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Nov 21, 2020 07:34:58   #
SSDD
 
American Vet wrote:
LOL. Here you go again - unable to refute the content so you attack the source.


Since those sources are all known to put out dis-information, yeah, you bet I do. I don't bother with fake news sources, not worth my time.

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Nov 21, 2020 07:52:10   #
American Vet
 
SSDD wrote:
Since those sources are all known to put out dis-information, yeah, you bet I do. I don't bother with fake news sources, not worth my time.


And that is another typical leftist response when confronted with facts/data/comments they cannot refute: "it's not worth my time"

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Nov 21, 2020 08:01:35   #
SSDD
 
American Vet wrote:
And that is another typical leftist response when confronted with facts/data/comments they cannot refute: "it's not worth my time"


Ah, so filling up on lies and distortions IS worth my time? Yeah, I think not, try again.

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Nov 21, 2020 08:17:48   #
Big Dolly
 
permafrost wrote:
Seems it is far above your thinking capacity to understand the simple fact that Democrats are not socialists/communists... that is a reuse of long time GOP tactics going back at least to the time of the new deal.

with all the harping about leaving the country by you trump supporters I am surprised you think any rook is left in your belove Putin land..

So why do so many yearn to come to america?? as always, because with our tremendous natural resources, education, technology and infrastructure we have the greatest range of opportunities of nearly any country..

Even with the constant and successful transfer of wealth to the rich, accelerating by the writing of the 70s and the admin of the 80s, we as a country still offer a wonderful chance compared to much of the world..

How ever in your love of a totalitarian state, do feel free to leave at your convenience..

Do not let the door hit you in the butt..
Seems it is far above your thinking capacity to un... (show quote)


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Nov 21, 2020 08:22:55   #
American Vet
 
SSDD wrote:
Ah, so filling up on lies and distortions IS worth my time? Yeah, I think not, try again.


You haven't proven there are lies.

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Nov 21, 2020 08:26:07   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
American Vet wrote:
From money one has already paid in - or from other taxpayers.


"for the welfare of its citizens." Yeah socialist security.

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Nov 21, 2020 08:55:56   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Bad Bob wrote:
How do you get your SS check?


I paid for it.

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Nov 21, 2020 08:57:50   #
Mikeyavelli
 
SSDD wrote:
Really? And you got this information where? Don't bother answering that second question, I KNOW where you got that information, and very little if anything they EVER say is true.

But hey, let's go ahead and assume what you are saying IS true, Does that mean America has been laboring under socialized medicine since the 80's? America has CONSISTENTLY had the highest health care costs since we took the lead in the 1980's, care to explain how bad socialized medicine is now? Why haven't these countries that switched to socialized medicine caught up to out health care costs? Why aren't they closing the gap?

Check it out for yourself, below are some links to some articles.


Forbes is a financial and business magazine and tends to publish articles/stories with a very slight conservative lean or perspective.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2019/08/08/how-us-healthcare-spending-per-capita-compares-with-other-countries-infographic/ (Forbes was founded by Steve Forbes, Staunch republican and currently Editor in Chief at Forbes) (Beware the paywall)


Business Insider is a financial and business website

https://www.businessinsider.com/personal-finance/cost-of-healthcare-countries-ranked-2019-3

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/health-care-costs-by-country

https://www.statista.com/statistics/236541/per-capita-health-expenditure-by-country/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita

Total
Data table for: Health spending, Total / Government/compulsory / Voluntary, US dollars/capita, 2019 or latest available
Location
Latest
United States_______11,071.7 Trumplicans chant "We're #1!, We're #1!, We're #1!"
Switzerland__________7,732.4
Norway_____________6,646.7
Germany____________6,645.8
Austria______________5,851.1
Sweden_____________5,782.3
Netherlands__________5,765.1
Denmark ____________5,567.9
Luxembourg__________5,558.3
Belgium_____________5,428.0
Canada______________5,418.4
France_______________5,375.7
Ireland _____________5,275.5
Australia_____________5,187.4
Japan_______________4,822.8
Iceland______________4,811.4
United Kingdom_______4,653.1
Finland______________4,578.4
Malta_______________4,262.2
OECD - Average_______4,223.5
New Zealand_________4,204.0
Italy________________3,649.2
Spain_______________3,616.5
Czech Republic________3,427.9
Korea_______________3,384.2
Portugal_____________3,378.6
Slovenia_____________3,224.0
Israel_______________2,931.9
Cyprus______________2,790.3
Lithuania____________2,638.1
Estonia______________2,578.8
Greece______________2,383.6
Slovak Republic_______2,353.6
Poland______________2,229.6
Hungary_____________2,222.4
Chile________________2,159.4
Croatia______________2,007.9
Bulgaria______________1,996.4
Latvia________________1,972.6
Romania______________1,906.8
Russia________________1,707.4
Costa Rica_____________1,495.5
Turkey________________1,337.2
Colombia______________1,212.6
Mexico________________1,153.6
South Africa____________1,072.4
North Macedonia__________942.4

Government/compulsory
Data table for: Health spending, Total / Government/compulsory / Voluntary, US dollars/capita, 2019 or latest available
Location
Latest

