actually that makes a lot of sense. I would assume that almost all of the elderly who died of the Chinese flu had many other underlying factors which were going to k**l them at about the same time that the Chinese v***s hit them and just added to the speed of their death. I bet all you socialists are now thinking "oh how horrible, that young person h**es the old folks and is hoping that they all die soon. Relax, I am 78 years old, as is NPP, who had a stroke recently and is now home from the hospital and doing well. We both figure that when the Good Lord wants us, He will call us and we will willingly come. Maybe He is waiting and figuring out how many dogs are waiting at the rainbow bridge for us so we can cross together and trying to figure out how much room they will need.

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Nov 29, 2020 12:17:29   #
Auntie Dee
 
ACP45 wrote:
It is generally assumed by the Main Stream Media that:
1) C****-** is responsible for an increased death toll of over 272,000 Americans (current total)
https://www.worldometers.info/c****av***s/
2) C****-** has taken an inordinate death toll on older Americans

Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Hopkins, critically analyzed the effect of C****-** on U.S. deaths using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in her webinar titled “C****-** Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data. Here are her conclusions:

1. While you would expect that TOTAL overall deaths would spike as a result of the 272,000 reported C****-** deaths, total overall deaths have NOT SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED (see chart 1) above the overall growth trend due to increasing population as well as perhaps an increasingly aging population. (My comment) Consider that the higher initial spike that occurred in the March period may well have been caused by the policy actions mandated by state Governors involving long term care health facilities.

2. Heart Disease is the leading cause of death in this country. Why then during the peak of the p******c did the number of deaths due to Heart Disease sharply decline (along with the other major causes of death), and almost identically correspond to the number of deaths attributable to C****a V***s deaths?

3. Chart 3 shows the the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after C****-**. Since C****-** mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.

My final comment. As you would probably expect, any facts or news item that does not correspond to the MSM narrative gets censored and removed from consideration by the public. So to with this story (see Editors Comment). Just what "Dangerous innaccuracies that minimize the impact of the p******c" is NOT explained. Why?


Webainar Link: https://youtu.be/3TKJN61aflI
John Hopkins Newsletter
https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-c****-**" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20201126223119/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-c****-**
It is generally assumed by the Main Stream Media t... (show quote)


MUCH closer to the T***H than the figures published in MSM!! Just MORE PROPAGANDA to CONTROL THE MASSES and get us CONDITIONED for the C*******T CHINESE TAKEOVER OF THE USA by Biden & CO.

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Nov 29, 2020 12:21:36   #
moldyoldy
 
SWMBO wrote:
Actually that makes a lot of sense. I would assume that almost all of the elderly who died of the Chinese flu had many other underlying factors which were going to k**l them at about the same time that the Chinese v***s hit them and just added to the speed of their death. I bet all you socialists are now thinking "oh how horrible, that young person h**es the old folks and is hoping that they all die soon. Relax, I am 78 years old, as is NPP, who had a stroke recently and is now home from the hospital and doing well. We both figure that when the Good Lord wants us, He will call us and we will willingly come. Maybe He is waiting and figuring out how many dogs are waiting at the rainbow bridge for us so we can cross together and trying to figure out how much room they will need.
Actually that makes a lot of sense. I would assume... (show quote)


What makes sense to me is that people are not stressing themselves out at work or driving to work, spending more time at home. One cause of death canceling out another.

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Nov 29, 2020 12:33:48   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
moldyoldy wrote:
What makes sense to me is that people are not stressing themselves out at work or driving to work, spending more time at home. One cause of death canceling out another.


a lot of the confusion is the hospitals if your in the hospital and die of heart attack they put c***d down it pays more

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Nov 29, 2020 12:34:12   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
ACP45 wrote:
...
My final comment. As you would probably expect, any facts or news item that does not correspond to the MSM narrative gets censored and removed from consideration by the public. So to with this story (see Editors Comment). Just what "Dangerous innaccuracies that minimize the impact of the p******c" is NOT explained. Why?


Webainar Link: https://youtu.be/3TKJN61aflI
John Hopkins Newsletter
https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-c****-**" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20201126223119/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-c****-**
... br My final comment. As you would probably exp... (show quote)


Frustrating, isn't it? The verifiable facts of "minimal impact" of the p******c on lives is not to be used to hinder the amount of impact upon the taking away of our liberties in order to minimize an impact of the death toll that is artificially magnified in order to maximize the impact against our liberties. Its the same strategy they use against v***r f***d.

