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Nov 19, 2020 14:07:50   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
TommyRadd wrote:
Bernie Sanders isn’t a socialist?
Alexandria Ocasio Cortez isn’t a socialist?

Your beloved Schiff couldn’t produce any Putin influence, so why do you keep acting like he did?

You are the one duped.



Joe Biden was the person elected to be president.. not Sanders and not Cortez..

YOu do not seem to have a clue what Joe has in his public plan.. did you ever even look for the Platform??

Just because the republicans did not make a platform for 2020, that does not mean the Democrats and Biden do not have one.. it is easy to find and very clear.. look, you can do it..

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Nov 19, 2020 14:09:52   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
American Vet wrote:
Why not give an example where socialism has worked?


Why??? I am not a fan of what you call socialism.. why do you not vgive an example where Facism has worked?? both bad.. that is why we are for neither system.

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Nov 19, 2020 14:12:10   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
You need to take another look at Canada and what’s happening there. Also, Germany is not a good example. The Democrats are not offering a “humane”life.
You need to watch something like Newsmax or OAN for a change.



What??? How about you posting some sort of fact/example rather then wishes..

so, tell me then... what is happening in Canada??? why is Germany not a good example.. of what??

why would anyone with the capacity to think watch Newsmax or OAN???

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Nov 19, 2020 14:12:47   #
Sonny Magoo Loc: If you ain't Dutch you ain't much.
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
Congratulations......Goober.

You've been completed dumbed down into assimilation.

Now put on your stupid mask and stay inside.


I'm hip

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Nov 19, 2020 17:15:34   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
permafrost wrote:
Joe Biden was the person elected to be president.. not Sanders and not Cortez..

YOu do not seem to have a clue what Joe has in his public plan.. did you ever even look for the Platform??

Just because the republicans did not make a platform for 2020, that does not mean the Democrats and Biden do not have one.. it is easy to find and very clear.. look, you can do it..



https://www.liberty.edu/champion/2020/10/opinion-joe-bidens-policies-reflect-socialist-thinking/

OPINION: JOE BIDEN’S POLICIES REFLECT SOCIALIST THINKING

To say that the 2020 presidential election will be the most contentious in recent memory is the understatement of the century.

President Donald Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden have relentlessly attacked each other on their campaign trails and in the presidential debates. Trump has accused Biden of being a “socialist,” while Biden has firmly denied these claims.

But we cannot take Trump’s word that Biden is a socialist, but we must look at Biden’s record on major political issues and see if Biden truly is a socialist.

Merriam-Webster defines socialism as a “political theory advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.” If Biden’s policies reflect this definition, he has socialist leanings.

Biden has been an adamant supporter of the vile act of abortion. Earlier this month, he stated that he would make Roe v. Wade “the law of the land,” which would guarantee that the practice of abortion would stay legal for years to come.

While supporting abortion does not automatically make someone a socialist, Biden has taken his stance on abortion to a level that reflects socialist thinking. Biden stated that he no longer supports the Hyde Amendment, which prevents the use of government funds to pay for abortion services except in certain circumstances. Through this statement, Biden has implied that he believes that the government should oversee providing what he calls “healthcare” to women seeking an abortion.

This is one of the core principles of socialism: “individuals rely on the state for everything from food to healthcare.” So not only does Biden believe that abortion is acceptable, he believes that the government should start paying for it, which is a basic principle of socialism.

Furthermore, Biden’s stance on Obamacare further reflects his desire for all demographics to rely on the government for their well-being. Biden’s plan for Black Americans includes expanding Obamacare to address the “systematic racism” within healthcare. Many agree that expanding Obamacare will assist in improving the health care situation for Black Americans.

Once again, Biden is showing his true colors with his stance on this position. If the government can simply provide more money to Black Americans, he pushes them into the cycle of relying on the government for their well-being and never truly escaping poverty. This school of thought gave Bernie Sanders trouble on his campaigns, because he said the answer to fixing racism was economic reform (which does not yield long term benefits).

Biden further upholds socialist thinking in other areas as well:

• The Green New Deal

• Racial Equity

• Economic Reform

In each of these areas, Biden relies on the government to fix the problem by redistribution of funds from one area to another.

Biden has stated that he is not a socialist several times and he has tried to mask his socialist leaning in his policies. This would likely mean he would lean toward the socialist school of thought on numerous other issues. After examining his stances on issues, it is safe to say that Biden is a socialist.

John Simmons is the Web Manager. Follow him on Twitter at @JohnSimmonsJr7.

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Nov 19, 2020 17:18:46   #
TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA
 
permafrost wrote:
Joe Biden was the person elected to be president.. not Sanders and not Cortez..

YOu do not seem to have a clue what Joe has in his public plan.. did you ever even look for the Platform??

Just because the republicans did not make a platform for 2020, that does not mean the Democrats and Biden do not have one.. it is easy to find and very clear.. look, you can do it..