United States___________9,386.5 Again they chant "We're #1!, We're #1!, We're #1!" Me: "You do know that's a bad thing here right?" Trumplican: "Shut up you commie"
Norway________________5,673.1
Germany_______________5,648.1
Switzerland_____________4,987.6
Sweden________________4,928.0
Netherlands_____________4,766.6
Luxembourg_____________4,697.0
Denmark_______________4,663.4
France_________________4,501.4
Austria_________________4,402.3
Belgium________________4,124.7
Japan__________________4,064.0
Iceland_________________3,988.4
Ireland_________________3,918.6
Canada_________________3,815.1
United Kingdom__________3,619.5
Finland_________________3,536.5
Australia________________3,495.2
New Zealand_____________3,343.4
Czech Republic___________2,856.2
Malta___________________2,770.7
Italy___________________2,705.7
Spain__________________2,559.6
Slovenia________________2,314.1
Portugal________________2,069.0
Korea__________________2,057.4
Estonia_________________1,916.4
Slovak Republic__________1,911.9
Israel__________________1,889.2
Lithuania_______________1,768.8
Croatia_________________1,666.6
Poland_________________1,568.1
Hungary________________1,542.3
Romania________________1,530.1
Greece_________________1,411.9
Chile___________________1,280.6
Cyprus_________________1,268.8
Bulgaria________________1,211.6
Latvia__________________1,179.5
Costa Rica______________1,104.1
Turkey_________________1,040.7
Russia_________________1,015.2
Colombia________________896.0
North Macedonia__________639.8
Mexico__________________583.0
South Africa______________458.8

Voluntary
Data table for: Health spending, Total / Government/compulsory / Voluntary, US dollars/capita, 2019 or latest available
Location 震_______________583.0
South Africa______________458.8

Voluntary
Data table for: Health spending, Total / Government/compulsory / Voluntary, US dollars/capita, 2019 or latest available
Location
Latest
Latest

Switzerland_____________2,744.8
Australia_______________1,692.2
United States___________1,685.3 Hey, hey, we AREN'T #1 here, AWESOME!
Canada________________1,603.3
Cyprus________________1,521.4
Malta_________________1,491.5
Austria________________1,448.7
Ireland________________1,357.0
Korea_________________1,326.8
Portugal_______________1,309.6
Belgium_______________1,303.3
Spain_________________1,056.9
Finland________________1,042.0
United Kingdom_________1,033.5
Netherlands______________998.5
Germany________________997.6
Israel___________________990.5
Norway_________________973.6
Greece__________________970.2
Italy____________________943.5
Slovenia_________________909.9
Denmark________________904.5
Chile___________________878.7
France_________________874.3
Lithuania_______________868.7
New Zealand____________860.6
Sweden________________854.3
Iceland________________823.0
Latvia_________________793.0
Bulgaria_______________784.9
Luxembourg____________782.7
Japan_________________758.8
Russia________________692.3
Hungary_______________680.2
Estonia________________662.4
Poland________________661.5
South Africa____________613.6
Czech Republic__________571.7
Mexico________________570.6
Slovak Republic_________441.8
Costa Rica_____________391.5
Romania______________376.7
Croatia_______________341.3
Colombia_____________316.6
North Macedonia_______302.6
Turkey_______________296.5

OECD (2020), Health spending (indicator). doi: 10.1787/8643de7e-en (Accessed on 21 November 2020)

https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm

Really? And you got this information where? Don't ... (show quote)


Shut up, you commie.

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Nov 21, 2020 08:59:54   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Government produces NOTHING. It's survival depends on what government takes.
Healthcare is not a government issue, neither is charity or care for the welfare of its citizens.


It is not the role of government to produce tangible goods nor to show a profit..

The role of government is to provide for the common good.

Health care is clearly part of that common good..also the welfare of the people..

As we have been shown, goods over people has been a disaster of historical importance..

Economy first , before people turned into the worse outcome in the world..

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Nov 21, 2020 09:03:40   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nonalien1 wrote:
So now you are openly advocating for Socialism in Amerika? I'm done with your posts. If you can't see the flaws in your "rationalization" your beyond comprehending an explanation. Have a safe and happy Thanksgiving.


Again, you did not read the points in the post..

Socialism as envisioned by the right wing is indeed not what americans want.. the real policies which the right wing is calling socialism is much different and needed for the continuation of a great country..

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Nov 21, 2020 09:08:30   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
John Meoff wrote:
And why don't you go to a CPUSA, Weather Underground or Black Lives Matter meeting or something you like?

Your response is precisely what I mean. When push comes to shove, you're just like the rest of the progressives. You paint those who disagree with you with that broad tarnishing brush.

Hitler & Mussolini were socialists. They used planks in The Manifesto to buy oft the industrialists.

Hitler sent a letter of admiration to FDR. FDR's WPA was Hitler's inspiration to build the Autobahn.

FYI permafrost, I'm a libertarian if you know what the difference is.
And why don't you go to a CPUSA, Weather Undergrou... (show quote)




Hitler was a champion of german industry..

Ike's american freeway was modeled after the autobahn..

We have a solid group of Libertarian in Minnesota.. A limited number of good ideas keep them from being anarchists..



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Nov 21, 2020 09:11:13   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
I paid for it.


Your money is long gone, now you are getting somebody else's money. Socialist

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Nov 21, 2020 09:21:16   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Bad Bob wrote:
Your money is long gone, now you are getting somebody else's money. Socialist


My forced investment in social security was a deal in which I had no decision.
I invested 3000 dollars in the stock market 55 years ago. I now have over a 2 million dollars in my portfolio.
Which one grew? If the government couldn't grow my investment over the years, I am not to blame.

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Nov 21, 2020 13:10:35   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
My forced investment in social security was a deal in which I had no decision.
I invested 3000 dollars in the stock market 55 years ago. I now have over a 2 million dollars in my portfolio.
Which one grew? If the government couldn't grow my investment over the years, I am not to blame.


What stocks were they?

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Nov 21, 2020 17:03:27   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Bad Bob wrote:
What stocks were they?


At first, bonds and blue chips, then tech, the dotcom era treated me well, now everything, ETFs, tech, health, tax free bonds, Dogs of the Dow, mutual funds, all balanced.

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