Such circular reasoning on the left makes my head spin. Dizziness is for children. I'm too old for it to be either novel or fun!

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Nov 29, 2020 12:35:17   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
moldyoldy wrote:
What makes sense to me is that people are not stressing themselves out at work or driving to work, spending more time at home. One cause of death canceling out another.


A lot of people are stressing out because they aren't allowed to work, losing their small businesses, or are in elderly care and are stressing (and committing suicide) because they aren't allowed to have visitors. Go figure.

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Nov 29, 2020 12:51:58   #
BBZ Loc: Long Island, NY
 
[quote=ACP45]It is generally assumed by the Main Stream Media that:
1) C****-** is responsible for an increased death toll of over 272,000 Americans (current total)
https://www.worldometers.info/c****av***s/
2) C****-** has taken an inordinate death toll on older Americans

The higher rate applies only to hospitalized Medicare patients, who make up about 41% of U.S. hospital patients. “It’s important to note that the money we receive for caring for C****-** patients covers only a small portion of the cost of caring for them,” said Nanette Bentley, spokeswoman for Bon Secours Mercy Health in Cincinnati. At Mercy’s hospitals, she said, the additional 20% has amounted to about $740,000 since the start of the p******c. The Mercy Health system generates about $9 billion a year in revenue nationwide.

No cases of intentional misidentification of C***D patients have been reported, and a C***D diagnosis requires documentation, such as a positive test. Falsifying those documents would be unethical and illegal.
“That scenario constitutes Medicare fraud,” said Guy Karrick, spokesman for St. Elizabeth Healthcare in Northern Kentucky. “I am very confident that practice is not happening at any Greater Cincinnati hospital.”

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Nov 29, 2020 12:59:42   #
Dwbill Loc: Sunvalley,NV
 
TommyRadd wrote:
A lot of people are stressing out because they aren't allowed to work, losing their small businesses, or are in elderly care and are stressing (and committing suicide) because they aren't allowed to have visitors. Go figure.

It sure makes sense to me I been trying to tell my friends the same and a lot of them still are so scared s**tless they tell me I am crazy and Stupid, wen it's really them that we are stupid !!!!!

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Nov 29, 2020 13:41:41   #
ExperienceCounts
 
[quote=BBZ]
ACP45 wrote:
It is generally assumed by the Main Stream Media that:
1) C****-** is responsible for an increased death toll of over 272,000 Americans (current total)
https://www.worldometers.info/c****av***s/
2) C****-** has taken an inordinate death toll on older Americans

The higher rate applies only to hospitalized Medicare patients, who make up about 41% of U.S. hospital patients. “It’s important to note that the money we receive for caring for C****-** patients covers only a small portion of the cost of caring for them,” said Nanette Bentley, spokeswoman for Bon Secours Mercy Health in Cincinnati. At Mercy’s hospitals, she said, the additional 20% has amounted to about $740,000 since the start of the p******c. The Mercy Health system generates about $9 billion a year in revenue nationwide.

No cases of intentional misidentification of C***D patients have been reported, and a C***D diagnosis requires documentation, such as a positive test. Falsifying those documents would be unethical and illegal.
“That scenario constitutes Medicare fraud,” said Guy Karrick, spokesman for St. Elizabeth Healthcare in Northern Kentucky. “I am very confident that practice is not happening at any Greater Cincinnati hospital.”
It is generally assumed by the Main Stream Media t... (show quote)


As far as the tests go, it has been reported that they are inaccurate--one guy took 4 the same day, 2 were positive and 2 were negative--go figure! Flip a coin? The numbers for false positives, at least in one link, were huge. Then I read an article somewhere that said the common cold would give a positive result on the C***d ** test. And no, I cannot provide the links; however, I do read and comprehend that which I read.