JOE BIDEN DOUBLES DOWN ON HIS SOCIALIST AGENDA TO DESTROY CAPITALISM
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While everyone except the liberal media has been focused on Joe Biden’s declining mental state, the left has been stealthily grooming him as a useful idiot to usher in socialism. Biden signed a pact with commie Bernie Sanders to implement his whacko far-left policies if he’s elected and Crazy Joe himself has been hinting at it. Biden has already said he plans to replace our capitalist economy with a socialist one and now he’s doubling down that he intends to wipe out our system in favor of something communists will like better.

Earlier this month, Biden promised that if he is elected president he would “rewrite our economy.” Biden’s a kook but there’s no other way to take that statement other than he plans to take our current economy and change it into something else. We have a free-market capitalism system so he’s going to make that into something that isn’t free-market capitalism. Considering he’s sucking up to the progressive socialists of the democratic party, it’s not unreasonable to say that Biden is talking about “rewriting” our economy into a socialist one.
https://defconnews.com/2020/07/20/joe-biden-doubles-down-on-his-socialist-agenda-to-destroy-capitalism/

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Nov 19, 2020 17:28:04   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
TommyRadd wrote:
JOE BIDEN DOUBLES DOWN ON HIS SOCIALIST AGENDA TO DESTROY CAPITALISM
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While everyone except the liberal media has been focused on Joe Biden’s declining mental state, the left has been stealthily grooming him as a useful idiot to usher in socialism. Biden signed a pact with commie Bernie Sanders to implement his whacko far-left policies if he’s elected and Crazy Joe himself has been hinting at it. Biden has already said he plans to replace our capitalist economy with a socialist one and now he’s doubling down that he intends to wipe out our system in favor of something communists will like better.

Earlier this month, Biden promised that if he is elected president he would “rewrite our economy.” Biden’s a kook but there’s no other way to take that statement other than he plans to take our current economy and change it into something else. We have a free-market capitalism system so he’s going to make that into something that isn’t free-market capitalism. Considering he’s sucking up to the progressive socialists of the democratic party, it’s not unreasonable to say that Biden is talking about “rewriting” our economy into a socialist one.
https://defconnews.com/2020/07/20/joe-biden-doubles-down-on-his-socialist-agenda-to-destroy-capitalism/
JOE BIDEN DOUBLES DOWN ON HIS SOCIALIST AGENDA TO ... (show quote)



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Nov 20, 2020 12:53:36   #
Auntie Dee
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
Congratulations......Goober.

You've been completed dumbed down into assimilation.

Now put on your stupid mask and stay inside.



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Nov 20, 2020 12:57:45   #
Auntie Dee
 
TommyRadd wrote:
Let me try to oversimplify this for you:

Why aren’t you leftists flocking to countries that already offer all the free stuff you are bragging about?

Why have people traditionally flocked to the promise of American liberty? (And conversely why do people NOT tend to flock to socialist utopias?)

When you can understand the answers, maybe then you’ll understand that American exceptionalism isn’t about a nanny-state, and never was. Rather, it’s about believing that people who are given responsibility for their lives, including governing themselves, will lead to more productive, fuller lives than those who are promised a free ride.

This concept seems to totally escape you leftist socialists.
Let me try to oversimplify this for you: br br Wh... (show quote)


ABSOLUTELY!

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Nov 20, 2020 14:05:07   #
Auntie Dee
 
Milosia2 wrote:
How do you like your present “Socialism ” .
Like;
The Military,
Hospitals
Schools,
Fire Departments,
Police,
SBA,
Social Security,
Un Employment insurance ,
Looks like all the stuff you already need are mainly Socialist Entities.
How could you afford to live without them ?
Being charged separately by each of them.
How would a Capitalist Fire Department work for you.
Don’t pay your insurance premium and they let your house burn to the ground

Goober.
How do you like your present “Socialism ” . br Lik... (show quote)


Most of the things you list here are NOT SOCIALISTIC ENTITIES, in fact, they are NOT "Entities" at all!! They are BASIC SERVICES that GOVERNMENTS provide their citizens and are paid for by taxes paid to said Government!

Your little presentation of a Capitalist Fire Dept is plainly ignorant! Are you aware that many small communities in this country still have Volunteer Fire Departments?

There is an EXCELLENT ARTICLE entitled "Socialism” vs “Capitalism” is a False Dichotomy" at:

https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/8/16/17698602/socialism-capitalism-false-dichotomy-kevin-williamson-column-republican-ocasio-cortez

It might help you understand more about both of these forms of Governments!

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Nov 20, 2020 16:49:41   #
John Meoff
 
permafrost wrote:
Yes, from Quora..



Christian Winter
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Updated November 14
Senior Software Architect (2016–present)
How bad will it be if America becomes a socialist country?
How bad will it be if America becomes a socialist country?

About as bad as in Canada, New Zealand or Germany. Look, this “America is becoming socialist” is a boogeyman you were conditioned to react to with fear by Republican propaganda. Nothing Democrats advocate will turn America into the Soviet Union or Venezuela.

Even if Bernie Sanders could enact all of his policies it would only mean that everybody would have affordable health care, that everybody could get a higher education without having to go into debt, and that everybody could actually live a humane life on the wages from one job.

Yes, there would be higher taxes for the wealthy, but health care and education would be cheaper and a lot of people would earn much better. The only people who would pay significantly more would be the really rich, the people who have built a fortune on other people’s misery. And they can easily afford it without having to forego anything.

Now, tell me, what would be so bad about this “socialism”? What are you scared of? Don’t let Republicans cheat you out of a humane life. They are filling their pockets by exploiting you. I would not have that if I were you.
Yes, from Quora.. br br br br Christian Winter... (show quote)



Everywhere socialized medicine has been tried, total costs have gone through the roof.


I'm a physician. Socialize your own field & see if you like it.

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Nov 20, 2020 17:05:08   #
drlarrygino
 
permafrost wrote:
Yes, from Quora..



Christian Winter
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Updated November 14
Senior Software Architect (2016–present)
How bad will it be if America becomes a socialist country?
How bad will it be if America becomes a socialist country?

About as bad as in Canada, New Zealand or Germany. Look, this “America is becoming socialist” is a boogeyman you were conditioned to react to with fear by Republican propaganda. Nothing Democrats advocate will turn America into the Soviet Union or Venezuela.

Even if Bernie Sanders could enact all of his policies it would only mean that everybody would have affordable health care, that everybody could get a higher education without having to go into debt, and that everybody could actually live a humane life on the wages from one job.

Yes, there would be higher taxes for the wealthy, but health care and education would be cheaper and a lot of people would earn much better. The only people who would pay significantly more would be the really rich, the people who have built a fortune on other people’s misery. And they can easily afford it without having to forego anything.

Now, tell me, what would be so bad about this “socialism”? What are you scared of? Don’t let Republicans cheat you out of a humane life. They are filling their pockets by exploiting you. I would not have that if I were you.
Yes, from Quora.. br br br br Christian Winter... (show quote)


Americans do not want socialism and are set against it even though Bathhouse boy and his hope and change regressive demorat party are trying to push it onto the American people. In 2018 and equestrian distance horse named Barack Obama was euthanized. Maybe this is an omen of things to come for him shoving the despicable socialism on us.

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Nov 20, 2020 18:36:09   #
maureenthannon
 
perma, Look at history! The NAZI Party was a Socialist Party, the USSR was a Socialist Party, Cuba and Venezuela are Socialist Countries. Socialism has been tried in many countries and the result is the same! The government leaders live in luxury, everyone else in EXTREME POVERTY! It ends in Mass DEATHS!! I don't imagine that Joseph Stalin could have imagined that his system would ever take hold in the USA! George Orwell had some ideas about it, but nobody thought that it would actually happen here!! GOD HELP US!

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Nov 20, 2020 18:55:33   #
Mikeyavelli
 
permafrost wrote:
Yes, from Quora..



Christian Winter
·
Updated November 14
Senior Software Architect (2016–present)
How bad will it be if America becomes a socialist country?
How bad will it be if America becomes a socialist country?

About as bad as in Canada, New Zealand or Germany. Look, this “America is becoming socialist” is a boogeyman you were conditioned to react to with fear by Republican propaganda. Nothing Democrats advocate will turn America into the Soviet Union or Venezuela.

Even if Bernie Sanders could enact all of his policies it would only mean that everybody would have affordable health care, that everybody could get a higher education without having to go into debt, and that everybody could actually live a humane life on the wages from one job.

Yes, there would be higher taxes for the wealthy, but health care and education would be cheaper and a lot of people would earn much better. The only people who would pay significantly more would be the really rich, the people who have built a fortune on other people’s misery. And they can easily afford it without having to forego anything.

Now, tell me, what would be so bad about this “socialism”? What are you scared of? Don’t let Republicans cheat you out of a humane life. They are filling their pockets by exploiting you. I would not have that if I were you.
Yes, from Quora.. br br br br Christian Winter... (show quote)

I read this out loud and my neighbor's cat laughed.
Anyone arguing in praise of socialism is lazy, broke, jealous, or in on the take. Robbing Peter to pay Paul always gets the support of Paul.
Where has socialism worked? Norway, Sweden, Denmark where you have to piss down the hall, sht in a closet, and stand in line for a bath in a tub with cold water?

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Nov 20, 2020 19:17:08   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
John Meoff wrote:
Everywhere socialized medicine has been tried, total costs have gone through the roof.


I'm a physician. Socialize your own field & see if you like it.


That seems a foolish comment. the united states has the most expensive health care on the planet.

every country with a national health plan has cheaper health care..

I would say no way could we increase the cost no matter what action we take..

But it is clear that something must be done..

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