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Nov 29, 2020 13:42:36   #
debeda
 
ACP45 wrote:
It is generally assumed by the Main Stream Media that:
1) C****-** is responsible for an increased death toll of over 272,000 Americans (current total)
https://www.worldometers.info/c****av***s/
2) C****-** has taken an inordinate death toll on older Americans

Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Hopkins, critically analyzed the effect of C****-** on U.S. deaths using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in her webinar titled “C****-** Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data. Here are her conclusions:

1. While you would expect that TOTAL overall deaths would spike as a result of the 272,000 reported C****-** deaths, total overall deaths have NOT SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED (see chart 1) above the overall growth trend due to increasing population as well as perhaps an increasingly aging population. (My comment) Consider that the higher initial spike that occurred in the March period may well have been caused by the policy actions mandated by state Governors involving long term care health facilities.

2. Heart Disease is the leading cause of death in this country. Why then during the peak of the p******c did the number of deaths due to Heart Disease sharply decline (along with the other major causes of death), and almost identically correspond to the number of deaths attributable to C****a V***s deaths?

3. Chart 3 shows the the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after C****-**. Since C****-** mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.

My final comment. As you would probably expect, any facts or news item that does not correspond to the MSM narrative gets censored and removed from consideration by the public. So to with this story (see Editors Comment). Just what "Dangerous innaccuracies that minimize the impact of the p******c" is NOT explained. Why?


Webainar Link: https://youtu.be/3TKJN61aflI
John Hopkins Newsletter
https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-c****-**" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20201126223119/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-c****-**
It is generally assumed by the Main Stream Media t... (show quote)


I'm sorry, but what really strikes me is the BS doublespeak used in your last text box put out by them. Read it carefully, and realize that all it says is that it is dangerous to their narrative. I am soooooooooooooooooo s**k of this suppression of information to support propaganda.

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Nov 29, 2020 13:44:07   #
debeda
 
TommyRadd wrote:
Frustrating, isn't it? The verifiable facts of "minimal impact" of the p******c on lives is not to be used to hinder the amount of impact upon the taking away of our liberties in order to minimize an impact of the death toll that is artificially magnified in order to maximize the impact against our liberties. Its the same strategy they use against v***r f***d.

Such circular reasoning on the left makes my head spin. Dizziness is for children. I'm too old for it to be either novel or fun!
Frustrating, isn't it? The verifiable facts of &qu... (show quote)


AGREED

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Nov 29, 2020 13:45:55   #
debeda
 
[quote=BBZ]
ACP45 wrote:
It is generally assumed by the Main Stream Media that:
1) C****-** is responsible for an increased death toll of over 272,000 Americans (current total)
https://www.worldometers.info/c****av***s/
2) C****-** has taken an inordinate death toll on older Americans

The higher rate applies only to hospitalized Medicare patients, who make up about 41% of U.S. hospital patients. “It’s important to note that the money we receive for caring for C****-** patients covers only a small portion of the cost of caring for them,” said Nanette Bentley, spokeswoman for Bon Secours Mercy Health in Cincinnati. At Mercy’s hospitals, she said, the additional 20% has amounted to about $740,000 since the start of the p******c. The Mercy Health system generates about $9 billion a year in revenue nationwide.

No cases of intentional misidentification of C***D patients have been reported, and a C***D diagnosis requires documentation, such as a positive test. Falsifying those documents would be unethical and illegal.
“That scenario constitutes Medicare fraud,” said Guy Karrick, spokesman for St. Elizabeth Healthcare in Northern Kentucky. “I am very confident that practice is not happening at any Greater Cincinnati hospital.”
It is generally assumed by the Main Stream Media t... (show quote)


Uh huh. Cuz insurance fraud, particularly Medicare fraud, NEVER happens, right??

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Nov 29, 2020 13:46:02   #
moldyoldy
 
bggamers wrote:
a lot of the confusion is the hospitals if your in the hospital and die of heart attack they put c***d down it pays more


They only pay for extra PPE, not worth the paperwork.

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Nov 29, 2020 13:47:21   #
debeda
 
ExperienceCounts wrote:
As far as the tests go, it has been reported that they are inaccurate--one guy took 4 the same day, 2 were positive and 2 were negative--go figure! Flip a coin? The numbers for false positives, at least in one link, were huge. Then I read an article somewhere that said the common cold would give a positive result on the C***d ** test. And no, I cannot provide the links; however, I do read and comprehend that which I read.


Yes I read much the same. It was something about the level of breakdowns of the tests. People can easily find it if they care to look.

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